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[maxcriden]

hold dat L Nocturnowl

JC pls

Save the brags for Kirby

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm definitely ready for this game (well, my wallet isn't ready with having just bought several other games, but I can manage). Reviews seem about what I expected so far, but I think we all know going in exactly what this will be (and it looks awesome).

But now the drought begins

What drought? Kirby is out in just two months (and it's not like January is ever really a hotbed for games). Then you have Yoshi, Splatoon and Mario Maker presumably coming out shortly after that, and Star Fox, Xenoblade, Zelda and more coming out sometime next year.

 

[JoeFu]

Game has more than 10 hours of gameplay supposedly and somehow 40 bucks is too much?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

But doesn't that make it so a review is only valid at release?

I don't see why. As Stumpokapow said, you can easily say, "This is a great game for X, Y and Z...but wait to buy it for a better value." Those are two connected statements that on the one hand is "forever" (saying the game is good/bad) and on the other hand is temporary (price value).

And on top of that, with the review saying its not worth the $40 right now, I think the onus is on the future consumer to read that and think about it. "Hm. They didn't think it was worth it at $40, but now it's $20. With all the other great reviews it got, it's probably really worth it now!"

 

[hamchan]

I also don't think price should ever really be a factor in a review. Prices change all the time. In two years this game could be $10 or it could be $200, but the scores reflect the $40 price now. Do all reviews inherently take the price into account, or just this one?

I have to disagree with your view, but I've always viewed reviews as a buyer's guide to anyone on the fence about a game. So price and value proposition should absolutely be a factor for those people.

Also I sure hope people actually read reviews to see why a game was given a certain score, and then use that to help their own decision. Obviously if you're reading a review two years after release you wouldn't use the price section to influence your buying decision...

 

[ViewtifulJC]

JC pls

Save the brags for Kirby

I'm spacing these out, like the Wii U release schedule

 

[Lambtron]

This has been the game I'm most excited for this year. Roll on Friday.

 

[Chuck]

Am I in the minority in that the price should never be part of a review? Focus on the game, I'll worry about the price.

price is the reason reviews exist

 

[Choomp]

Yeppers, expected this sort of reception. Can't wait for this game.

 

[Aostia]

wow, solid reviews all around. can't wait (sigh) for January 2nd..

 

[codhand]

Yeah despite so many people on Neogaf talking about how great they are I just can't stand them (especially their podcasts) since they always ignore Nintendo stuff and talk down about their games, even if they're just joking.

u should really read the review, they liked Toad's game quite a bit.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

One of my favorite recent critics, David Jenkins, chimed in with an 8/10 review from Metro. He's in UK, so maybe he imported it lolowl

 

[ironcreed]

Well, what do you know? It's another solid game for the Wii U. I never would have guessed.

Anyway, I'll be checking this out down the road for sure. As I love the levels in 3D World and instantly thought it should be made into it's own thing. But for now I need to spend some time with Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors and Smash.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I don't see why. As Stumpokapow said, you can easily say, "This is a great game for X, Y and Z...but wait to buy it for a better value." Those are two connected statements that on the one hand is "forever" (saying the game is good/bad) and on the other hand is temporary (price value).

I have to disagree with your view, but I've always viewed reviews as a buyer's guide to anyone on the fence about a game. So price and value proposition should absolutely be a factor for those people.

Also I sure hope people actually read reviews to see why a game was given a certain score, and then use that to help their own decision. Obviously if you're reading a review two years after release you wouldn't use the price section to influence your buying decision...

FOR THE RECORD

I personally do not just look at the score. I read the content and the score to me is meaningless because the important parts are what's written.

But I do think that with metacritic we do have a situation where the score is the "most important part" to a large, large portion of the audience. And in THAT respect, I question if price should factor into the score. Not the content of the review, but the score.

I'm also just thinking aloud. Felt weird to me, is all.

 

[cacildo]

Is it just me or are giant bombs Nintendo reviews always significantly lower than everyone else's

Long time ago i tried to follow this Giant Bomb for reviews and stuff. I gave up under the impression they hate nintendo, everything needs to be AAA, etc

May not be so, but thats the impression i got from them

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Sounds as I expected Fun game looks Fun

 

[ohlawd]

Game has more than 10 hours of gameplay supposedly and somehow 40 bucks is too much?

you're paying $4 an hour

too much

this is why I only buy RPGs

 

[Zalman]

Funny how the price is suddenly an issue despite the game only being $40.

Anyway, great reviews all around. Excited to play it in January.

 

[Brutalitops]

The Wii U is starting to get enough games to make me consider buying one soon. Next price drop I might give in.

 

[Dany]

Long time ago i tried to follow this Giant Bomb for reviews and stuff. I gave up under the impression they hate nintendo, everything needs to be AAA, etc

May not be so, but thats the impression i got from them

Thats not the case for reviews if you bothered to read them. You cast all of GB under an umbrella when in reality not every person is the same.

 

[maxcriden]

From Nintendo Life's review, re: playtime:

In terms of value, Nintendo's faced a tricky challenge in defining where this game fits in the marketplace, opting for a 'budget retail' approach. Experienced gamers will certainly blast through the 70+ stages — split into three 'episodes' — in eight hours or less, though may find another couple of hours in retreading stages to grab more gems and unlock some final extras. That play time can be greatly expanded for fans with less natural skill, meaning that there's decent value to be found; the strength of the title, beyond this length, is that this diorama puzzle approach feels unique and fresh, not just in the general market but even within the Wii U's own library.

 

[TI82]

This should have been a $20 eshop game. $40 for this is just insulting.

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

I don't care about reviews and people who does have no own mind in my opinion, this game looks so much fun an I will get it day one

 

[TheSlySoul]

Funny how the price is suddenly an issue despite the game only being $40.

Anyway, great reviews all around. Excited to play it in January.

Honestly Nintendo has done this for years. NES Remix Collection is $30 dollars for maybe 4-5 hours.
Captain Toad is around 10 for $40, which that does not include the secret objectives.
I do not mind a premium for this.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

FOR THE RECORD

I personally do not just look at the score. I read the content and the score to me is meaningless because the important parts are what's written.

But I do think that with metacritic we do have a situation where the score is the "most important part" to a large, large portion of the audience. And in THAT respect, I question if price should factor into the score. Not the content of the review, but the score.

I'm also just thinking aloud. Felt weird to me, is all.

Now THAT is a different issue altogether. Yeah, in a world where Metacritic takes the scores without a real context and then makes it "forever," yes it could be problematic. This of course speaks to the inherent weakness of scores and Metacritic.

I don't know that there is a better option though. If there is a $60 game that's 5 hours long, I'd like to know if the reviewer thought it was worth the time-to-money ratio. I read reviews really to get an evaluation of if it's worth my money. Perhaps it should be an addendum at the bottom. The best solution of course would be to have no score.

 

[phanphare]

thank you ohlawd

 

[ohlawd]

....to you

just ignore him, seriously.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

This should have been a $20 eshop game. $40 for this is just insulting.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Nintendojitsu]

A game that works as advertised, is entertaining and is sold below premium yet cost is a issue? Double standards. They do exist.

 

[samn]

Eight hours isn't quite enough for me, even at the budget price.

 

[batbeg]

This should have been a $20 eshop game. $40 for this is just insulting.

What was your problem with the value proposition offered by the game, if you don't mind elaborating?

 

[Percy]

Sterling's jab at Second Son is subtle.

Can't say as I noticed that in his review at all. Where was it?

 

[Death Metalist]

Bring it on! Already have smash and FC4 coming on the way as well. Too many damn games, I still have Lords of the Fallen sealed lol. Can't wait to replay Bayo2 in the future as well when I finish up on the games I got.

 

[Prevolition]

Cooool, at $40 I may be getting this sooner than expected.

 

[TI82]

Care to elaborate?

The amount of content is very lacking.

 

[oti]

It's a very solid game. Two player mode could've been really fun but its definitely worth 40€ for what it is.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

A game that works as advertised, is entertaining and is sold below premium yet cost is a issue? Double standards. They do exist.

It's fine to disagree with the reviewer, I know I do. But can you prove that the specific reviewer who thought it was not worth the price has a double standard?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

The amount of content is very lacking.

What additions would you need to bump it up to $40?

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

Did Jim sterling just make a water joke ?

 

[TAS]

This game releases the same day as my niece's birthday. It will make the perfect gift.

 

[TheSlySoul]

What additions would you need to bump it up to $40?

I think if they added a chapter with co-op missions, it would have been neat instead of making

Spoiler

3D World levels where you cannot jump.

 

[dwuu]

puzzle games mix with toad platforming is a buy for me !

 

[TI82]

What additions would you need to bump it up to $40?

Double the amount of levels and a way to create/share levels with the community.

 

[opticalmace]

Nice reviews, I'm more interested now than I was before. I'm a little put off by the amount of content though (8ish hours apparently) so I will pick it up when it drops in price sometime.

 

[Bananastand]

One of my favorite recent critics, David Jenkins, chimed in with an 8/10 review from Metro. He's in UK, so maybe he imported it lolowl

Euro critics have gotten the game a month in advance!

 

[JawesomeJaw]

Double the amount of levels and a way to create/share levels with the community.

Oh that's it then. Seems reasonable.

 

[Conezays]

Sounds good to me. Haven't really been disappointed with a Nintendo game yet on Wii U (though Game & Wario was a little underwhelming IMO). Will enjoy picking it up on friday with the girlfriend.

 

[Tempesta di Fuoco]

The amount of content is very lacking.

10+ hours for $40 is lacking? Sounds like you are not away that shorter games than that go for $60, and just 20 years ago we were paying more than that for games that were less than 1 hour long.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Double the amount of levels and a way to create/share levels with the community.

Double the content seems a bit much, but a level creator would be neat-o.

 

[batbeg]

Double the amount of levels and a way to create/share levels with the community.

It should also give blowjobs, though that might be pushing it towards being worth $50.