Moon knight was completely forgettable. As much as I like the character and the writer, shit better start happening or it's getting dropped. I'm not an art first guy, but I don't want half a comic of white space, especially when it's about people I don't care about who aren't moon knight...at 3.99. It had the pacing of an online only infinite comic.
I thought it was cool. I think reading Ms. Marvel made me appreciate it more. Kinda gave an origin to her story so far. Was it awkward like you said? Yes. But like I said, kinda like getting on a ride at a theme park and waiting for it to start, you don't know what to expect. It's a ride that hasn't even begun yet, could be fun.
The thing is, it reads like Soule took Fraction's original script, then got fucked up on cough syrup and tried to rewrite it from memory while Joe Mad, not knowing what to do, drew the pages for both scripts, then made a collage of his favorite panels.
Can someone explain what the "Ultimates" is about? I see that the All New Ultimates is releasing next week and it looks interesting. I know that there's Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men but in what world do they exist in? Is that stuff cannon?
Can someone explain what the "Ultimates" is about? I see that the All New Ultimates is releasing next week and it looks interesting. I know that there's Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men but in what world do they exist in? Is that stuff cannon?
Can someone explain what the "Ultimates" is about? I see that the All New Ultimates is releasing next week and it looks interesting. I know that there's Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men but in what world do they exist in? Is that stuff cannon?
We need a more concrete definition of the Messi Effect. I disagree with its use here because I'm not buying Pretty Deadly out of loyalty to a character despite bad writing, I'm buying a book with cool art that doesn't make any fucking sense
The thing is, it reads like Soule took Fraction's original script, then got fucked up on cough syrup and tried to rewrite it from memory while Joe Mad, not knowing what to do, drew the pages for both scripts, then made a collage of his favorite panels.
We need a more concrete definition of the Messi Effect. I disagree with its use here because I'm not buying Pretty Deadly out of loyalty to a character despite bad writing, I'm buying a book with cool art that doesn't make any fucking sense
All I've seen are some impressions on Reddit, which were very positive with both people saying it was much better than the avengers one. It's really weird they announced this back in June and it seems Marvel, or anyone really, hasn't said a peep since.
We need a more concrete definition of the Messi Effect. I disagree with its use here because I'm not buying Pretty Deadly out of loyalty to a character despite bad writing, I'm buying a book with cool art that doesn't make any fucking sense
Well, you said you couldn't tell whether you liked it with no mention of its dumb, nonsensical writing. So you're picking up something for reasons other than "i like this book" or "this book is fucking fun and dope and is called SheHulk". Basically, you're throwing money at a book you dont like and you're unsure why. Blind character loyalty is just one aspect of the Messi Effect. Shit is multi-faceted, yo.
Ultimates volume 1 and 2 by Mark Miller and Bryan Hitch are fantastic, it's a modern, post-9/11 take on the Avengers. It's one of my favourite comic runs of all time and the Avengers movie was influenced a lot by it.
The first 12 issues of Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates written by Jonathan Hickman are pretty good too, but the quality goes downhill quite a but after he leaves and Sam Humphries takes over.
Well, you said you couldn't tell whether you liked it with no mention of its dumb, nonsensical writing. So you're picking up something for reasons other than "i like this book" or "this book is fucking fun and dope and is called SheHulk". Basically, you're throwing money at a book you dont like and you're unsure why. Blind character loyalty is just one aspect of the Messi Effect. Shit is multi-faceted, yo.
Ehhh but I am sure why. I like the art a lot and I dig the themes. But the writing is shit, correct. No argument there. The uncertainty lies in whether the good outweighs the bad...right now, apparently it does? Because I'm still buying it.
I confess that some of that comes more from the potential of the book over what it has actually offered thus far, so....oh shit that's the Messi Effect right there isn't it
Moon knight was completely forgettable. As much as I like the character and the writer, shit better start happening or it's getting dropped. I'm not an art first guy, but I don't want half a comic of white space, especially when it's about people I don't care about who aren't moon knight...at 3.99. It had the pacing of an online only infinite comic.
I think a lot was told in this issue by not having a bunch of dialog. The first issue showed one side of Moon Knight, his detective side. Witty and smart. This issue showed the super hero side of Moon Knight. What I loved about this issue was it showed action without words.
Take for example if you are reading Batgirl by Gail Simone. When Babs is in a action scene, Gail writes out every thought that runs through Babs head. It's annoying, actions should require no thought, it should be instinct. When Moon Knights
cape is ruined, without words, without emotion, he pulls out the grapple.
A Babs scene would have like 8 different thought boxes explaining her thought process on how she overcame that ordeal.
I think this was a perfect setup for showing how well Moon Knight is in a action sequence. Addition by subtraction.
Ultimates volume 1 and 2 by Mark Miller and Bryan Hitch are fantastic, it's a modern, post-9/11 take on the Avengers. It's one of my favourite comic runs of all time and the Avengers movie was influenced a lot by it.
The first 12 issues of Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates written by Jonathan Hickman are pretty good too, but the quality goes downhill quite a but after he leaves and Sam Humphries takes over.
I think a lot was told in this issue by not having a bunch of dialog. The first issue showed one side of Moon Knight, his detective side. Witty and smart. This issue showed the super hero side of Moon Knight. What I loved about this issue was it showed action without words.
Take for example if you are reading Batgirl by Gail Simone. When Babs is in a action scene, Gail writes out every thought that runs through Babs head. It's annoying, actions should require no thought, it should be instinct. When Moon Knights
cape is ruined, without words, without emotion, he pulls out the grapple.
A Babs scene would have like 8 different thought boxes explaining her thought process on how she overcame that ordeal.
I think this was a perfect setup for showing how well Moon Knight is in a action sequence. Addition by subtraction.
Yeah, Babs without thinking through the combat would be like Spidey without the banter...just wouldn't feel right. The way characters act in combat is one of the things that keeps them distinct from each other; there's no right/wrong way to do it in general.
I think I might be the only person here still reading New Warriors.
The good? The pace picks up and this one seems interesting. Its becoming incredibly obvious that this book is not so much "new warriors" as it is "scarlet spider and his amazing friends." This isn't necessarily bad, but no one else really stands out while SS is consistently interesting.
The bad? Marvel's recent (?) Decision to not really give a shit about continuity means that the entire point of the book is irrelevant. Uncanny Avengers literally just addressed the entire plot New Warriors built itself around at the moment, making the high evolutionary anticlimactic and a bit of an idiot.
Some thoughts occurred to me while I was reading Moon Knight #2 today...
1) Yep, it's an Ellis book alright.
2) Holy sh*t this book is AMAZING.
3) The done-in-one, episodic storytelling format is woefully underutilized in today's comics.
4) People are probably definitely going to complain about all those "blank" pages.
Marvel Comics
Black Widow #5
Captain America #19
Loki Agent of Asgard #3
Moon Knight #2
She-Hulk #3
I think a lot was told in this issue by not having a bunch of dialog. The first issue showed one side of Moon Knight, his detective side. Witty and smart. This issue showed the super hero side of Moon Knight. What I loved about this issue was it showed action without words.
I would agree if there wasn't a metric fuck-tonne of bizarre Ellis dialogue in the issue, though.
The Banks did it, man.
It was literally 3 pages of story stretched out into 20. Moon Knight was completely ineffectual when he finally appeared.
All of those people still died...he did not avenge anything, since un-introduced character number 10 did the killing while Moon Knight, the supposed badass, stands there like a schmuck.
The biggest problem is there wasn't a single strand of anything that a) connected to the great build-up and last panel of the first issue and b) there wasn't a single strand of anything in this issue that I want to see the next issue build off of, either.
I'm sure people will like it anyway, but it was pretty garbage from a storytelling perspective, especially compared to Loki #3 today which by all rights should be a way worse book.
All New Ultimates will also be introducing me to Cloak and Dagger. Seems like an interesting concept but it sucks that there doesn't seem to be a lot of literature behind the two.
Wait what is the delineating line people are using here between Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate Comics Spider-Man? I don't want Cheska getting confused.
I would agree if there wasn't a metric fuck-tonne of bizarre Ellis dialogue in the issue, though.
The Banks did it, man.
It was literally 3 pages of story stretched out into 20. Moon Knight was completely ineffectual when he finally appeared.
All of those people still died...he did not avenge anything, since un-introduced character number 10 did the killing while Moon Knight, the supposed badass, stands there like a schmuck.
The biggest problem is there wasn't a single strand of anything that a) connected to the great build-up and last panel of the first issue and b) there wasn't a single strand of anything in this issue that I want to see the next issue build off of, either.
I'm sure people will like it anyway, but it was pretty garbage from a storytelling perspective, especially compared to Loki #3 today which by all rights should be a way worse book.
Just out of interest, but do you know Moon Knight's origin story?
I thought the complete opposite, it totally makes sense after #1. After what explained by the doctor at the end of the first issue, I thought
the first few pages of this one were written to make it look like Moon Knight was doing the killing given the descriptions could easily be about him due to him being left for dead in Egypt and his past work as a mercenary.
Textbook Warren Ellis and a lot of people seem to have completely missed this. My favourite book of the week.
The biggest problem is there wasn't a single strand of anything that a) connected to the great build-up and last panel of the first issue and b) there wasn't a single strand of anything in this issue that I want to see the next issue build off of, either.
Uh, dude. Did you not read the text in the white space? The one drawing a pretty heavy-handed parallel between the Sniper and Moon Knight, both mercenaries that have been left for dead and came back for revenge? Do you not see a possible way this might go, considering the Slasher in issue #1 was also a soldier of fortune left for dead trying to come back? There's a thematic link there, of being used by a higher power then disposed of, almost but not quite like having part of your brain possessed by an ancient Egyptian god of Vengeance.
And seriously, goddamn, those first eight pages are just cool.
All New Ultimates will also be introducing me to Cloak and Dagger. Seems like an interesting concept but it sucks that there doesn't seem to be a lot of literature behind the two.
I am very familiar with Moon Knight and have read all of his series, which I suppose is why I don't need Ellis's made up foil characters to understand who Moon Knight is. What did we learn about Moon Knight in this issue other than he glides and throws batarangs?
Uh, dude. Did you not read the text in the white space? The one drawing a pretty heavy-handed parallel between the Sniper and Moon Knight, both mercenaries that have been left for dead and came back for revenge? Do you not see a possible way this might go, considering the Slasher in issue #1 was also a soldier of fortune left for dead trying to come back? There's a thematic link there, of being used by a higher power then disposed of, almost but not quite like having part of your brain possessed by an ancient Egyptian god of Vengeance.
And seriously, goddamn, those first eight pages are just cool.
Of course the issue makes sense thematically, but the first issue told basically the exact same thing in a much more interesting way. The heavy-handedness was what I disliked so much about it. The opening panels did not need to be that long...while a cool idea, it took forever to get to a point that mattered. Awful pacing for focusing on people I don't give a shit about, and shouldn't give a shit about. I will admit the preview panels of
his white cape flying down at a sniper
probably ruined the surprise of the issue for me as well.
Even though there was no possible way Moon Knight was the guy killing the entire group of people who conveniently all work in the same building.
My biggest problem is that it didn't do anything to progress past issue #1. I actually thought this issue would be a way better cold open #1 than a #2 issue. It felt like a holding pattern.
There is a really cool moment where Moon Knight's cape hearkens back to the opening white wash first half of the issue as it cuts diagonally across the panel, though. (Loki #3 had a better panel breaking moment though which actually made me think the issue was misprinted) The art was good (although I hate Moon Knight's face).
I don't want to talk about it anymore because I like Moon Knight so much and he was cool for a couple of pages in this issue. If the popularity of Ellis is what it will take to get a consistently released Moon Knight book then so be it, I guess.
