Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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I feel like self-improvement isn't really making a difference. In the past year I've gotten in shape, got a car, matured a lot (i think, since i lived on my own this summer), etc, all the the things you all suggest.

I really just feel like the image (whatever it is) the women at my school have of me is just beyond repair. I feel invisible to women here but it never really happens a lot anywhere else (home, vacation, beach, etc). I can't wait to graduate and go back to dealing w/ regular people where I at least have a fighting chance.
 
Wow, you just described me! :P

I have absolutely no issue chatting up women (skill has gotten much better since college), but I'll be dammed if I can find one that is into me. It'd be nice to be flirted with once in a while. My issue is the lack of any kind of wingman at all. At 26 I can't just snoop around the bars on my own (weird) so I have little luck so far.
Tell yourself it happens all the time. Believe it. And you don't need a wingman (see my post above). I'm 27 and have no problems with going to bars with friends or alone and women of all ages (sometimes unfortunately) show interest in me. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get dragged to the toilet by a 20 year old girl if it can happen to me, someone who is A WHOLE YEAR older :lol Your insecurities and silly beliefs are holding you back, nothing else.

I feel like self-improvement isn't really making a difference. In the past year I've gotten in shape, got a car, matured a lot (i think, since i lived on my own this summer), etc, all the the things you all suggest.

I really just feel like the image (whatever it is) the women at my school have of me is just beyond repair. I feel invisible to women here but it never really happens a lot anywhere else (home, vacation, beach, etc). I can't wait to graduate and go back to dealing w/ regular people where I at least have a fighting chance.
The first paragraph basically says that you've been doing it for the wrong reasons. I doubt all women at your school have formed their own opinion of you. Unless it's a really small school, how likely is it that all girls have even met or seen you? But if your self-image is bad as your post suggests, you are more than likely projecting that image. But you can change it, always.
 
I feel like self-improvement isn't really making a difference. In the past year I've gotten in shape, got a car, matured a lot (i think, since i lived on my own this summer), etc, all the the things you all suggest.

I really just feel like the image (whatever it is) the women at my school have of me is just beyond repair. I feel invisible to women here but it never really happens a lot anywhere else (home, vacation, beach, etc). I can't wait to graduate and go back to dealing w/ regular people where I at least have a fighting chance.

I thought you followed the ways of the based god. You must love yourself before you get a bitch that you can sacrifice to lil b.
 
Is he dead? :O

He hugged the wrong girl.

Lol nah, but I don't like the guy. So that's why I said "knew". He's a douche.

Also! Today is date night, again. First date with a girl I met about a week ago at my birthday party. We've been chatting a bunch though so I'm pretty comfortable talking to her, and just really lookin forward to seeing her again.
 
That's just bold enough to work sometimes, but be careful because that can totally come off as douchey real easily. Trust me. I knew a guy.

So... what? What does douchey even mean? Being someone who wants to achieve stuff?

I did it again today and the girl liked it, the girls that don't are not likable anyway so whatever.
 
There's so much wrong with this post :( You really need to get your mind out of the gutter. Your thinking is completely backwards.

I was afraid I'd come off as needy and putting relationships up on a pedestal. I'm actually quite content with my life right now, I enjoy school, I enjoy studying and my time alone because I can compose music. I like going to the gym daily to relieve any stress and works great as my "me" time. However, not just me, but anyone else with a similar lifestyle must admit that things can become a bit stale and perhaps repetitive.

All I'm looking for is a change of scenery, a new experience. Dating women would be a new experience for me, and I've noticed that talking to women brings out different qualities in me that would otherwise remain hidden if I was to remain secluded and alone.
 
I really just feel like the image (whatever it is) the women at my school have of me is just beyond repair. I feel invisible to women here but it never really happens a lot anywhere else (home, vacation, beach, etc). I can't wait to graduate and go back to dealing w/ regular people where I at least have a fighting chance.

Completely wrong approach.

There is no better time for dating / finding someone to date / figuring out how relationships work than college. You're surrounded by people your own age, all working towards a better future for themselves. A lot of people actually look for potential husbands/wives while in college. I know quite a few people who met their spouse in college.
 
So... what? What does douchey even mean? Being someone who wants to achieve stuff?

I did it again today and the girl liked it, the girls that don't are not likable anyway so whatever.

Slow your roll buddy, I didn't say that's how you sounded or were acting. I'm saying it could. If it's working, then you're fine.

And there are many ways to "achieve stuff".

Regardless, keep doing what's working for you.
 
There is no better time for dating / finding someone to date / figuring out how relationships work than college. You're surrounded by people your own age, all working towards a better future for themselves. A lot of people actually look for potential husbands/wives while in college. I know quite a few people who met their spouse in college.
I'm 31 years old in my first semester of college, and I am conflicted in what I should do. There is a girl I'm really interested in, but I suspect she is 18/19 years old. I don't think she knows my age. Ugh, so conflicted. I keep my distance, but I really want to get to know her.

Then there is another young girl that just stares at me in two of my classes. She reminds me of my sister, so I am put off by it. My English teacher also checks me out, for some reason. I also learned that just because a girl smiles at you, she's not actually attracted to you, she's just being friendly.

Should I just go for it or should I just avoid the situation altogether? I just don't know what to do!
 
There is no better time for dating / finding someone to date / figuring out how relationships work than college. You're surrounded by people your own age, all working towards a better future for themselves. A lot of people actually look for potential husbands/wives while in college. I know quite a few people who met their spouse in college.

Not my technical college. Every student in my class is male. Average age for the school is like 30+. It's a commutter school so no dorms. Most girls are pregnant or have kids. Or speak mostly Spanish.

That's why I can't wait till I graduate next December and go to a real state university to meet the womenz! But I dunno what to do in the meantime, I don't wanna waste a year of my youth not dating :(

EDIT: I am going to a bar with an older lady tonight though. Wish me luck guys/gals!
 
Goddammit I made the mistake of asking the girl I really like to be in my final project group, this was before I asked her out and she said yes but then cancelled. I've met a lot of girls at this school and while I may have found a lot of them attractive I quickly forgot about them and moved on to the next, but with this girl it's different. She's constantly in my mind and I've been trying to forget about her but I have to see her when we work on our project and it just fucking sucks. I'm not making that mistake again.
 
Goddammit I made the mistake of asking the girl I really like to be in my final project group, this was before I asked her out and she said yes but then cancelled. I've met a lot of girls at this school and while I may have found a lot of them attractive I quickly forgot about them and moved on to the next, but with this girl it's different. She's constantly in my mind and I've been trying to forget about her but I have to see her when we work on our project and it just fucking sucks. I'm not making that mistake again.
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's not like you guys had an awkward one night stand or anything. You just asked her out.
 
Goddammit I made the mistake of asking the girl I really like to be in my final project group, this was before I asked her out and she said yes but then cancelled. I've met a lot of girls at this school and while I may have found a lot of them attractive I quickly forgot about them and moved on to the next, but with this girl it's different. She's constantly in my mind and I've been trying to forget about her but I have to see her when we work on our project and it just fucking sucks. I'm not making that mistake again.

Turn it around and show her how you are an awesome fun guy while interacting with others (pay little attention to her, as if you asking her out and cancelling was not a big deal). It was her loss anyways and she blew her one chance. Don't make it awkward.
 
Turn it around and show her how you are an awesome fun guy while interacting with others (pay little attention to her, as if you asking her out and cancelling was not a big deal). It was her loss anyways and she blew her one chance. Don't make it awkward.

Yeah unless she was actively mean to you, ya dont want to bring up that she flaked/cancelled.
 
She says she sees spirits and demons and stuff and she can't be with someone who doesn't believe her because she doesn't want to feel crazy.

I don't believe in that stuff :unsure:

Didnt really respond to her but I guess I have to :(
 
She says she sees spirits and demons and stuff and she can't be with someone who doesn't believe her because she doesn't want to feel crazy.

I don't believe in that stuff :unsure:

Didnt really respond to her but I guess I have to :(

One of those demons or spirits is going to tell her to kill you. GET OUT.
 
Also she's trans
Which I never could have imagined myself getting into before we started but I guess I eased into it
But lots and lots of baggage
 
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's not like you guys had an awkward one night stand or anything. You just asked her out.

Yeah it's not about the whole situation being awkward, it's actually not, I'm just trying to forget about her since I really like this girl and seeing her doesn't help.

Turn it around and show her how you are an awesome fun guy while interacting with others (pay little attention to her, as if you asking her out and cancelling was not a big deal). It was her loss anyways and she blew her one chance. Don't make it awkward.

I'm not making it awkward, what I meant to say was that I've avoided seeing her and talking to her because I'm trying to forget about her, but since we're in the same group for the project I had to see her and I talked to her and I really enjoy talking to her and being with her and it seems like she enjoys being with me but I can't really tell if she likes me or not, so I'm just trying to forget about her just in case.

Yeah unless she was actively mean to you, ya dont want to bring up that she flaked/cancelled.

She wasn't mean about it, she just said that she was too busy with school and the she still wanted to go out after finals were over but I just took it as a no.
 
Ugh, what's the best way to let a girl know that I don't want a second date without hurting her feelings too much? Do I not respond to any of her texts or do I straight up tell her I have no interest?

I had a nice date tonight, but she's not what I'm looking for. I am incapable of coming off like a douche on a date even when I know it's not something I want to pursue. I think this makes some of the girls think that I want to go out a second time. With that said, I never act on their hints to go out again, nor do I promise to call them or text them later. I just say that I had a nice time and then fade away. Is there a better way to do this? Or should I be a prick and cut the date short? I usually finish the dinner and then just go home. I've been doing a lot of online dating recently and I keep running into this situation. It's so much easier when there is a mutual non-interest.
 
Our date last night was really really great! We had an awesome time together, and even have several more dates planned going forward! :)

What's crazy was the amount of little random things that we have in common that would just pop up in conversation. Every time it happened it was just like "what!?" Haha. Was awesome.
 
She says she sees spirits and demons and stuff and she can't be with someone who doesn't believe her because she doesn't want to feel crazy.

I don't believe in that stuff :unsure:

Didnt really respond to her but I guess I have to :(
More information needed. I assume that if she's trans she has a therapist, has she shared it with them?
 
Did anyone here encounter the situation of strong parental disapproval? I don't mean, like, disliking the person, I mean like...
Well, here's the situation, I live in Israel and was born to a Jewish family, for the last two-three weeks I've begun dating a Palestinian born to a Muslim family. I really like her and it's really going great.
So, I usually don't tell my parents anything about anyone I'm dating (unless it's serious), but my mother sort of found out about this through my brother and now she's freaked out. My father is more okay with it, but I can tell he's less than happy.

So, I really think this could turn into something serious, but I don't want to feel like my parents are a problem. My parents are usually fairly liberal, so I really didn't expect it to be as big of a problem as it has become. Anyone here had to deal with something like this?
 
Holy shit, I never once thought there'd be another Poly student on GAF. I have considered going to the Salsa class, I'm actually quite good at dancing Salsa so it'd give me a chance to hone my dancing "skills", and I actually have a class in that exact room. I have to the farmer's market a few times, but going by yourself is a bit weird, so I stopped going.

You are right, there's a lot of pretty girls in SLO, but you have to agree that the majority of them are at least 5'7"-5'8" and if they wear heels then that pretty much disqualifies me. Also, not to sound racially misinformed but the majority of the girls in SLO are Caucasian, and I've rarely seen a Caucasian girl going out with a Hispanic dude, though I can look a bit Mediterranean if I stay away from the sun for a few days, I personally don't care about ethnicity when it comes to dating.

I'm actually not shy around women, and I have no problems approaching them(well, to a certain extent), but I just have this damn annoying attitude that I'm not a good looking guy, and while I'm very confident about my personality and sense of humor, there also has to be a physical attraction in order for a woman to be really "into you". But yeah man, I don't mind hanging out with a 31-year old at all, I'm definitely going out after finals are over next week if you're interested.

Too be fair I'm not a student anymore. I graduated from Poly around 7 years ago, but I still live near by. Cal Poly from my memory was mostly whites and asians. Bunch of < 5' 4" shorties in Santa Maria if that's what you're looking for. SM has a high Hispanic population. I believe it's something like 75%, so I'm sure they'd be cool with a Hispanic guy. I'll pm you my info a bit later if you want to do something next week.
 
Went with my friend to her best friends bday party (had one the previous day so it was just me her, her friend and her BF) and we had a great time, played Dance Central and Plants vs Zombies. We drive to my place and have about a 5 hour conversation about everything going on in our lives, our past and ect and just have a legitimate talk which neither of have had in awhile. Anyways we start talking about how our friends keep thinking we are dating and then I just ask her if she wants to go out and then she replies with a "Don't you think that's obvious" and then holds onto me. Then we made a deal how we will not tell any of our friends until one of them finds out lol

I am pretty damn happy right now :)
 
More information needed. I assume that if she's trans she has a therapist, has she shared it with them?
Yeah she does though I don't know what she shares.
She's also universalist. Told her I don't believe either of those things expecting her to break it off but nope, she was just "well nevermind we still shouldn't break up."

I don't know... I don't care if my partner believes different things than me but Universalism is pretty irrational IMO.

Also I'm a Christian so even though I don't necessarily believe she sees spirits I can at least allow for the possibility of it. The universalist thing is the bigger issue, plus the fact she's so attached to her beliefs that she refuses to hear anything to the contrary. That's the worst part.

But every couple has things they agree to disagree on right?
 
Man i'm confused here help me out here folks.

So this wednessday me and my friend go out and we meet two Romanian girls(we're in Belgium they are here to study for a couple of months)

So we partner up and both chat-up the girl we're interested in, things go pretty smooth and in the end we're dancing very closely, faces next to each other, i tried to kiss but she kinda gives me the cheek the whole time. I end up kissing her neck a bit then while she's holding me while we're dancing. Okay we only just met pretty normal to not want to kiss.

So this continues abit until the whole bar is just empty and we decide to go home and meet again this saturday.


So saturdaynight comes, we meet up at a bar, have some drinks, me and her sit in a sofa kind of thing, she puts her head on my shoulder and we're holding hands, i think okay cool. This goes on for a bit, and we end up dancing again, holding each other, and i try to kiss her again and it just seems she doesnt want to. I really dont know what to make of this, does she want to be cuddly/handholding friends or something like that?

I asked her out on a date this week so that i can spend some time with just her and me, and she said yes and pretty happy about it, but i dont want to go on a non kiss date, i mean, i can handle no sex for a while but this is going to be third time we'll see each other. Are they prude in Romania or something like that?
 
Slow your roll buddy, I didn't say that's how you sounded or were acting. I'm saying it could. If it's working, then you're fine.

And there are many ways to "achieve stuff".

Regardless, keep doing what's working for you.

Sorry dude, didn't mean to sound angry/offended. Text is a terrible tool for communication sometimes.
 
Raiden: You're gonna have to talk to her, not us :) I doubt being prude is part of the general Romanian gene pool xD Chances are that she's not really single, but might be soon perhaps. A very similar thing happened to me a month back or so. She was/is clearly into me and I've been to second base with her without passing first base with the exact same behavior. By the second time I met her, it was obvious that something was off and she later told me that night that she has a boyfriend that treats her badly and she really liked the attention she got from me.
Then I met him. Complete drunkard douche and she with her girl friend invited me to join the three of them at an after party at her apartment. Talk about next level of awkwardness xD I didn't go, and I've barely heard from her since.
 
Raiden: You're gonna have to talk to her, not us :) I doubt being prude is part of the general Romanian gene pool xD Chances are that she's not really single, but might be soon perhaps. A very similar thing happened to me a month back or so. She was/is clearly into me and I've been to second base with her without passing first base with the exact same behavior. By the second time I met her, it was obvious that something was off and she later told me that night that she has a boyfriend that treats her badly and she really liked the attention she got from me.
Then I met him. Complete drunkard douche and she with her girl friend invited me to join the three of them at an after party at her apartment. Talk about next level of awkwardness xD I didn't go, and I've barely heard from her since.

I doubt she has a boyfriend, we actually talked about it, they broke up when she told him she's moving to Belgium for a couple of months, but hey you never know.

It's just a very weird experience, like the "stuff" we did usually that follows after you made out or whatever. Ah well im seeing her again this wednessday to eat pancakes and then we have our "date" i'll see what happens then.

Very confusing, i mean im not talking about friendly hugs here, we walked around arm in arm, held hands(god it does sound stupid explaining this), stared in each others eyes for long moments, not the friendly friendzone stuff.

I remember asking her in a jokingly way why she didnt want to kiss me, and she told me something that we only just met, and what would happen if we kiss. I also told her at the end of the night that one of these days i'll kiss her, and she just smiled and said "maybe".

Cant really read that one.

Edit; Have to mention i would have probally just let it go if she didnt seem to be happy about going on a date with me.
 
Went with my friend to her best friends bday party (had one the previous day so it was just me her, her friend and her BF) and we had a great time, played Dance Central and Plants vs Zombies. We drive to my place and have about a 5 hour conversation about everything going on in our lives, our past and ect and just have a legitimate talk which neither of have had in awhile. Anyways we start talking about how our friends keep thinking we are dating and then I just ask her if she wants to go out and then she replies with a "Don't you think that's obvious" and then holds onto me. Then we made a deal how we will not tell any of our friends until one of them finds out lol

I am pretty damn happy right now :)

That's awesome dude, best of luck.
 
Just got home, we talked for about two and a half hours. I had lots of fun and I'm thinking she did too. (She wouldn't hang around that long otherwise...right?) And she was playing with her hair a lot. I'm thinking I'm gonna call her tonight and see if she wants to go on a second date...I don't really buy into the three day rule nonsense.
 
Just got home, we talked for about two and a half hours. I had lots of fun and I'm thinking she did too. (She wouldn't hang around that long otherwise...right?) And she was playing with her hair a lot. I'm thinking I'm gonna call her tonight and see if she wants to go on a second date...I don't really buy into the three day rule nonsense.

Definitely don't buy into the 3 day rule. Do what you think is right and are comfortable with. Everyone, and every couple, is different.
 
Man i'm confused here help me out here folks.

So this wednessday me and my friend go out and we meet two Romanian girls(we're in Belgium they are here to study for a couple of months)

So we partner up and both chat-up the girl we're interested in, things go pretty smooth and in the end we're dancing very closely, faces next to each other, i tried to kiss but she kinda gives me the cheek the whole time. I end up kissing her neck a bit then while she's holding me while we're dancing. Okay we only just met pretty normal to not want to kiss.

So this continues abit until the whole bar is just empty and we decide to go home and meet again this saturday.


So saturdaynight comes, we meet up at a bar, have some drinks, me and her sit in a sofa kind of thing, she puts her head on my shoulder and we're holding hands, i think okay cool. This goes on for a bit, and we end up dancing again, holding each other, and i try to kiss her again and it just seems she doesnt want to. I really dont know what to make of this, does she want to be cuddly/handholding friends or something like that?

I asked her out on a date this week so that i can spend some time with just her and me, and she said yes and pretty happy about it, but i dont want to go on a non kiss date, i mean, i can handle no sex for a while but this is going to be third time we'll see each other. Are they prude in Romania or something like that?

It could be a lot of things, your breath stinks, your lips are dry, she's a lesbian that still likes getting courted by men for free drinks/fun/etc...could be a bunch of things, but what you should immediately stop doing is trying to kiss her. You wanna take her out, that's fine, but don't try to kiss her anymore, don't even be affectionate, just hang out and see where it goes and see if she tries to get physical with YOU instead.

It also helps if you're banging someone else, too, that way you won't act desperate for some physical attention. Maybe masturbate before you go?
 
Raiden: Since you've already asked her (not the greatest idea but at least she kind of answered) I'd say back down a bit and let her get more comfy around you. If she is scared of the consequences of kissing you, she's not telling the whole truth. Let her chase you now.

Edit: MVP got it right.
 
I doubt she has a boyfriend, we actually talked about it, they broke up when she told him she's moving to Belgium for a couple of months, but hey you never know.

It's just a very weird experience, like the "stuff" we did usually that follows after you made out or whatever. Ah well im seeing her again this wednessday to eat pancakes and then we have our "date" i'll see what happens then.

Very confusing, i mean im not talking about friendly hugs here, we walked around arm in arm, held hands(god it does sound stupid explaining this), stared in each others eyes for long moments, not the friendly friendzone stuff.

I remember asking her in a jokingly way why she didnt want to kiss me, and she told me something that we only just met, and what would happen if we kiss. I also told her at the end of the night that one of these days i'll kiss her, and she just smiled and said "maybe".

Cant really read that one.

Edit; Have to mention i would have probally just let it go if she didnt seem to be happy about going on a date with me.

MVP already hit the nail on the head.

I don't see anything weird with her behavior really. You trying to kiss her all over the day you met...that was more on the weird side.

Take it easy, obviously she's not into rushing into things, so you need to got at HER pace. Don't keep trying to bring her up to your pace.
 
It could be a lot of things, your breath stinks, your lips are dry, she's a lesbian that still likes getting courted by men for free drinks/fun/etc...could be a bunch of things, but what you should immediately stop doing is trying to kiss her. You wanna take her out, that's fine, but don't try to kiss her anymore, don't even be affectionate, just hang out and see where it goes and see if she tries to get physical with YOU instead.

It also helps if you're banging someone else, too, that way you won't act desperate for some physical attention. Maybe masturbate before you go?

Sound advice, i'll back off on the physical stuff. But im pretty sure my breath and lips are a-okay, so its not that :p
MVP already hit the nail on the head.

I don't see anything weird with her behavior really. You trying to kiss her all over the day you met...that was more on the weird side.

Take it easy, obviously she's not into rushing into things, so you need to got at HER pace. Don't keep trying to bring her up to your pace.

Well i was not trying to kiss her every given chance, just when our eyes locked and faces were about 1 inch from each other, you know those moments you're pretty sure this is it. Its not like im pushing my head into her face.

She just confirmed for wednessday so i'll just act normal and ease up.


Raiden: Since you've already asked her (not the greatest idea but at least she kind of answered) I'd say back down a bit and let her get more comfy around you. If she is scared of the consequences of kissing you, she's not telling the whole truth. Let her chase you now.

Edit: MVP got it right.

Well she seemed kinda excited about that date, asking me when and what we're going to do and all, so i dont think that was a bad idea, also i'll see her alone then and not with her friend and mine.
 
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