Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Totally normal thing to say, I'm sure

WASHINGTON ‒ President Donald Trump said overwhelming negative coverage about him by television networks should be grounds for the Federal Communications Commission to revoke broadcast licenses.

Trump made the suggestion as he defended FCC chairman Brendan Carr for pressuring ABC to pull comedian Jimmy Kimmel's late-night show off the airwaves over comments Kimmel made regarding the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Kimmel was suspended indefinitely.

"They're 97% against ‒ they give me only bad publicity or press," Trump claimed in a Sept. 18 gaggle with reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew back to the United States from the United Kingdom. "I mean, they're getting a license. I would think maybe their license should be taken away. It will be up to Brendan Carr."
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Trump suggests FCC should consider revoking TV licenses over negative coverage of him

President Trump said overwhelming negative coverage about him by TV networks should be grounds for the FCC to revoke their broadcast licenses.
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StreetsofBeige said:
Yup.

And the thing about the political spectrum is that where you are on the scale doesnt even mean literally that for every issue. And certain topics show up more in discussion. So if people only talk about one topic at a time, then a person gets labeled left or right assuming everything else he thinks is the same side.

For example, where on the spectrum would this guy be placed? Here's 14 common topics I could think off the top of head. 7 for each side.

Liberal views
- Anti gun
- Universal healthcare
- Spend a lot on education (especially on young kids)
- Pro choice
- Multicultural cities
- Dont care about religion as much
- Be what you want... Straight or LBQGT

Conservative views
- Small gov
- Low taxes
- Harsh on crime (major penalties)
- Less social assistance
- Immigrants skew to getting in based on their application approved
- No DEI/woke politics or work quotas
- Pro authority to keep things in check as a whole (cops and courts)

By the way, this person is me.
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A communist nazi!
 
TransTrender said:
It's kind of hard to define because if you make one single step out of alignment zone then you end up in the 'far right' bin by default.
It's quite retarded.
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I mean this is the exact same problem with "the left". I see a lot of people posting tweets about "leftitsts belive/think that" and I'm like "who are even these people ? Half of the country ?"
 
Madonis said:
Totally normal thing to say, I'm sure




www.usatoday.com

Trump suggests FCC should consider revoking TV licenses over negative coverage of him

President Trump said overwhelming negative coverage about him by TV networks should be grounds for the FCC to revoke their broadcast licenses.
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Media machine has brought it upon themselves though - they have been constantly either lying or repeating "fascism", "fascism" etc. And their coverage of Charlie Kirk's murder was abysmal. CNN should be dismantled (shame CNN is a cable network and its license cannot be revoked).
 
Wastelander92 said:
ResetEra just boycotting everything now.
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That's a gendered word

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Unknown? said:
People seem to think the political spectrum is like a coin with only two sides when in reality it's like a disco ball with hundreds of different angles.
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What a good analogy. Politics is like a coin.
 
The better question to all of this is when will these dipshits leave the most "racist, transphobic, sexist, fascists country in the world" for anywhere else? Oh right never cause they just rather drag everything and everyone to hell with them.
 
Honestly this is why you should just ignore leftists. They forget what they said two seconds after saying it and they don't actually believe any of it. It's literally just whatever is convenient in the moment.
 
calico said:
Honestly this is why you should just ignore leftists. They forget what they said two seconds after saying it and they don't actually believe any of it. It's literally just whatever is convenient in the moment.
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I feel that conservatives are complete hypocrites that don't really believe in anything or they're retarded or both. But clearly there is something deeply wrong with these people.
 
Gexxy1 said:
Official court documents:

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Okay. I agree with you. If this show aired 2 days prior when we really know very little about the shooter's political leanings, it wouldn't have necessarily been wrong.

So, are we okay with canceling him over outdated or misinformation?

It's not like he said something disrespectful or celebrated his death in any way.

And on top of that you have the FCC head saying this directly before the cancellation:

This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney. We can do this the easy way or the hard way," [FCC Chair] Carr said. "These companies can find ways to take action on Kimmel or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead."
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"They have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest," Carr said.
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Now the question is was he cancelled over misinformation or was it the public threat from the government?

I'm betting on the latter.
 
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GymWolf said:
You can't compare the church with normal people living their lives, normal people are not part of an order, normal gay and lesbians didn't created the lgbt group and are not a part of it.

Sexual preference is not a circle, no matter how much the left want you to believe that.

Should all the straight people in this world survey the street to stop straight rapist or it is the police job?
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Yes they should, if you are knowingly harboring a rapist in your neighborhood and not telling anyone "hey that mans a rapist". That is an issue.

The attitude of do nothing, magic will save the day hasn't helped. I don't see what's so controversial about people who are LGBT or people who are left wing calling out and criticizing the nutters who tell they world they associate with them.

If a rapist was running around and telling everyone he's my bud i'd do everything in my power to disassociate with the person and ensure everyone that I want nothing to do with him.
 
While I don't watch late night shows and didn't watch Kimmel's, I've heard him in podcasts and heard people who know him and everyone says he's a really good guy. I don't think he meant any ill intent. I think he's an anti-MAGA guy(everyone has their biases) who likely was given bad information by his team--that's how those shows usually work, they have a team of staffers, many of whom are young, and they keep them up to speed on current events and help them write for the show-- and my guess is many of them are online youngsters who lean left and gave him bad info and he went on the show and gave that bad take. I think he likely would have offered a correction and I'm not in favor of him being suspended.

That said, the people pissed kinda have no leg to stand on when they cheered other people like Rosanne and Gina Carano being fired for political takes. Basically: everyone is full of shit.

And speaking of full of shit... I'm seeing a lot of people have the takes that they should be allowed to have the belief that they are not sad about Charlie Kirk dying. I agree with that, they should be allowed to have that belief. But if you are someone who is indifferent to the murder of innocents, then you lose the ability to have the moral high ground on any future debate. You can't be telling other people they are bad people or telling other people that they "Need to do better!" if you are indifferent to the brutal murder of innocents. I'm sorry. You should be able to live your life and make a living somewhere, but as far as respecting your morality going forward, you've lost that privilege in my book.
 
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Punished Miku said:
North Korea. That is a North Korea headline. Fundamentally anti-democratic, anti-free press.

Fascists support that.
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No they don't... Fascists would support taking over those networks and forcing them to say things that they want them to say. Fascists don't shut down corporations, they use them.
 
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DragoonKain said:
While I don't watch late night shows and didn't watch Kimmel's, I've heard him in podcasts and heard people who know him and everyone says he's a really good guy. I don't think he meant any ill intent. I think he's an anti-MAGA guy(everyone has their biases) who likely was given bad information by his team--that's how those shows usually work, they have a team of staffers, many of whom are young, and they keep them up to speed on current events and help them write for the show-- and my guess is many of them are online youngsters who lean left and gave him bad info and he went on the show and gave that bad take. I think he likely would have offered a correction and I'm not in favor of him being suspended.

That said, the people pissed kinda have no leg to stand on when they cheered other people like Rosanne and Gina Carano being fired for political takes. Basically: everyone is full of shit.

And speaking of full of shit... I'm seeing a lot of people have the takes that they should be allowed to have the belief that they are not sad about Charlie Kirk dying. I agree with that, they should be allowed to have that belief. But if you are someone who is indifferent to the murder of innocents, then you lose the ability to have the moral high ground on any future debate. You can't be telling other people they are bad people or telling other people that they "Need to do better!" if you are indifferent to the brutal murder of innocents. I'm sorry. You should be able to live your life and make a living somewhere, but as far as respecting your morality going forward, you've lost that privilege in my book.
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Do you get that people don't give a shit that ABC suspended the show, but that they care that they suspended the show after they were threatened by Trump's FCC guy? The only reason people care about this and Colbert's firing from before is because they are seeing these networks cave to government pressure. And in this case, it was because of an explicit threat "do this the easy way or the hard way". Notice that this never happened to Rosanne. The government wasn't threatening the networks because they weren't gay enough or whatever.
 
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He was cancelled because he was rabble rousing way too soon, on publicly owned airwaves, some of which are owned by affiliates who don't want that on their broadcast.

He was a sacrifice to prevent more shit from getting out of control. And personally fuck him, he has been a shit stain unfunny bully his entire career. If they fired someone with actual talent I might be more sympathetic. Roseanne at her peak was 10,000x as funny as Kimmel ever was.
 
His outrageous lying led to the FCC threatening to perform the role it exists for, and his employer decided he wasn't worth fighting for.

I would guess if he still had an audience worth keeping they would have at least put up some fight, or offered to give a boilerplate apology and moved on. Seemed like they didn't need much convincing to get rid of him.

Still it could be worse right? At least he is still alive.
 
jason10mm said:
Yeah, he is a funny guy and nice to talk to. I have one of the first editions of MHI, the self published Infinity Publications one, and he tried to talk me out of getting a personalized message because it would devalue it but I didn't care. He gave me an ARC (advanced readers copy) of the first Black Sword book at another con. Had all the text, but no map, took till the second book where I could finally see the map :P
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Damn that's amazing. Those self published copies are worth a lot now. I have the standard BAEN Books published version. I would love nothing more than to meet him, he seems like a legit awesome guy. I might just have to come and have a look at your 1st Edition MHI tonight

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DragoonKain said:
While I don't watch late night shows and didn't watch Kimmel's, I've heard him in podcasts and heard people who know him and everyone says he's a really good guy. I don't think he meant any ill intent. I think he's an anti-MAGA guy(everyone has their biases) who likely was given bad information by his team--that's how those shows usually work, they have a team of staffers, many of whom are young, and they keep them up to speed on current events and help them write for the show-- and my guess is many of them are online youngsters who lean left and gave him bad info and he went on the show and gave that bad take. I think he likely would have offered a correction and I'm not in favor of him being suspended.

That said, the people pissed kinda have no leg to stand on when they cheered other people like Rosanne and Gina Carano being fired for political takes. Basically: everyone is full of shit.

And speaking of full of shit... I'm seeing a lot of people have the takes that they should be allowed to have the belief that they are not sad about Charlie Kirk dying. I agree with that, they should be allowed to have that belief. But if you are someone who is indifferent to the murder of innocents, then you lose the ability to have the moral high ground on any future debate. You can't be telling other people they are bad people or telling other people that they "Need to do better!" if you are indifferent to the brutal murder of innocents. I'm sorry. You should be able to live your life and make a living somewhere, but as far as respecting your morality going forward, you've lost that privilege in my book.
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agree w/ all of this, but I would use the word apathetic instead of indifference. apathetic implies lack of concern/emotion when it is expected. indifference is more neutral, means they don't care either way or have no opinions on the matter - let's not lump these poor people into this :pie_savoring:
 
DrFigs said:
Do you get that people don't give a shit that ABC suspended the show, but that they care that they suspended the show after they were threatened by Trump's FCC guy? The only reason people care about this and Colbert's firing from before is because they are seeing these networks cave to government pressure. And in this case, it was because of an explicit threat "do this the easy way or the hard way". Notice that this never happened to Rosanne. The government wasn't threatening the networks because they weren't gay enough or whatever.
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I don't think you can speak for the masses, as this suspension bothered everyone for their own unique reason. And I believe the White House under Biden pressured social media companies to ban certain accounts if I remember correctly from the Twitter Files. So while Trump's admin is probably more extreme in information control, others have used similar tactics.
 
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Never really cared for late night talk shows, even in their heyday (mid 2000s for my gen) I feel like no one watched them. But it is weird the personal vindictiveness some have for these guys. Like on a odd personal level, even tho these millionaires are lowkey on the same team their jokes are about. I didn't realize late night comedy was that serious.
 
DragoonKain said:
While I don't watch late night shows and didn't watch Kimmel's, I've heard him in podcasts and heard people who know him and everyone says he's a really good guy. I don't think he meant any ill intent. I think he's an anti-MAGA guy(everyone has their biases) who likely was given bad information by his team--that's how those shows usually work, they have a team of staffers, many of whom are young, and they keep them up to speed on current events and help them write for the show-- and my guess is many of them are online youngsters who lean left and gave him bad info and he went on the show and gave that bad take. I think he likely would have offered a correction and I'm not in favor of him being suspended.

That said, the people pissed kinda have no leg to stand on when they cheered other people like Rosanne and Gina Carano being fired for political takes. Basically: everyone is full of shit.

And speaking of full of shit... I'm seeing a lot of people have the takes that they should be allowed to have the belief that they are not sad about Charlie Kirk dying. I agree with that, they should be allowed to have that belief. But if you are someone who is indifferent to the murder of innocents, then you lose the ability to have the moral high ground on any future debate. You can't be telling other people they are bad people or telling other people that they "Need to do better!" if you are indifferent to the brutal murder of innocents. I'm sorry. You should be able to live your life and make a living somewhere, but as far as respecting your morality going forward, you've lost that privilege in my book.
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Even if he is a good guy, it's common sense if you mock a certain group or person day after day, at some point the behavior is obviously malicious and you can't hide behind saying "it was just jokes." You learn this in high school
 
Scrawnton said:
As horrible of a precedent it sets, it's also a message that flat out lying to the American public blatantly about a serious issue with massive social ramifications is too far and it has to be dealt with. Free speech laws are wishy washy in regards to nationally broadcasted tv controlled by the fcc. The government would be overstepping if they silenced him on social media or in the actual real world.
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You say this like 90% of TV isn't just lying and feeding you whatever garbage you want to hear in order to get your money; Are we shutting down fox news now for saying the election was rigged? From the lawsuits we have internal docs that show the producers knew it wasn't true but they aired them anyway. Or when hannity said it was Clinton's killed Seth rich, despite him knowing full well that police statements and investigative reports were all saying it was a botched robbery but he kept pushing that narrative because it was popular with his viewers. Or Tucker's show where he had people saying ivermectin was proven to be effective against covid. Not only was the jury still out at the time, but now we know it's not effective. Should we be shutting these people down to set a message that you can't lie to the American people? Are these lies not dangerous enough by your standards? Listen to what you are saying, it's mental!
 
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DrFigs said:
Who was president in 2018, when Rosanne was fired?

Also I flat out just don't believe her. I don't think Obama would've cared enough.
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For such a smart guy, dismissing the massive power of the Obamas is a bit disingenous, to say the least.

And let's pretend he never did that as a president, sure not. Let's pretend Higher Ground Productions doesnt exist and that Netflix is not a liberal propaganda machine.
 
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