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[Men_in_Boxes]

It looks like Jason Schreiers "Is this the model going forward?" tweet sounds pretty darn stupid right now. Always thought the parade everyone was trying to give Astrobot before sales numbers was a really bad look.

Request: Can a mod change "About 1/3rd of..." to "About 1/3rd less than..." in thread title?

Request II: Can a mod change "Astrobot's" to "Astro Bot's" in thread title?

 

[adamsapple]

Doesn't UK have an Amazon?

But I digress, as always, physical only sales in an increasingly digital world are not an accurate metric.

 

[Interfectum]

It looks like Jason Schreiers "Is this the model going forward?" tweet sounds pretty darn stupid right now. Always thought the parade everyone was trying to give Astrobot before sales numbers was a really bad look.

1/3 lower, not 1/3 of total says bro and he doesn't say lower than expected.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I don't understand, Rivet is in Astrobot. It's the same thing.

 

[tommib]

Only rofif buys physical.

 

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[SEGAvangelist]

Fantastic.

 

[Elios83]

Lol thread title wrong and made up.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Doesn't UK have an Amazon?

But I digress, as always, physical only sales in an increasingly digital world are not an accurate metric.

Can you list any examples of a games physical sales and digital sales doing wildly differently? I feel like it's pretty safe to say we can use physical sales as a kind of borometer for overall sales.

 

[Sintoid]

1/3 Lower than R&C Rift Apart doesn't look that bad considering budget, marketing and weight of each IP (Ratchet is surely most known than Astro)

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Cope, Seethe, mald

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

 

[XXL]

I'm not seeing an issue here.

The physical sales are 1/3 lower than Ratchet and digital sales have kept growing since then.

It probably outsold Ratchet.

Also how many days of tracking are counted? It launched a few days ago.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's currently #4 on the PlayStation Store in the UK, behind only Warhammer, NBA 2K25, and Fortnite (which is free to play). It's consistently increased its position every day.

Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart had an almost year long promotion campaign for it, tied in large part to the PS5's ad campaign, while Astro Bot was announced just 4 months ago.

Once again, Chris Dring is making some peculiar comparisons that are entirely out of pocket.

 

[Hookshot]

hmm what will it be remembered as?

Astro Flop, Floptro Bot or Floptro Flop?

 

[Mownoc]

Not 1/3rd of Ratchet, 1/3rd less. So 66% of Ratchet's, physical only, in the UK, and he expects stronger legs. We'll get a fuller picture later.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Can you list any examples of a games physical sales and digital sales doing wildly differently? I feel like it's pretty safe to say we can use physical sales as a kind of borometer for overall sales.

We know that digital has increased as a percentage of sales since this generation started, so if that is the case yes, we know physical sales are down, so yes, we know that comparing a title's physical sales in 2021 and a title's physical sales in 2024 is not in good faith.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Lol thread title wrong and made up.

Damn, I didn't even catch that. If a mod can change thread title to "about 1/3rd lower..." not "about 1/3rd of..."

 

[The Cockatrice]

We had like a thread a few weeks ago that critic scores dont boost game sales anymore. A platformer was never going to sell blockbusters amounts no matter what the old minority echochamber gaf members say. I certainly aint day one on it. Will get it on more than 30% sale at best. Sony changing their profile picture wont change their gaas focused strategy either.

 

[adamsapple]

Can you list any examples of a games physical sales and digital sales doing wildly differently?

Sure.

Elden Ring's Xbox European sales were 85% digital.

Almost 85% of Elden Ring sales on Xbox were downloaded

Elden Ring is the biggest non-FIFA or Call of Duty launch since Red Dead Redemption 2 | UK Digital Charts

Elden Ring is the biggest UK video game launch since Call of Duty: Vanguard, according to the latest digital and physic…

www.gamesindustry.biz

I feel like it's pretty safe to say we can use physical sales as a kind of borometer for overall sales.

In the previous generation maybe, but last 4, 5 years especially, digital adoption has skyrocketed.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Only rofif buys physical.

I only buy physical media.

 

[buenoblue]

Refund everyone and pull the game

Seriously though physical game sales are not the metric of success in 2024!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Damn, I didn't even catch that. If a mod can change thread title to "about 1/3rd lower..." not "about 1/3rd of..."

That's what happens when you only think with your GaaS dick

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Damn, I didn't even catch that. If a mod can change thread title to "about 1/3rd lower..." not "about 1/3rd of..."

You didn't catch that because of your zeal to astroturf a single player game. A mod shouldn't change the thread they should close it.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

We know that digital has increased as a percentage of sales since this generation started

By how much?

 

[Matt_Fox]

OP, if Ratchet and Clank sold 100 copies...

1/3 as per your thread title would be 33.

A third lower as per Chris Dring would be 66.

 

[Holammer]

1/3 Lower than R&C Rift Apart doesn't look that bad considering budget, marketing and weight of each IP (Ratchet is surely most known than Astro)

One game was developed by a team counted in dozens, the other a 4 digit amount.

 

[ZiggyPop1991]

It looks like Jason Schreiers "Is this the model going forward?" tweet sounds pretty darn stupid right now. Always thought the parade everyone was trying to give Astrobot before sales numbers was a really bad look.

It's not a bad look because sales doesn't equal quality. It's a lesser known IP released only on one console. Hopefully it recoups it's cost and puts it in the view of more peopel.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Astro should do amazing during the holidays and will probably continue selling decently well

I can see people picking up a ps5 for this

 

[Mownoc]

There's not many things that scare me. But a person that champions GAAS and jumps to shit on a delightfully refreshing title like Astro Bot...

 

[AyraSutoraifu]

Refund everyone and pull the game

Seriously though physical game sales are not the metric of success in 2024!

It doesn't say a lot, will have to wait for total sales. I'm a physical buyer myself, next to the dozens others of us. We will endure.

 

[Skifi28]

It looks like Jason Schreiers "Is this the model going forward?" tweet sounds pretty darn stupid right now. .

How did you reach that conclusion? The whole point was that the game was made by a small team with a small budget so you don't need 10 million sales just to break even.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Everyone is waiting for the Swtich 2 version....

 

[MDSLKTR]

Only rofif buys physical.

Never thought I would say it but I would rather have 100 rofif's back over the quack in boxers.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Think about difference of marketing too and brand recognition. Astro Bot will have much longer legs. Besides with digital how it is now they could have sell better than Ratchet back then.

 

[Z O N E]

Doesn't digital sell more than physical in the UK, so one can only hope the sales of digital are somewhat higher?

 

[//DEVIL//]

did he just compare astro to concord sales?

As if that game sold anything.


Also 2/3 of the Ratchet sales.... how much did that game sell in UK in its first week?

 

[tommib]

It’s the 2nd most sold game sold on PSN that is not free to play - it’s doing mighty fine:

 

[Elios83]

Damn, I didn't even catch that. If a mod can change thread title to "about 1/3rd lower..." not "about 1/3rd of..."

Also no one stated that sales are lower than expected otherwise an expectation should be stated. And to have an expectation you need to factor budget and popularity. So the whole take of the thread title is just misinformation.

UK is a digital market at this point with physical sales declining every year, while there is certainly correlation between physical and digital sales, comparisons and ratios with games released years ago have no sense. Everyone has declining physical sales at this point.

 

[Generic]

There's not many things that scare me. But a person that champions GAAS and jumps to shit on a delightfully refreshing title like Astro Bot...

What is refreshing about Astrobot? It looks like every other platformer ever made.

 

[tommib]

Never thought I would say it but I would rather have 100 rofif's back over the quack in boxers.

Yes, it’s been a net negative.

 

[DarkstarRising13]

It's not a bad look because sales doesn't equal quality. It's a lesser known IP released only on one console. Hopefully it recoups it's cost and puts it in the view of more peopel.

The budget was said to be around $60 million with a three-year development time. Given the huge amount of praise this game is getting and the amount of stores are selling out of them, I can see this game hitting close to 4 million by year's end, enough for Team Asobi to break even and make a profit.

 

[XXL]

You didn't catch that because of your zeal to astroturf a single player game. A mod shouldn't change the thread they should close it.

"Snake Oil Salesman"

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It's not a bad look because sales doesn't equal quality. It's a lesser known IP released only on one console. Hopefully it recoups it's cost and puts it in the view of more peopel.

It is a bad look because the conversation was about strategy/investment, not quality. People desperately wanted their 94 metascore darling to be a commercial hit. So much so that people were estimating projections of 10+ million copies sold.

If you want to obsess over GAAS failure, fine, but you should also understand the shortcomings of the other models as well. People must go back to rational thought and logic, and away from payment model fantaticism zombies.

 

[tommib]

It is a bad look because the conversation was about strategy/investment, not quality. People desperately wanted their 94 metascore darling to be a commercial darling that we were estimating projections of 10+ million copies sold.

If you want to obssess over GAAS failure, fine, but you should also understand the shortcomings of the other models as well. People must go back to rational thought and logic, and away from payment model fantaticism zombies.

Stop it. It’s at the very top of PSN most sold games. Just drop the trolling.

 

[Interfectum]

Damn, I didn't even catch that. If a mod can change thread title to "about 1/3rd lower..." not "about 1/3rd of..."

Mod should change the entire title... it's not lower than expected, you are just adding that bullshit in. We have no idea of Sony's expectations for physical UK copies sold.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Title is wrong. It’s physical sales only.

 

[Generic]

It is a bad look because the conversation was about strategy/investment, not quality. People desperately wanted their 94 metascore darling to be a commercial hit. So much so that people were estimating projections of 10+ million copies sold.

If you want to obsess over GAAS failure, fine, but you should also understand the shortcomings of the other models as well. People must go back to rational thought and logic, and away from payment model fantaticism zombies.

I remember people also thought Stellar Blade would be a massive hit because "fuck wokeness" and then the game only sold 1 million in 3 months.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Stop it. It’s at the very top of PSN most sold games. Just drop the trolling.

Chart position doesn't give a great picture of overall performance. It changes daily and we don't know any actual numbers.

It's looking like this game will sell a little bit less than Ratchet and Clank, still be a success for Team Asobi, but it will also make the delusional people who thought this was the way forward for Sony PlayStation look pretty darn foolish.

 

[XXL]

People desperately wanted their 94 metascore darling to be a commercial darling that we were estimating projections of 10+ million copies sold.

People were saying LTD sales would be 10M.....and you coming to the conclusion this is impossible based on 2-3 days of tracking from only physical sales and only from the UK.

You should have your thread creation privileges revoked.

You are either unintelligent and/or disingenuous. Pick one.