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DC Universe Rebirth Begins This May
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Razgriz-Specter
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Man where does Cass go after Eternal?
Kinda doubt she would be in BoP in addition to Barbara, Steph, Harper, Canary and possibly a Huntress and Katana.
Wouldn't mind her as a full-time sidekick to Batman in Batman though. Bring back that adoption plot.
Her and Damian in Teen Titans could be interesting.
Red Hood is the only other option I see.
Kinda doubt she would be in BoP in addition to Barbara, Steph, Harper, Canary and possibly a Huntress and Katana.
Wouldn't mind her as a full-time sidekick to Batman in Batman though. Bring back that adoption plot.
Her and Damian in Teen Titans could be interesting.
Red Hood is the only other option I see.
BKatastrophe
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Superman For All Seasons...got some tears welling up...best Superman story. Fucking fight me.
Dick's design in that game is so bad. Why'd they step back from AC, I will never now.Some look more ass than others. The Batman Inc skin looks quite good IMO:
While the New 52 one has too many lines on it for my liking.
That design is just good.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Is Capullo staying on in Batman, or have they announced whos taking over writing and the art?
aussiedude08
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I think he has said he is doing something with Mark Miller. dont know how long it will be or if he will be back at DC.
BossDarkseid
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He's doing a project with Millar for 6 issues but Capullo hasn't started on it yet, he's just finished Ish 50 of Batman. He's said he's got nothing but good things to say about his time at DC and he and Snyder have more Batman stories to tell. There are rumors that Snyder is going to Detective and Sean Murphy will join him on art, at least for an arc. I would imagine unless Snyder and Capullo have a falling out they'll be working at DC together in a year or so.
aussiedude08
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We can hope Capullo and Snyder do a book together again. They both deserve a break but would love they to do more, Snyder has said he as a Joker story that he wants to do but i think he also said it was non canon.
I thought Snyder debunked the rumor of moving back to Detective comics.
Snyder and Capullo have already said they have a new DC book in the works after Capullo finishes his Millar book. I believe the quote was that it's bigger than Batman, which led to speculation they were going to take over Justice League (the timeline doesn't match up for that though).
Join the future...
and wait for digital trades
Man I can't wait to see Capullo's supposed brand-new redesign of the Bat suit. I was wondering if it was gonna be leaked by issue 51/52 but it seems like they might leave it until post-Rebirth.
New 52 suit could be worse but was a massive step back compared to the great Batman Incorporated costume. I am a yellow oval man, and I hate how it got replaced with lines and little bad kneepads.
Plus the New 52 suit looks like ass in the Arkham games.
Yeah, Batman Inc had the best Batman suit so far. It's the only one I play as in Arkham City.
Outside of Superman's Action Comics suit, most New 52 redesigns are rather weak; looking more like toys than real things.
Just give Cass, Harper, and Steph their own book.
And can we finally give Tim Drake his own god damn book? No, Batman Beyond and Teen Titans do not count.
And do... what? Be another Bat-clone book with no meaningful tone of his own? Tim is the 'yes man' of the Bat family. Teen Titans give him something where his skills stand out among the group, and Beyond atleast gives him a unique angle to tackle. Even in his Red Robin solo pre-N52, he still feels like he's there just to contrast other people who show up. He's never felt like the draw. He's there to have a Robin who isn't a smart-ass or a screw-up, all to back up someone else.
And yet when Jim Lee draws the classic Superman it still looks better than when he draws him in the costume he designed
Even with the red underwear handicap, this is easily the best looking Superman from the last page. Hate the pointless, unnecessary lines on the new costume
LiveFromKyoto
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Happy that they're going back to Action & Detective's original numbering. I hate it when publishers throw away decades of tradition just for a gimmick #1 sales boost.
Cautiously optimistic for Blue Beetle #1.
Cautiously optimistic for Blue Beetle #1.
BossDarkseid
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Having had time to sleep on it....then creative teams permitting I'd be interested in...
Aquaman
Batman
Flash
Green Lanterns
Superman
Titans
Wonder Woman
Action Comics
Detective Comics
Batgirl & The Birds of Prey
Justice League
Nightwing
Blue Beetle
Cyborg
Earth 2
Teen Titans
Trinity
Gotham Academy...
Welp. *starts saving the pennies*
From the creatives talking on Twitter about Rebirth...everyone seems to suggest they're excited about Rebirth because Johns is in control of it and he's been talking to them for months about a multi-year plan...*sees the shade thrown at Didio Comics*.
Aquaman
Batman
Flash
Green Lanterns
Superman
Titans
Wonder Woman
Action Comics
Detective Comics
Batgirl & The Birds of Prey
Justice League
Nightwing
Blue Beetle
Cyborg
Earth 2
Teen Titans
Trinity
Gotham Academy...
Welp. *starts saving the pennies*
From the creatives talking on Twitter about Rebirth...everyone seems to suggest they're excited about Rebirth because Johns is in control of it and he's been talking to them for months about a multi-year plan...*sees the shade thrown at Didio Comics*.
NeonZ
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The last few revealed covers seem to show the original New 52 suit coming back, but that's still pre-Rebirth, we might get something else with the relaunch.
I never got the story logic of that redesign. "Your Kryptonian armor was trashed, aside from the cape... so here's a cloth suit that kind of resembles it!"
CoIEs itself was planned years in advance, but it's fairly easy to see that the reboot wasn't. At the end of Crisis, you've got, for example, Pre-Crisis Superman in the unified Earth. The average people remember some rebooted story, but the heroes all remember the original timeline, and even the rebooted story seemed to be mostly the same just without the multiple worlds. That status quo also is followed up even in the various comics at the time, like Superman's solo for example. But all that then suddenly gets completely thrown away a few months later with no big crisis around it, with the Pre-Crisis Superman and characters around him suddenly being replaced by their Post-Crisis versions months after the Crisis had already ended.
It's similar to what happened to Flashpoint. Flashpoint itself was planned, but it's clear that the reboot was just something they threw in at the last minute that had nothing to do with the story of the Flashpoint series itself aside from the final few pages of the final issue.
Simply Sarah
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Yeah, this wouldn't shock me in the least.
Well, let's be fair here. There are drawbacks to massive numbering for people not already deep into comics. It can be intimidating. It also can make it hard for people to know where to start. I think there can be a balance between Marvel yearly #1s and issue numbers in 900s. One idea I've seen suggested is to have both an overall number and a volume number, which honestly might be confusing but probably no more than having multiple #1s to start with.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The COIE story was planned years in advance, but they made it a reboot at the last second. It was originally just supposed to be a 50 year anniversary story.
John Byrne says when they originally hired him to do Superman, he wasn't supposed to be rebooting it. He was just hired to be the regular writer and they made him do all the reboot stuff at the 11th hour.
This too! Also the fact that they didn't reboot everything at the same time. Batman came a few months after Superman and Green Lantern came years later IIRC.
BossDarkseid
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Ah ok, cheers for the info. I had no idea about the rest of it. At least from the creatives pov this seems to be fairly well planned.
I've gone through like 5 different scenarios trying to make sense of this and I still can find out one that either makes sense or isn't batshit insane.
Edit: The best thing I could think of is that Bats is riding his bike, Barry is running, WW, Hal, and Cyborg are flying (can Cyborg fly?), Aquaman is flopping, and Superman is flying like an asshole.
Or Flash is running up something and Batman has a zero g bike and I still don't know what the hell Aquaman is doing. Jumping?
Spike Spiegel
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DC used a dual-numbering system years ago, one for the overall publication number and one for the group release number in that year.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Is it safe to touch N52 now
Poodlestrike
Banned
LiveFromKyoto
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I mean, what you say must be true to some degree since #1s will always get bigger sales (which tend to quickly revert to the mean). But unless you've been reading comics since 1936 (or only started in the last 4 years), everyone who was ever a Marvel/DC comics reader jumped in at a high number. It never stopped comics from being big during the boom years - it was just the opposite, it lent an air of legitimacy to the books with high numbers.
Marvel did this years ago, when they soft rebooted Thunderbolts but kept the original numbering in faded numbers beside it. They used it for other series as well afterwards.
Schweinehund
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I'd like to see them remove the lines off Shazam's costume, quit doing the weird thing going on with his emblem (just make it straight yellow), and give back the sash. I prefer the cloak-cape over his usual half cape.
Basically this but a sash.
I've always dug armor on superman. I don't care if it's redundant. This looks cool. I dug Zod's armor in man of steel. I don't think there's that much wrong with his new 52 armor, I'm against red underwear. JRJR's Superman linked earlier is good except the weird gloves hand glove things.
WW is great like this. Would not change anything.
I actually don't mind Aquaman's current look. Cyborg looks great in his ongoing. Capullo is already designing a new Batman costume. Flash is timeless.
Simply Sarah
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I mean, what you say must be true to some degree since #1s will always get bigger sales (which tend to quickly revert to the mean). But unless you've been reading comics since 1936 (or only started in the last 4 years), everyone who was ever a Marvel/DC comics reader jumped in at a high number. It never stopped comics from being big during the boom years - it was just the opposite, it lent an air of legitimacy to the books with high numbers.
Marvel did this years ago, when they soft rebooted Thunderbolts but kept the original numbering in faded numbers beside it. They used it for other series as well afterwards.
Oh, I think using #1s as a direct sales boost method is a terrible idea and causes more harm than good in the long run. It's disruptive and can easily let people drop a book. That said, just because something is the way it was always done doesn't mean it is the best way. For things like Action and Detective Comics the old numbering makes sense just because of their history, but for a lot of newer stuff I don't think it's nearly as important.
LiveFromKyoto
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Sure, I can agree with that. Things that haven't been around that long or things that are really targeted at younger readers like Teen Titans don't benefit from having higher numbers, for differing reasons. And some things like Moon Knight have had so many different series and confusing status quos over the years that it's probably best to just discard them and let the new thing be the thing.
Father_Brain
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Given that we know next to nothing about the creative side of Rebirth, and that this is coming only a year after a relaunch that was its complete opposite in every way, I'm not sure why you'd make such a generous assumption.
Schweinehund
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It's not explicitly stated, but a good portion of the DCYou titles had an ending storyline arc in the may solicits. I'm guessing they had had rebirth in the cards well before convergence. I don't think it's a coincidence that many of the DCYou titles were set to end at #12.
Simply Sarah
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I think it's more that contracts were for 12 issues and renewal would go from there. As such stories would need to be written with the ability to end after 12 issues.
DC used a dual-numbering system years ago, one for the overall publication number and one for the group release number in that year.
I loved that. Especially for characters that spanned multiple titles with connecting storylines.
Make that suit blue and ditch the glowing shoulders and weird lines and I think that'd be fine too. Something like this:
The Smallville season 11 suit was good too. Basically, while I'd be fine with the classic look returning I think there are many good looking modern designs, the first N52 one just isn't one of them.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
This so much. To me the biggest casualties of the relaunch were Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Barbara Gordon. Fuck cant forget about Wally West either. DC shitting on their history made me just say fuck em.
And I was a huge DC fanboy prior to New 52.
AgentOtaku
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Looks like I'm jumping back into comics this may!
Couldn't keep up with New52 so I'm actually excited about this and Action/Detective going back to original numbering.... Never sat well with me that they specifically reboot that
Couldn't keep up with New52 so I'm actually excited about this and Action/Detective going back to original numbering.... Never sat well with me that they specifically reboot that
I'm not explaining kf it's ridiculous.
Poodlestrike
Banned
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It's gonna be a PR nightmare if DC gets rid of black Wally for white Wally.
Poodlestrike
Banned
They'd need to be doing something with black Wally before they could get rid of him for white Wally.
Weird hope: KF is now KF-era pre-Flashpoint Wally, Flash is now Nu52 Wally.
NUTHIN BUT WALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I propose a new bi-monthly series: Wally World.
The cross-promotion potential with Walmart is limitless. Limitless!
BKatastrophe
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I don'g see what's wrong with that system. I liked it when Marvel did it, tooDC used a dual-numbering system years ago, one for the overall publication number and one for the group release number in that year.
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flaxknuckles
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wallywallywallywallywallywallyworrrrrldd!
Hopefully I miss my boy.
Corpsepyre
Banned
It sucks they didn't continue Animal Man. Really under-rated character.
Animal man was so good but I didn't give him a chance until after he got cancelled.
I disagree
The Michael Keaton costume honestly looks more appropriate for that game's Gotham than the main costume does.
Truer words have never been spoken.
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