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[Shubh_C63]

As far as we know for 2025 they have:

• Destiny 2: The Edge of Fate expansion (top 1 in preorders for most countries)
• Destiny 2: Renegades expansion (top 1 in preorders for most countries)

How does someone checks the Preorder rank ?
As far as I can tell Steam shows Wishlist rank where Destiny 2 is non existent.

I agree, PS5 is looking strong as we can actually count third party games to be sorta exclusive to PS5 from now on.
Otherwise its 3-4 games in 12 months since 2023.

2020

• Demon's Souls (Remake)
• Spider-Man: Miles Morales
• Astro's Playroom
• Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

2021

• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
• Returnal
• Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade
• Deathloop

2022

• Horizon Forbidden West
• Elden Ring
• God of War Ragnarök
• Gran Turismo 7
• The Last of Us Part I

2023

• Spider-Man 2
• Final Fantasy XVI
• Resident Evil 4 Remake
• Baldur's Gate 3
• Alan Wake 2
• Lies of P

2024

• Helldivers 2
• Stellar Blade
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
• Astro Bot
• Concord

 

[PixelatedBeast]

It will be rather crazy if PS5 can't sell more than PS4 considering Xbox sales imploded and Microsoft shows little interest in selling hardware now. Nintendo does their own thing with the Switch. Right now though it is unclear if PS5 will definitely surpass PS4.

It'll surpass it, but there are a few things going against it that the previous gen didnt have to deal with; a higher price point, mobile gaming more of a competition, and F2P games still having playable servers. When the Ps4 released and 60fps was obtainable, there was no going back to 25 fps on the PS3.

Now that the Switch 2 is $500.00 and the Xbox is $600.00, the Ps5 will seem like more of bargain, but as long as there are F2P and 3rd party games being released for last gen, there will still be a percentage of people who will stick with what they have until they're forced to upgrade. Should expect to see a boost in sales once Rockstar and Naughty Dog release their next games.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I thought the consensus on here (one i don't agree with) is that Sony IS competing with Nintwndo and we have nothing to worry about with playstation as Nintendo will keep Sony in check?

i mean... should i say the ulterior motive?

That framing is similar to saying things like ''MS will become a monopoly if they acquire ABK,'' ''Game Pass will make games worse,'' or ''If Xbox disappears, Sony will raise prices.''

all of the above are things said here....it's just console warring in the form of "concern trolling and appeasement trolling"

I think the switch and ps5 have some cross pollination

that's been the rol of Nintendo's console after the game cube. which has been seen as a "companion" console to the "big boys"

but the target demographic is different imo.

so far yes, it's going to be interesting how well the SW2 performs in the market when they are pushing Third Party games harder this time. the price of hardware and games can make it look like a closer competition to PC handhelds, Portal/Next PSP.

when you think about it. Steam has the strongest position to keep Sony and Nintendo in check. But because the market has consolidated, the biggest risks/competition for these platforms are the drive for expansion itself.

 

[Same ol G]

Sony already raised their console price twice this generation.
They also sell their PS5 games for 80 euro's
I don't know what prices they are gonna raise they are already expensive.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I agree, PS5 is looking strong as we can actually count third party games to be sorta exclusive to PS5 from now on.

Where have I read this before, oh yeah…..

 

[onQ123]

i mean... should i say the ulterior motive?

That framing is similar to saying things like ''MS will become a monopoly if they acquire ABK,'' ''Game Pass will make games worse,'' or ''If Xbox disappears, Sony will raise prices.''

all of the above are things said here....it's just console warring in the form of "concern trolling and appeasement trolling"

Isn't it ironic that the last year or so people on here was trying to push the narrative that without Microsoft directly competing with PlayStation it was going to be bad for the consumer because of lack of competition but Nintendo & Microsoft jumped out ahead of PlayStation with the higher Game prices & Series X is around $100 more than PS5 ( for now)

 

[Shubh_C63]

Where have I read this before, oh yeah…..

Is the guy still banned ? lol
But its true, like GTA6.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

Sony already raised their console price twice this generation.
They also sell their PS5 games for 80 euro's
I don't know what prices they are gonna raise they are already expensive.

What games are they selling for 80.00, outside of deluxe editions or games with pre-order and early access bonuses?

 

[Same ol G]

What games are they selling for 80.00, outside of deluxe editions or games with pre-order and early access bonuses?

I bought monster hunter wilds at mediamarkt for 80 euro's as the most recent game, if you go to the playstation store all the recent games are 80 euro for standard editions.

 

[Fabieter]

I'm not sure why Sony wouldn't do the price increase.

Otherwise, it would crush the competition specifically Microsoft.

Prices have a ceiling, and depending on the product and its price, you might end up making less money overall.

 

[Duchess]

I've made jokes about how GTA6 was delayed at the request of Sony, so they can get PSSR2 ready on Pro, to allow the game to be played at 60fps.

But, honestly, if they were to somehow pull that off the game could retail at £80 and people would happily pay that AND buy a Pro at the same time.

 

[Black_Stride]

What Sony games have come in 2025? Whats coming yet? Ghost of whatever. Then what? They're busy with tv shows and other things not named making games. Least, far as I've seen anyhow.

Seriously does Sony have any big titles confirmed for 2025.
Are there any "i must own a PS5" games on the horizon?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Seriously does Sony have any big titles confirmed for 2025.
Are there any "i must own a PS5" games on the horizon?

Doesn't even matter, does it?

People just want a PS5.

 

[Duchess]

Seriously does Sony have any big titles confirmed for 2025.

Ghost of Yotei is the only one.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

I bought monster hunter wilds at mediamarkt for 80 euro's as the most recent game, if you go to the playstation store all the recent games are 80 euro for standard editions.

Thats in Euros, weaker than the dollar, so of course its going to cost more.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Doesn't even matter, does it?

People just want a PS5.

Maybe until the Switch 2 comes out.

 

[onQ123]

Ghost of Yotei is the only one.

So Death Stranding 2 doesn't exist?

 

[Black_Stride]

Is the guy still banned ? lol
But its true, like GTA6.

He was perm'd

And how is GTA6 even remotely considered a Playstation Exclusive?

Doesn't even matter, does it?

People just want a PS5.

I get what you mean, people want a PS5 to have a PS5, Sony exclusives arent actually the thing pushing its sales?

Ghost of Yotei is the only one.

You think thats a "i must have a PS5" game.
I dunno i havent seen as much hype around Ghost of Yotei even compared to Tsushima.

Like I dont even know the release window for it, is it Sonys Holiday game?

 

[Shubh_C63]

He was perm'd

And how is GTA6 even remotely considered a Playstation Exclusive?

With no PC, and fewer Xbox consoles around AND marketing rights to Sony probably, where do we think that day one 20M sales are going to go ?

For the first year PS5 will be the go-to best place to play GTA6 while Xbox Series S the worst.
Console sales would be...idk 80% to PS5 something like that.

 

[Mozza]

it's not a second wind... it's a long riding wave.

Sony finally WON the true console war. Sega-bye, Nintendo-bye, Xbox-bye. Now Playstation has consolidated itself as the King of the home console market; they finally own that market

The true console war. So I guess you are just ignoring the Switch because it's not a true console lol.

 

[Mozza]

Did they?

Switch was released in 2017 , PS5 was released in 2020 but PS4 was also selling in Switch timeline which would bring us to around 190 million PlayStations sold since 2013

That has to be the best example of moving goalposts I have ever seen. This is why I love NeoGaf so much. Please never ever change.

 

[FoxMcChief]

The true console war. So I guess you are just ignoring the Switch because it's not a true console lol.

It always amazes me how the Sony fans try to act like Nintendo doesn't exist.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Maybe until the Switch 2 comes out.

That's copium. Playstation 5 and Switch 2 will overall keep their own seperate userbases, just like they always had.

I get what you mean, people want a PS5 to have a PS5, Sony exclusives arent actually the thing pushing its sales?

It's always been like that. At least since the PS2-era when Playstation solidified it's position as a worldwide brand.

Exclusives will always matter, but only to a certain extent.
They're part of the sum. The only one that really needed exclusives to be able to compete, was MS and that clearly wasn't enough.

 

[Fafalada]

I hope GTA VI gets announced for Switch 2. Not because I want it; just for the glorious meltdowns.

Nah - the real meltdowns we'll get when next Halo simul-launches on Switch and outsells all the other platforms, and Forza Horizon 8 simul-launches on PS6 and outsells the next Gran Turismo.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nah - the real meltdowns we'll get when next Halo simul-launches on Switch and outsells all the other platforms, and Forza Horizon 8 simul-launches on PS6 and outsells the next Gran Turismo.

Forza outselling Gran Turismo on PS6 when Horizon Zero Dawn alone outsold the entire Forza franchise?

Edit:

Granted, HZD outsold GT7.

But there is no way Forza is going to outsell GT on PS. They won't even break the 10M barrier next-gen.

 

[Mozza]

They will cross 100 million, but beating PS4 at 120 million+ is going to be a big ask, that too after the PS6 is out in 2027.

It seems a long time ago since covid and some on here suggesting Sony could sell as many PS5's as they could make lol.

 

[Mozza]

It always amazes me how the Sony fans try to act like Nintendo doesn't exist.

They only like Nintendo to exist when their consoles are selling low numbers. This why they loved the Wii U.

 

[Black_Stride]

With no PC, and fewer Xbox consoles around AND marketing rights to Sony probably, where do we think that day one 20M sales are going to go ?

For the first year PS5 will be the go-to best place to play GTA6 while Xbox Series S the worst.
Console sales would be...idk 80% to PS5 something like that.

So its exclusive to Playstation but I can play it on Xbox.........hell i can play it on a 150 dollar Series S.
How is that exclusive when it isnt exclusive.......you need to look up what exclusive means mate.

 

[onQ123]

That has to be the best example of moving goalposts I have ever seen. This is why I love NeoGaf so much. Please never ever change.

Take it however you want to. If you compare Switch to PS5 you're leaving off 3 years of sales for PS5 . If you compare PS4 & PS5 to Switch you would also be leaving off 3 years of sales for Switch. I was just placing a mirror in front of the person comparing 8 years of Switch to 4 1/2 years of PS5. So why not go with 11 1/2 years of PlayStation vs 8 years of Switch or or you can go with Wii U + Switch which would be 12 1/2 years of Nintendo consoles vs 11 1/2 years of PlayStation Consoles .

 

[Heisenberg007]

You think Sony isn't going to follow on software prices?

They will, but by then they'd have captured even more market share and destroyed their competitors even more.

Why do you think they announced the $449 PS5 + COD Black Ops 6 bundle even after Xbox's price increase.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Forza outselling Gran Turismo on PS6 when Horizon Zero Dawn alone outsold the entire Forza franchise?

Edit:

Granted, HZD outsold GT7.

But there is no way Forza is going to outsell GT on PS. They won't even break the 10M barrier next-gen.

You give too much importance to bundled games sales.

Maybe I should bring out gamepass player count?

 

[The Cockatrice]

Thank Nvidia for that. Who the fuck can afford a gpu these days anymore to play the bigger titles? the 50 series is hot tier garbage and amd/intel arent that hot either. Not sure if you can find 40 series, but Im glad i bought one 2 years ago. Hopefully it holds me until PS6.

 

[onQ123]

So its exclusive to Playstation but I can play it on Xbox.........hell i can play it on a 150 dollar Series S.
How is that exclusive when it isnt exclusive.......you need to look up what exclusive means mate.

Right now a 1TB Series S is higher priced than a 1TB PS5 DE

 

[Mozza]

Take it how ever you want to. If you compare Switch to PS5 you're leaving off 3 years of sales for PS5 . If you compare PS4 & PS5 to Switch you would also be leaving off 3 years of sales for Switch. I was just placing a mirror in front of the person comparing 8 years of Switch to 4 1/2 years of PS5. So why not go with 11 1/2 years of PlayStation vs 8 years of Switch or or you can go with Wii U + Switch which would be 12 1/2 years of Nintendo consoles vs 11 1/2 years of PlayStation Consoles .

I am not comparing it to both consoles. Sales should be equal. It's funny how nobody would complain if you compared the PS2 sales to the Switch. But then if you compare the PS4 total you are somehow wrong. So you have to employ some strange mental gymnastics and compare the PS4 total plus part of the PS5. Like I said never ever change. The sheer entertainment value provided by some on here is priceless.

 

[Fafalada]

But there is no way Forza is going to outsell GT on PS. They won't even break the 10M barrier next-gen.

FH5 sold 1.5M in 8 days on PS5 - and that's a port of 4 year old game that has also been on GP that entire time.
We don't know 'how much' better that would be had it come out at launch - but those are really big numbers for such an old port.

But anyway - if it wasn't contentious I wouldn't say it would cause meltdowns, that's precisely the point.

 

[awwr999999]

Sony has every incentive to wait as long as possible, kind of similar to the Switch 2, which many people expected to be out 2 years ago.

PS5 is the most advanced controller known to man attached to an extremely boring x86 AMD PC.
The PS5 console is holding back the DualSense while Sony's losing ground to Nintendo.
Nintendo needs to beat the PS2's sales record and Switch is on track to do just that.
If left unchecked, Nintendo will keep selling the Switch until long after it's eradicated the PS2's legacy as the world's best selling console.

The only way Sony can safeguard the PS2's legacy is by selling more PS2s.
Sony can leverage the DualSense by merging it with an upgraded version of their best selling PS2 console.
They could do one big upgrade to the EE+GS, add HDMI along with the PSN and start selling it as the PlayStation 2 DualSense.
New PS2 sales would tack onto the existing PS2 sales and Sony could easily double the PS2's numbers within a decade.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You give too much importance to bundled games sales.

Maybe I should bring out gamepass player count?

And you give too much importance to Xbox fanchises.

Xbox AAA titles compete with Playstation AA.

And we were talking about Forza on PS vs GT.

If you wanna move goalposts, we could also go GP subs vs PS+ subs and in turn hardware sales.

 

[Black_Stride]

Right now a 1TB Series S is higher priced than a 1TB PS5 DE

The 512 is ~150 dollars on FB marketplace and eBay.
Lowest ive seen is 120 dollars.

 

[MrJangles]

Sony are gouging cunts every bit as bad as Nintendo or MS. You only need look at the price of their tv's, electronics etc. They'd rob you blind with the price of the PS and its games if it weren't for the fact it's subsidising most of their other loss making divisions so they have to make very cautious efforts in extracting as much as they can from its deluded fanbase.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

FH5 sold 1.5M in 8 days on PS5 - and that's a port of 4 year old game that has also been on GP that entire time.
We don't know 'how much' better that would be had it come out at launch - but those are really big numbers for such an old port.

Sales will drop off rather quicky, as most buyers will likely be former Xbox fans.

Forza doesn't have the same pull on Playstation as it does on Xbox or PC.
Not yet anyway.

The game being 4 years old is irrelevant, as it's a current-gen release that's completely new to the Playstation userbase.

But anyway - if it wasn't contentious I wouldn't say it would cause meltdowns, that's precisely the point.

It would, but I was just pointing out that it's unrealistic, even as a hypothetical.

 

[Shubh_C63]

So its exclusive to Playstation but I can play it on Xbox.........hell i can play it on a 150 dollar Series S.
How is that exclusive when it isnt exclusive.......you need to look up what exclusive means mate.

That's why I never said exclusive. I said sorta kinda exclusive.
If it was an exclusive we would have a 150page thread already lol

 

[Mozza]

It will be rather crazy if PS5 can't sell more than PS4 considering Xbox sales imploded and Microsoft shows little interest in selling hardware now. Nintendo does their own thing with the Switch. Right now though it is unclear if PS5 will definitely surpass PS4.

Could the core market be shrinking?. It's been at around 180 million consoles for a while now. And with the slight blip on the PS3/360 generation Sony has always had the lions share. Now it could just be a slightly smaller market.

 

[BlackTron]

What about?... i will tell you what about them:

.

That's why I mentioned consolidation. These few poor people who think Nintendo is still competing in the home console market are living in nostalgic times

I saw this coming earlier in the thread in fact I visualized this chart before seeing it posted.

The 3DS was a mildly successful Nintendo portable that sold 80 million. The Wii U was a botched console that only sold 13. I think it is reasonable to guess that if Nintendo made a console that wasn't so dumb, they could do better. They were not simply destined to be fenced out of the market.

The Switch offers a hint at this because it sold 150 so far. You cannot explain all of its sales by simply consolidating Nintendo's "existing" console and handheld markets which only totaled about 90m at the time.

Since there are also so many other portable alternatives like phones and iPads now, it's really hard to completely dismiss Switch's ability to dock as a mere afterthought. I think specifically the ability to switch between both modes is why it sold the extra 60 million units on top of convincing 100 million aging or lapsing Nintendo fans. Docked, ot fulfills the role of a game system on your TV and absolutely prevents families from needing a PlayStation at all just because they already bought one for the back seat. It's competition.

 

[BlackTron]

Did they?

Switch was released in 2017 , PS5 was released in 2020 but PS4 was also selling in Switch timeline which would bring us to around 190 million PlayStations sold since 2013

You realize that in this case, we will just have to choose a date range and count all consoles sold in that range. So will we will count a portion of PS4 with PS5 sales, but you will also need to deal with Switch 2 sales being tacked on to Switch sales when the dust settles.

 

[Black_Stride]

That's why I never said exclusive. I said sorta kinda exclusive.

So NOT exclusive at all.

 

[Kerotan]

PC is rising in popularity, even in japan... that's the new competition.

Secondary competition hence why Sony even put their games on PC although a very late sloppy seconds in most cases.

 

[Shubh_C63]

So NOT exclusive at all.

Do we understand what 'sorta kinda' means ?
~80/100 people still will play on PS5. Would GTA6 if only was releasing on Google Stadia and PS5, would not be considered practically a PS5 exclusive when sales are considered.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

They will, but by then they'd have captured even more market share and destroyed their competitors even more.

Why do you think they announced the $449 PS5 + COD Black Ops 6 bundle even after Xbox's price increase.

Idk anything about any Blops bundle but they have also been selling Astro for that discounted price but either way yes, they will be pulling software prices like everyone else.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Do we understand what 'sorta kinda' means ?
~80/100 people still will play on PS5. Would GTA6 if only was releasing on Google Stadia and PS5, would not be considered practically a PS5 exclusive when sales are considered.

They probably understand fully what sorta kinda means, they're just not understanding why you're applying it to something it doesn't apply to at all.

You can say most people will be playing ____ on PS5, that doesn't make it sorta kinda an exclusive.

 

[Topher]

GAF being called an echo chamber is fucking hilarious to me. Seems like this only happens when the fangirls get upset when something doesn't go their way. Like when the green rats saying this place is too Sony friendly because of the shit MS gets for going third party, or when the Sony ponies can't handle their PS5 being labeled as the worst PlayStation console.

Some people care way too much about companies that don't give a shit about them.

Topher , do you consider this place an echo chamber?

"Echo chamber" is supposed to be a place where there the same points of views are repeated consistently. GAF ain't that. Who are we arguing with all the time if everyone supposedly has the same views?