Joel Was Right
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Name me an action scene post Superman Return that beats that airplane scene
Christopher Nolan is back for Batman 3 and is "mentoring" a Superman reboot
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Superhero movies need to stop forcing more than one bad guy.. You never get to know them really all that well, and they both end up underused. I'm REALLY tired of origin stories and reboot. Just make a standalone adventure with the character.
And please, for fucks sake, stay away from the teenage love plots.. Spiderman was such a gaffer in the movies.. ugh
And please, for fucks sake, stay away from the teenage love plots.. Spiderman was such a gaffer in the movies.. ugh
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And time to get some hate: Christian Bale for Superman!!!
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This is the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of every thing!
And time to get some hate: Christian Bale for Superman!!!
I still feel bad for Routh, his contract is up so unless Warners really liked him I doubt we'll see him as Superman again 
Which sucks because, as others have said, he was one of the good things about Superman Returns.
I actually liked Superman Returns. Now, I'm an admitted DC fanboy and Superman is probably my favorite fictional character of all time (across all pop-culture), but I definitely agree with the flaws of SR. It was far from the quality of Donner's version of Superman 2 (the best of the five Superman movies, in my opinion).
Kate Bosworth was far too young for Lois (who, as a character, was a a tad too bitchy), and god love Frank Langella, but he just wasn't right for Perry White, Hugh Laurie would have been great, it's a shame he had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts with House. I think I have a man-crush on James Marsden, so I had no real issues with him. Oh, and Sam...whathisface played a great Jimmy Olsen.
And ugh....the kid...I respect Bryan Singer as a filmmaker, but what the hell was he thinking when he thought that up?
Either way, my wishlist for the next Superman movie (assuming they're setting up for a trilogy):
~ First third takes place on Krypton. Set up Zod and Brainiac as possible future villains, as well as establishing what the Phantom Zone is.
~ Either Metallo or Parasite are the primary villain in the first film.
~ (This is a small detail, but still...) Establish that Superman is stronger the closer he is to the Sun, Superman Returns didn't do this and think some movie-goers were confused as to why, all of a sudden, he was back to full strength after having been stabbed by a kryptonite dagger.
~ Oh, and this time around? Let's stick with post-Crisis Superman. None of this lifting a goddamn island made of 70% Kryptonite.
*edit; Ha, I completely forgot about what they should do with Luthor. Guess that shows how much I really care about him as a villain :lol Meh, set him up as a the guy pulling the strings in the first movie (hires Metallo or Parasite to take out Superman or...something).
Which sucks because, as others have said, he was one of the good things about Superman Returns. I actually liked Superman Returns. Now, I'm an admitted DC fanboy and Superman is probably my favorite fictional character of all time (across all pop-culture), but I definitely agree with the flaws of SR. It was far from the quality of Donner's version of Superman 2 (the best of the five Superman movies, in my opinion).
Kate Bosworth was far too young for Lois (who, as a character, was a a tad too bitchy), and god love Frank Langella, but he just wasn't right for Perry White, Hugh Laurie would have been great, it's a shame he had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts with House. I think I have a man-crush on James Marsden, so I had no real issues with him. Oh, and Sam...whathisface played a great Jimmy Olsen.
And ugh....the kid...I respect Bryan Singer as a filmmaker, but what the hell was he thinking when he thought that up?
Either way, my wishlist for the next Superman movie (assuming they're setting up for a trilogy):
~ First third takes place on Krypton. Set up Zod and Brainiac as possible future villains, as well as establishing what the Phantom Zone is.
~ Either Metallo or Parasite are the primary villain in the first film.
~ (This is a small detail, but still...) Establish that Superman is stronger the closer he is to the Sun, Superman Returns didn't do this and think some movie-goers were confused as to why, all of a sudden, he was back to full strength after having been stabbed by a kryptonite dagger.
~ Oh, and this time around? Let's stick with post-Crisis Superman. None of this lifting a goddamn island made of 70% Kryptonite.
*edit; Ha, I completely forgot about what they should do with Luthor. Guess that shows how much I really care about him as a villain :lol Meh, set him up as a the guy pulling the strings in the first movie (hires Metallo or Parasite to take out Superman or...something).
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gdt5016 said:
Hell no to both. Cameron's great at crafting action scenes but that scene was disappointing. And District 9's finale was alright but it just wasn't as bang-boom awesome as Superman Returns Airplane rescue.
The scene that sold me on it was when he just punched through the wing, it was so ill.
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I must repost this to emphasize just how awesome Burton's Superman film would have been:
Tim Burton "Superman Lives" concept art
Yeah only sadly this guy is serious.
Tim Burton "Superman Lives" concept art
MMaRsu said:You were beaten like Superman got beat by Batman
Yeah only sadly this guy is serious.
gutter_trash
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I did not like Singer's Supes
Clark Kent was very 2ndary in the movie IMO and felt 2ndary
Clark Kent was very 2ndary in the movie IMO and felt 2ndary
Discotheque
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gdt5016 said:
I was expecting so much more. I actually liked the events leading up to it a lot more. It was just so...boring. And WTF at the mech-fight being so short.
I think the real badass part of that scene was the mech jumping out of the drop ship. That was kickass and was on the Superman airplane-level. But the rest of the finale was kind of eh.
Discotheque
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It's hard for me to pick up on that. I also thought the first guy who said it was serious too :lol
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Like, a lot of them? It was great, surely, but it ain't making anybody's history books.Meus Renaissance said:
Discotheque said:
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Burton would have taken far too many liberties with the character to please long-time Superman fans. For starters, Bryan Singer merely tweaked the costume and got shitloads of backlash for it. If Burton's movie would have been made (this was the one with Nicolas Cage attached to it right? God...) there would have been riots outside of the WB offices. Burton bragged at one point that he's never read a comic book in his life, as such I wouldn't want him anywhere near the most iconic superhero of all time (and at this point, I doubt WB would either, they've grown increasingly protective of their IP's over the last decade).
Superman isn't a dark character. Burton would have taken him in that direction and (I don't want to sound like a total doom-sayer) completely boned what makes Superman a unique character. I have no problem with Superman getting down and dirty, not at all, but Burton would have taken it too far in that direction.
But man, that concept art just bleeds the 90's :lol John Peters (who was signed as the producer of Burton's version) even admitted around the time of Superman Return's release that he regretted the direction they were planning on taking the movie, saying it was closer to Star Wars than Superman.
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I just like the really cool sci-fi look they were going with it. And just looking at how boring Superman Returns was I thought it would be a lot more interesting (at least) to see Burton's film.
ConfusingJazz
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Solo said:
Kind of how I felt about it. I don't think Singer caught the memo from the Schumacher Batmans that camp sucks when he was scripting Lex Luthor.
I also think it would have been a well received movie if it came out of the 90s, but after Spider-Man, and especially Batman Begins, it felt out of date.
It would have been like trying to make Casino Royale like a Roger Moore era Bond after the Bourne Trilogy.
gdt5016 said:
It sucked, and I was pretty damn bored by it. Though, I have really hated CGI only battle scenes since the early 2000s when I realized that it was a shitty crutch.
Whatever they do I hope they skip the origin story and jump down the line when Superman is at least slightly older. The character is way more interesting when he's concerned with his legacy and impact on the world than when he's coming-of-age and trying to score with Lois.
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Nice :lolbrianjones said:
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My idiotic brain totally read the thread title as "Christian Bale is back for Batman 3 and is "mentoring" a Superman reboot", and wondered how the fuck he was going to mentor a new Superman movie :lol
Tobor said:
She's become a very good Lois actually. Not perfect, but very good. Watch the show before telling someone their opinion is stupid.
Willy105 said:
What did you find great about the story exactly? Because I thought the whole "Superbaby" thing was silly and Lex's evil master plan was absolutely stupid.
Not that I want to be one of the couple jackasses in this thread laughing at someone else for liking the moving. But I'm curious what you liked about the plot.
I don't think it was a terrible movie, just incredibly mediocre. People here seem to act like it was Catwoman-bad. Routh was a great Superman and Singer had a great look for the movie. It had a couple great scenes too (airplane and Superman getting the shit beat out of him at the end). Overall it was pretty boring but it had some good things going for it.
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DC/WB do what Sonyon't.
Alright guys, I'm a hater. Superman, to me, is the worse superhero of all time. But, BUT, I'm curious to know why he's so beloved.
Dude takes off his glasses, straightens his posture and fixes his hair and all of a sudden he's Superman? Even the complete transformation of his personality doesnt make up for the fact that everyone CANT BE THAT DUMB.
Someone please explain, I'm actually very open minded. :lol
I think Superman will only really work for me if there was a good enough actor to play 2 parts in one accurately. I mean, Kent will have to be the geekiest, most unimportant figure on screen to pull this off. REAL bad posture, business attire that doesnt fit quite right (to hide his Superman build), always looking down and never making eye contact, do something with his face to make him look depressed to hide some of his more prominent facial features that define the confidence of Superman.
I mean, it would be hard to pull off. Im thinking maybe have 2 different actors that look alike to pass for each other's alter-ego, but still look different enough to believe they're not the same person.
Or maybe Kent could put on some sort of fake but flesh accurate wrinkle attachments.
Eck, I dont know what Im talking about. :lol
EDIT: The more I think about it, the more the "2 actor" thing makes sense.
Like so:
Mendel
Christian Berkel
Dude takes off his glasses, straightens his posture and fixes his hair and all of a sudden he's Superman? Even the complete transformation of his personality doesnt make up for the fact that everyone CANT BE THAT DUMB.
Someone please explain, I'm actually very open minded. :lol
I think Superman will only really work for me if there was a good enough actor to play 2 parts in one accurately. I mean, Kent will have to be the geekiest, most unimportant figure on screen to pull this off. REAL bad posture, business attire that doesnt fit quite right (to hide his Superman build), always looking down and never making eye contact, do something with his face to make him look depressed to hide some of his more prominent facial features that define the confidence of Superman.
I mean, it would be hard to pull off. Im thinking maybe have 2 different actors that look alike to pass for each other's alter-ego, but still look different enough to believe they're not the same person.
Or maybe Kent could put on some sort of fake but flesh accurate wrinkle attachments.
Eck, I dont know what Im talking about. :lol
EDIT: The more I think about it, the more the "2 actor" thing makes sense.
Like so:
Mendel
Christian Berkel
Spike Spiegel
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I had an idea a while back on how they could reboot the Superman franchise while still acknowledging 'Superman Returns', and it's sort of borrowed from the comic books.
In the post- Infinite Crisis storyline "Up Up and Away" by Johns & Busiek, the first issue opens with a montage of scenes from Superman's life accompanied by some fairly cheesy narrative dialogue. On the next page, we see that the scenes and dialogue are from a movie about Superman's life called 'Superman: A Retrospective'... and Lois and Clark are sitting there in the audience, watching it. And when the movie's over, they get up and leave, meeting Jimmy on their way out, and that's where the real story starts. Lois even takes some shots at the film's Ma Kent as being too young, and Kryptonians shopping at Banana Republic.
So my idea is, do the same thing with 'Superman Returns'. Have the opening credits for the Superman reboot film, then go right into footage from 'Returns'; after a minute or two to get the real audience wondering WTF is going on, pan out to a wider shot to show the "movie screen" and we find Clark, Lois, Jimmy and co. sitting in a theater watching 'Superman Returns'. Then they leave the theater, comment on 'Returns' quality as a fictional biopic of Superman's life, then we get into the REAL film. It'd work even better with Routh reprising the role, could be a real "meta" moment as Lois and Jimmy criticize his work in 'Returns'.
Of course, the problem is getting audience goers not to think too much about the fact that 'Returns' would spoil Superman's identity for the fictional people in the film. They could play a non-Clark part, like Superman saving the shuttle or lifting the continent.
In the post- Infinite Crisis storyline "Up Up and Away" by Johns & Busiek, the first issue opens with a montage of scenes from Superman's life accompanied by some fairly cheesy narrative dialogue. On the next page, we see that the scenes and dialogue are from a movie about Superman's life called 'Superman: A Retrospective'... and Lois and Clark are sitting there in the audience, watching it. And when the movie's over, they get up and leave, meeting Jimmy on their way out, and that's where the real story starts. Lois even takes some shots at the film's Ma Kent as being too young, and Kryptonians shopping at Banana Republic.
So my idea is, do the same thing with 'Superman Returns'. Have the opening credits for the Superman reboot film, then go right into footage from 'Returns'; after a minute or two to get the real audience wondering WTF is going on, pan out to a wider shot to show the "movie screen" and we find Clark, Lois, Jimmy and co. sitting in a theater watching 'Superman Returns'. Then they leave the theater, comment on 'Returns' quality as a fictional biopic of Superman's life, then we get into the REAL film. It'd work even better with Routh reprising the role, could be a real "meta" moment as Lois and Jimmy criticize his work in 'Returns'.
Of course, the problem is getting audience goers not to think too much about the fact that 'Returns' would spoil Superman's identity for the fictional people in the film. They could play a non-Clark part, like Superman saving the shuttle or lifting the continent.
pel1300
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Anyone saying a Tim Burton Superman would have been good needs to be shot.
Tim Burton?? That director forces his unique, eccentric, dark comedy style on everything he touches.
Planet of the Apes remake was awful. Alice in Wonderland looks awful(way too Tim Burton-ish looking.
A Tim Burton Superman would have had the strange+dark visuals of a Tim Burton movie...plus an awful Danny Elfman soundtrack. Thank god that never happened.
Tim Burton?? That director forces his unique, eccentric, dark comedy style on everything he touches.
Planet of the Apes remake was awful. Alice in Wonderland looks awful(way too Tim Burton-ish looking.
A Tim Burton Superman would have had the strange+dark visuals of a Tim Burton movie...plus an awful Danny Elfman soundtrack. Thank god that never happened.
Joel Was Right
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Solo said:
No. But the crane scene in CS was close
DeathbyVolcano
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Who cares about Superman, the best news about this is Nolan is indeed working on a third Batman.
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gdt5016 said:
Not only was it utterly predictable (the existing boyfriend Navi might as well have been introduced wearing a black armband it was so obvious what would happen to him), it was filled with so much stupid (the galaxy's slowest bomber with men in tents on top of it, Michelle Rogridez's non-plan to fight the big helicopter) it made me weep for the '80s and the day film makers knew how to pace and block an action scene.
Superman Return's aeroplane scene probably was the best of recent times, but that only proves how bad things are now (especially as the film itself was otherwise awful).
Vestal
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Routh has to be Supes again or no sell. He had a very good performance, and trully paid homage to the "real" Superman Christopher Reeves, even with the very little time he had as Clark he pretty much nailed a comparable performance to that of Reeves.
Also I kinda liked Spacey as Lex, I just think the part wasn't written that well. He did show some sparks of brilliance and a hint of Hackman in his performance, but in all honesty the 1 thing that was really missing in that performance was a comedic sidekick ala Otis. Otis was very present in the First Supes and really allowed the Luthor charcter to be totally "evil", they went away from that in 2 and 4 thus the character suffered having to fill in the comedy gaps left behind by no Otis.
Also I kinda liked Spacey as Lex, I just think the part wasn't written that well. He did show some sparks of brilliance and a hint of Hackman in his performance, but in all honesty the 1 thing that was really missing in that performance was a comedic sidekick ala Otis. Otis was very present in the First Supes and really allowed the Luthor charcter to be totally "evil", they went away from that in 2 and 4 thus the character suffered having to fill in the comedy gaps left behind by no Otis.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
I still think Bane makes the most sense for the next film but just to make him super strong instead of having him doped up and just have him hunt Batman down. Maybe have Bane and Deadshot.
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AlternativeUlster said:
Nooooooo.
The real answer is Solomon Grundy!
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SimleuqiR said:
wow I thought I had seen her before. I just watched Zohan for the first time.
pretty funny that she is a jew but yet played an arab for that movie.
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District 9 had incredible action scenes. Avatar, Children of Men, Dark Knight batmobile chase, etc etc.Meus Renaissance said:
WB should realize that Nolan operates in the realm of "possible". Nolan is mostly fixtured on mind's incredibly mysterious nature in most of his movies like Memento (Anterograde amnesia), Insomnia, Batman Begins (fear, trauma), Dark Knight (Joker's crazy ass). Superman is as straightforward as superhero can get. The 50's were a simpler times where people didn't give a hoot about Superman blending into normal people just by wearing glasses. The movie demographic changed dramatically now and people won't buy the Superman story unless major changes are made. Bryan Singer tried to resurrect the series and even though it made money, its clear just by reading people's reactions that Superman Returns was not the definitive Superman movie people were hoping for.
In the end, sure I want Nolan to oversee the Superman project. That can only mean a good end product, and I'll be happy. But I don't know how much Nolan can contribute to an unfamiliar scenario.
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