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DC Universe Rebirth Begins This May
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Schweinehund
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More like an infinite crisis style situation it seems.
I feel like the minority when I say I don't care about long term continuity. I don't read these stories for some long term pay off, I just enjoy the arcs as I read them. I mean it's cool to have a universe where character changes are reflected and it feels like it's a living world, but if it came down to it, I'd rather have the story the writer wanted to tell than having to conform to whatever editorial wants to do. I think that is why there's so many great else word and non canon stories, because the writers have more freedom to do what they want.
So extreme for no reason
The fuck?
I really liked Kon and never followed the N52 character much, this sounds terrible.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
It is terrible.
Sibersk Esto
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People give new 52 superboy guff when shit like Bar Torr Kid Flash exists
DonasaurusRex
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Aye tis a puzzling script he be using to spell the Damien Wayne spawn of hate from the 5th dimension.
DonasaurusRex
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.......im one more stupid ass choice from never again DC...you pushed me to the fucking edge with what you did to the Main Man..............I did not need to know this....
I take a rather meta view of continuity, it all happened for me. For example, the characters may not remember Death of superman the way it originally happened (or at all) but it did happen, and then Flash reset the world and it didn't happen in this version, but it still did before the reset.
Now, to contradict myself just a little I do think there are big story points that should always be kept around. Batman being broken, Supes, Gwen, and Karen Page dying, Parallax possessing Hal, Wolverine losing the adamantium, etc...
Speaking of Doomsday, I'm still not clear at all on if Superman ever died in the N52. Seems like it was hinted at sometimes, and other times it couldn't have happened.
To summerized, NU52 Superboy is the clone of Superman and Lois' son, but Human and Kyrptionians hybrids are genetically unstable, so his DNA is a mix of Real Superboy, Lois, and Superman. Comic science so just relax.
Sibersk Esto
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They played around with the concept of superman dying at doomsday's hands to be some sort of ancient kryptonian prophecy as told by zor-el to kara
It didn't catch on
ElBoxyBrown
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That's typical with every solo character that has both a solo book and is part of a team book. It's best to ignore it.
ShadowSwordmaster
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They played around with the concept of superman dying at doomsday's hands to be some sort of ancient kryptonian prophecy as told by zor-el to kara
It didn't catch on
One of the weirdest one-shots from that event.
NeonZ
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Morrison's run referenced a day known as "Doomsday" where Superman seemingly died against something, but gave no real details about it aside from apparently the skies being red that day. Geoff's run showed Superman's death against Doomsday being mentioned by a newspaper.
I think in a general sense Superman did die against Doomsday then returned and beat him, but none of the details of the original story really match up, so they avoid actually showing it.
Sibersk Esto
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To summerized, NU52 Superboy is the clone of Superman and Lois' son, but Human and Kyrptionians hybrids are genetically unstable, so his DNA is a mix of Real Superboy, Lois, and Superman. Comic science so just relax.
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new 52 Kid flash has the whole "evil titan from the future" thing as well.
I'm familiar with a lot of these references so I thought it was a "happened but not the way it was told before" but then I thought there was a line at the beginning of the Superdoom story where Superman acted like he's only familiar with a description of Doomsday, but then Shay Veritas (who seems to have just disappeared) mentioned the old version he'd faced, which looked like pre N52, basically being a larval form.
Not a huge deal in the long run, just wondered if I missed something.
It's a shame, Jurgen's really made a pretty cool, relatively simple design but yeah, he's gotten worse looking over the years.
Not a huge deal in the long run, just wondered if I missed something.
It's a shame, Jurgen's really made a pretty cool, relatively simple design but yeah, he's gotten worse looking over the years.
ElBoxyBrown
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That was Tim being controlled by Trigon or Raven. One of them.
BossDarkseid
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Up until ish 52, then he moves onto another title. The creative teams for all new books will be announced end of March. Although he and Capullo will get back together for more projects at DC anyway. Also Snyder said he's interested in writing some Batman OGNs that are out of continuity and he's got an idea for a Joker story that would have to be done like that.
It's gotten pretty bad for DC Comics:
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33658/how-low-can-dc-go
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33637/comic-sales-slip-january
Other than a few NU52 titles, I wasn't a big fan of most comics that came out of it. Been reading more and more Marvel titles since then. Not surprised by this move to try to get readers back who bailed on the Nu52 line.
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33658/how-low-can-dc-go
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33637/comic-sales-slip-january
Other than a few NU52 titles, I wasn't a big fan of most comics that came out of it. Been reading more and more Marvel titles since then. Not surprised by this move to try to get readers back who bailed on the Nu52 line.
ElBoxyBrown
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Everything is ending soon. It's expected for sales to slow down especially when you announce new #1's coming.
Yes, this.
Some writers might try to turn them (particularly Tim and Damian) into mini-Bruces but that's just bad writing.
And nthing the love for Red Robin's pre-52 ongoing. (Also sad that we lost Marcus To as his artist.)
Yup. What I said early in the thread.
I like this. Black and white would help a lot if they use it to lower costs.
My first comic book was a Dollar General black and white reprint of Fantastic Four #1 for like a dollar; if more comics were prized like that more kids would buy them, which means a bigger kid audience which means the comic industry will grow back to life.
Yes, this.
Some writers might try to turn them (particularly Tim and Damian) into mini-Bruces but that's just bad writing.
And nthing the love for Red Robin's pre-52 ongoing. (Also sad that we lost Marcus To as his artist.)
Yup. What I said early in the thread.
Nothing worse then a book that ends on a cliffhanger or the kerfuffle that comes from changing creative teams.
They also need to pull a Crossgen and put out a anthology tpb of select books. IT can be smaller then a standard comic and get people interested in titles they might not otherwise look at.
CrichtonKicks
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I honestly don't believe a word he says these days. Man is totally off his rocker. Every account I've read indicates he was hired to reboot.
No disagreement that postcrisis Launch stuff was handled poorly. I think all involved will agree with that
Schweinehund
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I think things like your last point will be expanded on in rebirth. Rebirth will probably double down on all those popular, past events that may or may not have been canon already. Like we'll see Batman getting omega beamed, and his back broken, or Superman Doomsday, maybe New Krypton in addition to everything that has happened in the new 52 so far.
So I think what is interesting about all this is they might have reconciled a few old DC writers. Maybe I'm reading into it a bit too much, but they are starting to recollect Waid's Flash Run, and James Robinson's JSA Golden Age. Maybe DC got them back on board earlier and keyed them onto Rebirth, maybe we'll see Rucka as well.
Maybe Waid is trying his hand at Flash again? I think there are a few more surprises left.
Was convergence a testing ground for Rebirth? It's starting to seem like that.
kylecoley182
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When
i got choked up
Damian died
If she does come back she will need another costume, preferably a decent looking one.Can we get Anna Fortune back?
She used casters like in Outlaw Star
A mini Bruce makes imagine the most miserable lil sidekick ever.
Once again Young Justice shows how far it was ahead of it's time/
All the switched heroes were dope
TheKaeptain
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Them Bat-Boys are chick magnets.
MHWilliams
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Lobdell. Still don't know why they give his free-wheeling writing a place with major characters.
So what happen with "real Superboy"? So 52 Superboy just took his place and he didn't make it into the New 52 at all?
Quiet.
So good. Damage being Superman tier was great
Real Superboy showed up and took over the book or something. His superpower ontop of being Superman Plus was he took the powers of any metahuman he killed.
I gave up
Razgriz-Specter
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Its awful but there are a few times I thought it looked alright.
Yeah
It's true, like for example why does her goggles have two lenses for each eye? Also if she is going for a cowboy motif there are better ways of doing it that aren't terrible.
TheKaeptain
Banned
It really depends on the artist.
Magic.
That doesn't explain much, like why didn't DC create her with four eyes?
Father_Brain
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Except that that's not really what's going on at all. The DC You relaunch has been a commercial failure from day one.
Which is a shame because creatively, I think DC put in a solid effort.
If nothing else, it gave us Omega Men and Midnighter.
kylecoley182
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i wanted Harper to get her own book
Razgriz-Specter
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Birds is looking like a lock for her at leasti wanted Harper to get her own book
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