JonathanEx
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So it looks like someone at Labour HQ is briefing that they've approached Caroline Lucas (Green) to join shadow cabinet. Her office insisting no approach made.
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Corbyn sacks Hilary Benn, Half Shadow cabinet expected to resign today (Labour)
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I really hope they pull this off. We absolutely need to get rid of him now. His leadership tenure has been an utter disaster from start to finish, and he deliberately undermined the Remain campaign to the detriment of the entire country. Labour is in a terrible state and we need a strong opposition - not some mealy mouthed idiot who doesn't have the support of the partys MPs in any way and who plotted against his own party to take us out of the EU.
People shouting "Corbyn in, Tories out" at the rally in Parliament square need their freaking heads examining. He cannot win an election!.
People shouting "Corbyn in, Tories out" at the rally in Parliament square need their freaking heads examining. He cannot win an election!.
i could understand the appeal of trying to make corbyn work in a situation where the tories will be in power till 2020. for people who have been frustrated by the lack of a leader who skews strongly to the left economically and is very critical of western foreign policy, it seems like a unique opportunity to try and move the political sphere of gravity much further to the left. i've felt that this is misguided, i don't think corbyn persuades people and undermines causes i believe in, but i can see that he has a personal charm for many in his lack of regard for the trappings of modern politics and appreciate that others fear him losing power will simply end a once in a lifetime opportunity here.
with an election THIS AUTUMN however it is just pure self-indulgence. anyone who thinks the labour party should be entering a debate about how the country should move forward, one deeply divided on brexit, facing a dramatic change on like seven fronts with zero plan of what to do next, and with the withdrawal of investment due to the fear and uncertainity heading us towards recession...
....with a leader that's considered weak by most of the country, can't even gain the confidence of his own party let alone the country and can't craft a clear message on the eu, is delusional to the extreme.
it's also a gigantic opportunity. brexit means the next prime minister can radically re-shape this country with so much of our legislation having to be re-written and so many of our global relationships having to be re-defined. who do you want to do this. the brexit wing of the conservative party, who will take every opportunity to forget about key workers protections or existing eu investment and actively work to make britain smaller in the world, or take the best opportunity to try and get labour to oversee this properly. corbyn people are very sceptical about the last labour government for being too in hock with the right's economic agenda, but corbyn's immediate replacements are either tom watson or angela eagle both from the LEFT of the party, hardly mandelson. they really aren't tory-lite, let alone the brexit takeover of the tories-lite, this is a huge gulf in our politics at a crucial time and we have to go into it as prepared as we can.
that means corbyn has to go
with an election THIS AUTUMN however it is just pure self-indulgence. anyone who thinks the labour party should be entering a debate about how the country should move forward, one deeply divided on brexit, facing a dramatic change on like seven fronts with zero plan of what to do next, and with the withdrawal of investment due to the fear and uncertainity heading us towards recession...
....with a leader that's considered weak by most of the country, can't even gain the confidence of his own party let alone the country and can't craft a clear message on the eu, is delusional to the extreme.
it's also a gigantic opportunity. brexit means the next prime minister can radically re-shape this country with so much of our legislation having to be re-written and so many of our global relationships having to be re-defined. who do you want to do this. the brexit wing of the conservative party, who will take every opportunity to forget about key workers protections or existing eu investment and actively work to make britain smaller in the world, or take the best opportunity to try and get labour to oversee this properly. corbyn people are very sceptical about the last labour government for being too in hock with the right's economic agenda, but corbyn's immediate replacements are either tom watson or angela eagle both from the LEFT of the party, hardly mandelson. they really aren't tory-lite, let alone the brexit takeover of the tories-lite, this is a huge gulf in our politics at a crucial time and we have to go into it as prepared as we can.
that means corbyn has to go
I don't want us to leave at all - this isn't an opportunity in any way. We already have the loosest workers rights in the EU!
We need a sane Labour party who can actually mount an opposition, both to the Tories but more importantly the Brexit. Right now that's the single issue I will vote / campaign on - and Labour need to step up to the plate. I don't want to hear this gibberish shite about "respect the will of the people" in an election which was so close, which has such ramifications, and where such lies have been uttered that were proven so fast.
The country cannot betray it's young people, and the next generations, in this way. If it does, I honestly don't see how we will ever function again as a nation.
We need a sane Labour party who can actually mount an opposition, both to the Tories but more importantly the Brexit. Right now that's the single issue I will vote / campaign on - and Labour need to step up to the plate. I don't want to hear this gibberish shite about "respect the will of the people" in an election which was so close, which has such ramifications, and where such lies have been uttered that were proven so fast.
The country cannot betray it's young people, and the next generations, in this way. If it does, I honestly don't see how we will ever function again as a nation.
He hasn't lost an election yet
Yeah, reading the updates sounds like it was BAD
The reason things are so bad is that any other leader would have stood down after realising they commanded such little respect amongst their peers. IDS didn't try to cling on like this!
Well said.
Well said.
Jezbollah
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Yep Corbyn addressing the "protest" right now. He sounds like an unconvincing broken record.
If he's leader of Labour in the next election (later this year no doubt), the party will be eviscerated.
Corbyn and his cronies think he is the reincarnation of Lenin, he's just a backbencher who got lucky. Face the fucking music, the man is unelectable. There are millions and millions of people out there who aren't happy with Conservative government and their vote is more important than a few hundred thousand Labour members who will always vote Labour anyway.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Those who want him gone simply have to join the party and attend the meetings on Friday. It is going to ruin the lives of millions if he stays and the party splits.
I know... but then, whats the better option? I'm desperately trying to figure out a way to fix this total fucking mess. I can see no good (now or upcoming) Labour or Cons. leaders to fill the gaps that will appear, be they in leadership or cabinet/shadow cabinet places.
This country is really fucked :/
Yeah, talking about respect, equality, human rights.
What a cunt, he should totally change the record.
That's great. Can't wait to hear the bits about hugs and friendship.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Plenty for the working classes of the north then.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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Thankfully he'll soon be replaced by someone who's racist enough to win middle England
Someone will step up, there must be people in the party who are pragmatic, charismatic and willing to put the party's message out there.
Yeah that's totally it. You live in a 24/7 media cycle where your image is just as important as your message. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER if he is the perfect little socialist. It doesn't fucking matter at all because he can NEVER be elected.
If you live in reality you would accept that. We are in a situation where the country is FUCKED. The Labour party need to be in a position to win the next election to stop the country face planting itself. He is a fucking arrogant cunt if he continues on like this. He has no support from his own party.
Chuka is a guy who comes to mind but hasn't spent enough time in the oven yet....
His party can get fucked until they find someone the membership want to replace him.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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I don't have any great affinity for Corbyn or even the Labour party beyond the fact that he has been one of the only major politicians to outright refuse to pander to xenophobia, and some of his detractors have used that refusal as evidence against him.
Given the current mood in the country, and given that any more stoking up of that sentiment will lead to the good old days of my family getting dogshit through the letter box or worse, I'm not going to get excited about any possible replacement unless they are similarly committed to anti-racism
Dan Jarvis is a xenophobe? you what?
The Labour party needs a leader and a politician.
Billy_Pilgrim
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If Jeremy Corbyn remains, UKIP are going to be the major party in the north and your life will not be worth living in England.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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I have no idea what Dan Jarvis is besides an ex-squaddie, which seems to get certain people excited. As best as I can see his talk on immigration thus far has been of the Very Real Concerns variety which isn't exactly encouraging.
So it's soft racism now to avert hard racism later? What a choice. It's possible to stand up to racism while simultaneously recognising the horrendous state many areas have been left in by previous governments, and developing actual solutions beyond blaming immigrants (probably involving increased public spending which isn't popular on the Labout right). If there's a prospective Labour leader waiting in the wings with that strategy I am all ears
Billy_Pilgrim
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Jeremy Corbyn is not the only non-racist MP in the Labour party. If you think he is, the Labour party isn't for you.
This is descending into Bernie level gymnastics..
edit: in referencing to who youre responding to^
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I expect Joe Hart will be looking for a job shortly, does Corbyn have his number?
These people you are concerned about are racists in the minority and uneducated working class who are easily preyed on by the far right. They will never change. Sitting here with Corbyn singing kumbyah and thinking 'youve confronted it' is not going to get you anywhere. I'm not even white. Your position to me is batshit mental.
The only way to make this work is if you are able to get into power and enact policy that will combat the racism. Create jobs and provide a safety net so the racists just retire away and have less reason to lash out since most of the time it is out of anger and despair.
Corbyn will never achieve any of that because he is totally unelectable in the modern 24/7 news cycle. He inspires no confidence in the typical working class voter. He does not have the support of his own party. He simply can not win an election. He is a total clown to continue this.
Between him and Hillary Ben, I swear Labour want nothing to do with Leeds.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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During the Blair years we had Home Secretary after Home Secretary blowing dogwhistle after dogwhistle. You'll forgive me if I'm reluctant to believe that things have changed that much since then
Billy_Pilgrim
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Corbyn would have to form a cabinet of these racist MPs, so regardless of how you'd feel it would be the same unless you're proposing a dictatorship.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's hilarious how inept and out of touch this guy is but far leftists feel the need to protect him as the last visage of their ideology. All while the country is crashing and burning.
Is this the hippie version of the Player Haters' Ball?
JonathanEx
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One theory is they sidestep him and just recreate the party within the party, and get access to the funding, and freeze him out: https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/746988108999180288
Party split.
If he wins. If he gets on the ballot.
I don't think either is guaranteed - there's a hell of a lot of ex-Corbyn voters right now, and the constituency parties seems to be mobilising against him now.
They should have waited until after the Trident vote (when he'd have less union support) or just waited until after the election.
The coup is as badly timed as you can get (only worthwhile if they were 100% sure he'd resign..and they clearly didn't know him well enough if they thought he would).
Blair and co will likely be torn apart in the Chilcot report in a week or so.....and Corbyn will finally give a full apology for the Iraq war (which he delayed due to Blairites persuading him it would only be fair to wait until the report.I suspect they will regret that now)..and grassroots support will be galvanised behind him more than ever.
All that will happen now is the party will lose more seats under Corbyn in the election than they otherwise would have if they hadn't attempted the coup.
The coup is as badly timed as you can get (only worthwhile if they were 100% sure he'd resign..and they clearly didn't know him well enough if they thought he would).
Blair and co will likely be torn apart in the Chilcot report in a week or so.....and Corbyn will finally give a full apology for the Iraq war (which he delayed due to Blairites persuading him it would only be fair to wait until the report.I suspect they will regret that now)..and grassroots support will be galvanised behind him more than ever.
All that will happen now is the party will lose more seats under Corbyn in the election than they otherwise would have if they hadn't attempted the coup.
Unless Corbyn resigns then we're probably heading towards another split in the Labour Party. Probably the worst thing that could happen to the left ahead of negotiations on the UK's future settlement with the EU.
The ironic thing is that Labour said that this was all about Tory Party unity. Yet the Tories will unite behind their new leader, that seems a very long way off for Labour.
The ironic thing is that Labour said that this was all about Tory Party unity. Yet the Tories will unite behind their new leader, that seems a very long way off for Labour.
Billy_Pilgrim
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It's not in the Tory's interest to hold another General Election, I don't see them doing that. I do agree that UKIP are liable to pick up some Northern Labour seats at the next GE. There's a real danger to Labour that what happened to them in Scotland could happen to them in their Northern heartlands. Even more so if Corbyn stays in charge.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Of course, but holding a GE won't change that. There's no reason for them to hold another (unless they think that they can gain more seats). Personally I think that there will be some kind of compromise on this specific issue. Maybe some kind of "semi-freedom of movement". Afterall, for many Tories (including Boris) the issue is more about sovereignty than immigration, yet for most voters it was the opposite. They need to reconcile those two differing viewpoints.
JonathanEx
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Possibly it'd be to gain seats against a fucked Labour - also motivations could be to have a new manifesto from BoJo to set his own agenda rather than Cameron's. But quite right they have a square peg and a round hole with the sovereignty/immigration concerns that is the big problem...
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