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Breaking Bad - Season 5 interim thread - the series concludes Summer 2013 on AMC

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oh my god barf. walt's reasoning isn't more honest or successful than jesse's. if anything jesse is being much more honest with himself in season 5 and 1/2 leading up to the end.

walt is delusional. jesse realizes what is happening around him with extreme clarity and doesn't want any part of it any more.
 
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ralexand

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CassSept said:
As I'm topping off season 3, I can say on a rewatch the series is quite a different beast. It certainly is far less engaging because, as MiKeD noted, tension is a major part of the show and knowing the outcome it's not as interesting. However, this allows one to focus on the other aspects of the show. Mainly the characters because holy hell they are even more impressive than before.

Every single character (well, besides Marie maybe) is so meticulously crafted and undergoes such a great, yet logical progression it's amazing. I think especially Walt, because it's obvious right from the pilot that he is a self-centered buffoon overcome by hubris. It's amazing really. He changes a lot throughout the series, but nothing seems to be random change for the sake of change, he generally is still the same character he was in the pilot. I love how at the very beginning the show's concept is summed up by a single line, "chemistry is a study of change", and 5 seasons later it still sticks to it.

I think the only episode I enjoyed on a rewatch just as much as I enjoyed it the first time is "Fly". Such an odd, genius episode. The way it's shot is brilliant too, and it's saying something when it comes to a show with such great cinematography.



It's understandable, really. At the time she didn't know they had access to basically, par devastating events, unlimited supply of events. For christ's sake, the operation cost what, 100 thousand dollars? That's a freaking lot for a family that is so cash-starved that Walt's wife who is in a very late stage of pregnancy decided to undertake a job and returned to it as soon after labor as she could.

On a rewatch it's even more mind-boggling how much Skyler is overhated.
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I don't get why anyone would like that fly episode. It has to be my least favorite of the serious being that nothing really happens. What am I missing?
 
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kaepernickehs said:
Those are fighting words. Waly wouldn't be shit without Pinkman.

Let's be real.

Motherfucker couldn't even conjure up a thought about where to cook..."yea let's do it at your house!"

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Pinkman served his purpose. He played his part in unlocking Heisenberg and all he had to do was stay cool and get rich. No one wants to hear his whiney sanctimony.
 
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kehs

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Nameless said:
Pinkman served his purpose. He played his part in unlocking Heisenberg and all he had to do was stay cool and get rich. No one wants to hear his whiney sanctimony.
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Pfft...all Walt does is whine and bitch but under a hat.

Oh no tuco took my drugs...oh no Gus won't let me do what I want ....oh no Pinkman is gonna replace me...oh no mike wants out....etc
 
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kaepernickehs said:
Pfft...all Walt does is whine and bitch but under a hat.

Oh no tuco took my drugs...oh no Gus won't let me do what I want ....oh no Pinkman is gonna replace me...oh no mike wants out....etc
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The one common denominator in each of those situations you listed is Walt did more than sulk & lament, he took care of business.
 
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i'm honestly to the point where i can't recognize what makes breaking bad different from other TV shows. like, the way it introduces characters seems more refined, and more meaningful over time when a character returns; but i'm not sure if that's because of the way the show is written, or because i like the show so much that i project something onto it that is undeserved. it doesn't really matter, because it's just so fucking great to watch either way.

the family guy clip is real.
 
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blame space said:
i'm honestly to the point where i can't recognize what makes breaking bad different from other TV shows. like, the way it introduces characters seems more refined, and more meaningful over time when a character returns; but i'm not sure if that's because of the way the show is written, or because i like the show so much that i project something onto it that is undeserved. it doesn't really matter, because it's just so fucking great to watch either way.

the family guy clip is real.
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For me it's how beautifully & creatively the show is shot and edited. It's almost like taking a ride. The writing is amazing, the acting is probably better, but the way in which Breaking Bad fills each scene with story, emotion, atmosphere, and tension visually is what sets it apart. I dare anyone to find a still that describes the state of a character better than the famous 'Crawl Space' image of Walt. Goosebumps without a word being said.
 
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So, I've been watching some of the inside Breaking Bad videos on youtube, and I recently watched the one they did for s05e07 Say My Name, and in it Gilligan says that part of the reason Walt kills Mike, is because he insults him.

Gilligan said that when you scratch the surface, Walt is a man with severe self esteem issues.

The thing that's confusing to me though, is that I always thought Walt was prideful person, and that people who are filled with pride usually think highly of themselves.

I always thought a proud person would be one with high self esteem.

I don't know, maybe my thinking is too simplistic.
 
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hey_monkey

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CassSept said:
Every single character (well, besides Marie maybe) is so meticulously crafted and undergoes such a great, yet logical progression it's amazing.
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Funny, I'm also wrapping up a rewatch and while I don't like Marie, I was thinking that she's actually really complex for a secondary character. Or, perhaps to be more specific, she's pretty straightforward, but she's still rounded. She has mega issues, but she truly loves her niece and nephew, and her husband. I find her much more interesting when I'm not clinging to the edge of my seat, biting my nails and wondering what the hell is going to happen next because oh god everyone might die at any second jesus the tension.
 
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hey_monkey

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Mr. Saturn said:
Gilligan said that when you scratch the surface, Walt is a man with severe self esteem issues.

The thing that's confusing to me though, is that I always thought Walt was prideful person, and that people who are filled with pride usually think highly of themselves.

I always thought a proud person would be one with high self esteem.

I don't know, maybe my thinking is too simplistic.
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Sure, he's prideful. But ending up an underpaid high school teacher while your old partner (and your old company) hits the stratosphere of success would fuck anyone up and create amazing self doubt, I think. Walt is very aggressive about proving how awesome he is because he's also afraid he might actually be a mega fuck-up, I think, though he might not realize it. I mean, all this started because he hadn't managed to provide for his family in the way he wanted and he was out of time, right? That cancer really kicked him while he was down.
 
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BannedEpisode said:
Jessie could have taken his money, bought his way into a good school and aced his way through a chem degree.

So sad.
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Jesse may be a great meth cook through simple repetition, but I doubt he'd suddenly be able to get a 4.0 in a Chemistry degree, especially since he flunked out of his high school classes. Being able to cook meth well doesn't mean someone would be able to ace Organic Chemistry or Calculus (not trying to be argumentative, just saying).
 
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hey_monkey said:
Sure, he's prideful. But ending up an underpaid high school teacher while your old partner (and your old company) hits the stratosphere of success would fuck anyone up and create amazing self doubt, I think. Walt is very aggressive about proving how awesome he is because he's also afraid he might actually be a mega fuck-up, I think, though he might not realize it. I mean, all this started because he hadn't managed to provide for his family in the way he wanted and he was out of time, right? That cancer really kicked him while he was down.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I think you basically hit the nail on the head, that actually makes a lot of sense.

It'll be interesting to see how Walt evolves in the last 8 episodes.
 
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Mr. Serious Business said:
Jesse may be a great meth cook through simple repetition, but I doubt he'd suddenly be able to get a 4.0 in a Chemistry degree, especially since he flunked out of his high school classes. Being able to cook meth well doesn't mean someone would be able to ace Organic Chemistry or Calculus (not trying to be argumentative, just saying).
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As a guy doing a chem degree right now, I doubt Jesse could get through it at all. He could probably barely do calculus of a single variable, bitch. Don't be addin more variables to that shit, yo.
 
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rekameohs

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hey_monkey said:
Funny, I'm also wrapping up a rewatch and while I don't like Marie, I was thinking that she's actually really complex for a secondary character. Or, perhaps to be more specific, she's pretty straightforward, but she's still rounded. She has mega issues, but she truly loves her niece and nephew, and her husband. I find her much more interesting when I'm not clinging to the edge of my seat, biting my nails and wondering what the hell is going to happen next because oh god everyone might die at any second jesus the tension.
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Her huge mouth is probably going to become a factor now that Hank knows.

Then she'll have to be silenced....!
 
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MasterBalls said:
Woah, not reading this thread. Just wanted to say I'm starting this on Netflix. Was put off for a long time, got
"I fucked Ted"
spoiled for me.
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Yeah, marathon through the episodes as fast as you can, so you can join us. Until then stay away. It really sucks that you got Walt fucking Ted spoiled.
 
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Courage said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77p-6-AqP4

With Gilligan saying that some of the stuff they were going to do in those last 2 "cut" episodes of season 1 will be in these final 8 episodes, I'm starting to fear that Jesse might get killed.
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I kinda hope so. It would be the most unexpected, yet fitting ending. Jesse dies, and Walt lives to walk away from the mess he started. His transformation complete. No happy endings.
 
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Murrah said:
Ugh

Ughughugh

I try not to be too negative on stuff like this, and admittedly I think Walking Dead is awful anyway, but whenever I keep AMC on and see Talking Dead I just want to punch this guy in the mouth
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Yeah, I'm not too keen on the choice, but at least he recognizes that his tone might be a problem:
Sepinwall said:
Chris Hardwick's back in Hall H to moderate this one. He talks up the show's 13 Emmy nominations this year and says "BB" will "go down in history as one of the best shows" in TV history. He plugs the final season premiere August 11 at 9 p.m. Unsurprisingly, AMC has picked him to host the "Taking Bad" after-show, notes how many people complain about his enthusiasm on "Talking Dead." "I understand that tonally the shows are different, so I will give 'Talking Bad' the respect that 'Breaking Bad' deserves," he says. He says the show will be "more of a retrospective of the series," since it didn't exist in earlier seasons.
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Cranston entered while wearing a Heisenberg mask:
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Gillian answers the "how Walt poisoned Brock" question:
A fan thinks the moment Walt turned into a full-fledged villain is when he poisoned Brock, and wants to know how Walt physically administered the poison. "That's an excellent question," Gilligan says. The writers would always tell the story of "the Evil Juice Box Man. The way we worked it out on our timeline is he had just enough time to do it, but it would've been very tricky indeed." They figured he crushed the poison up, stuck it in a juice box, and got into Brock's school. "That's our inner story, the writers and I, for how it happened. It would've been very tricky timing, but he was a motivated individual at that point."
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Murrah

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Cornballer said:
Yeah, I'm not too keen on the choice, but at least he recognizes that his tone might be a problem:
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Hm, I guess it makes sense that he's playing up to the zombie audience with Talking Dead. I still have doubts it'll be any good but I'm sure I'll reluctantly watch it since I won't have anything else to do on Sunday nights
 
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Murrah said:
Hm, I guess it makes sense that he's playing up to the zombie audience with Talking Dead. I still have doubts it'll be any good but I'm sure I'll reluctantly watch it since I won't have anything else to do on Sunday nights
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Like Steely, I have no interest in watching the show, but hopefully it'll end up being ok for those of you that want to check it out.
 
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Grinchy said:
As a guy doing a chem degree right now, I doubt Jesse could get through it at all. He could probably barely do calculus of a single variable, bitch. Don't be addin more variables to that shit, yo.
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Mr. Serious Business said:
Jesse may be a great meth cook through simple repetition, but I doubt he'd suddenly be able to get a 4.0 in a Chemistry degree, especially since he flunked out of his high school classes. Being able to cook meth well doesn't mean someone would be able to ace Organic Chemistry or Calculus (not trying to be argumentative, just saying).
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Yeah, probably he would definitely struggle with English 101.

Im pretty stupid and I got through my chem work okay. He would ace the lab practicals though!
 
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