Bernard Diaz, 89, a 32-year tenant of the Cecil, said he heard a "tremendous" noise the night before Lam was missing in the fourth floor above him.
He also said there was flooding on the fourth floor the day after Lam went missing.
Dead body found in L.A. hotel's water tank
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Bernard Diaz, 89, a 32-year tenant of the Cecil, said he heard a "tremendous" noise the night before Lam was missing in the fourth floor above him.
He also said there was flooding on the fourth floor the day after Lam went missing.
hypostasis
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And I want to discover the source for your avatar. Help me nao.
BrightEyedPanic
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Fucking disturbing. Poor girl.
She was playing around in the elevator. If she were afraid, she would not be bunny hopping out of the elevator and playing with the buttons. Perhaps the person not in view is the killer though.
She was playing around in the elevator. If she were afraid, she would not be bunny hopping out of the elevator and playing with the buttons. Perhaps the person not in view is the killer though.
Ninja Scooter
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She probably popped a molly and either killed herself on accident, or was taken advantage of by some creep/killer. That is a ghetto ass area.
Ether_Snake
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I think the door didn't close because she pushed numerous buttons. When she finishes pushing the last button, it's almost at the same time as the door would close, so they reopen.
I think she was on drugs. But maybe she was drugged by someone. I doubt she made it on the roof. But even if the hotel says the access to the roof was locked, it might not be true. It might HAVE to be locked, but it may not have been.
Could be a button used by cleaning staff, which keeps it open for much longer.
some very smart individuals still have mental disorders. although, I only watched the video, so I dont have any other thoughts on this girl. it is mostly depressing to me.
spindashing
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I should not have watched that video after midnight. Terrible...
JetBlackPanda
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I just watched it again and I'm laying in bed In the dark with nursery music playing my baby to sleep.
Fucking nightmare fuel.
Memento_Mori15
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But she didn't have her glasses. Thus why she attempted to get closer to the buttons. I'm guessing she still couldn't make out what it said and just pressed all the buttons but accidentally hitting the hold door button as shown in this image:
On the websleuths forum posted, someone posted a picture of the 15th floor around page 4 and it has the same titles and color as the floor in the video. They said she was staying on the fourth floor but she was in the 15th in the video, why? Thus near the end, the elevator closes and reopen on the same floor. However it has to be the 14th floor...unless the 15th and 14th has the same color. Anyway, it closes, and then go to the 10th and the color is now orange. In a review, they stated the closed the stairs at night...
..I think I'm going to take a break from this.
JetBlackPanda
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I don't either... Something about it just really gives me the bad feels.
If the video was from right before she died then I'm guessing she was pressing all the buttons to stall up the elevator. She figured out some way to keep those doors open for an unusually long time. Though she also seems kind of baffled by them staying open so it's really hard to tell.
She looks high for sure. At first she looks scared or like shes trying to get away, but then it seems to turn into some sort of game.
She looks high for sure. At first she looks scared or like shes trying to get away, but then it seems to turn into some sort of game.
Conor_Fool
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Completely agreed. When I watched alone earlier, I could only watch like 45 seconds of it. Just so incredibly unsettling due to the circumstances...
JetBlackPanda
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Possibly trying to play things off once she realized whoever she was trying to get away from was there. People act goofy when they get uncomfortable.
Ahhhhhh her reaching around and stuff would make sense if she didn't have glasses. Then she gets out and tries counting on her hand to remember what floor she was on. Then maybe jumping out and giving a little stomp on the ground because she was expecting somebody waiting for her or was trying to draw somebodies attention to ask them what floor she was on. She must of have some terrible eyes or this doesn't hold.
Memento_Mori15
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Yeah, which is why I'm not completely confident in what I said.
This could be the area where it took place. Looks pretty similar.
I was just about to respond to your other post that u saw nothing wrong...
Once it sinks in. Its weird.
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She had bad vision/needed glasses.
OMG, reminds me of this seedy ass hotel my friends stayed at in San Francisco during Outside Lands last year. It was cheap as hell, but when we got there and saw that there were shared toilets and showers we knew this place was a shithole. The bathroom was disturbing. I can't believe anyone would use that regularly.
Poltergust
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Looking at this, the possibility of suicide seems to have gotten smaller. I mean, sure, she could have developed suicidal tendencies throughout the last week she was alive, but I'm not sure what would cause something like that in a city of strangers. She was there traveling on vacation or something, right?
Also, if this turns out to be a murder, perhaps the killer didn't have to have carried her body up the ladder on the rooftop. It's possible that she was chased up to the rooftop, saw the ladder as her only escape option, and climbed it herself. Or maybe she was killed beforehand; a corpse wouldn't provide any resistance to someone carrying it. It's possible to climb a ladder if you attach it to your back.
That said, if it is a murder, I'm not sure why the killer would put the body in the water tank. It obviously would eventually be discovered and link the incident to the hotel. If the killer is part of the hotel staff (which is likely considering the locks), then he/she just narrowed down the suspect list drastically. Of course, if the killer is not an employee of the hotel, it's gonna be pretty hard to track them down.
What a complex case...
Ether_Snake
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Guys I'm sure the door stays open this long because it is a button to keep doors open for a long time for cleaning staff, so it doesn't have to be jammed by something to being kept open.
same here.
She acted weird but I don't think she was on drug. She might have pushed several buttons to cover her tracks in case somebody came into the lift with her.
The hand movements were definitely weird maybe due to the anxiety.
And maybe she didn't go straight to her room because she wanted to verify whether or not she was followed.
The hand movements were definitely weird maybe due to the anxiety.
And maybe she didn't go straight to her room because she wanted to verify whether or not she was followed.
The Illiterati
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That WebSleuth forum links to a Expedia review wherein they mention a security guard that follows you around the building. I posit that said guard is the number one suspect. Guard is off camera, holding button to keep elevator doors open. When Lam is gesturing she is talking to him. When she finally leaves it is with him. Something goes wrong and here we are.
kyoya
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I think the elevator video that has been released to the public has been tampered with by someone. This is not a joke.
Could someone please look at the 2:57 mark and confirm something for me? Does anyone notice a jump-cut when the elevator door closes after she leaves?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KW8TYoEQ5g
Are my eyes deceiving me or is this really happening?
Either someone at the hotel tampered with the video to not be seen walking in the hallway, or if the LAPD released the video they cut something out so as to not make any potential suspects apparent. The rest of the video appears very fluid.
WTF is going on?! I hope the LAPD is at least aware of this. I can not see the damn time code of the video to even make sense of it. Is there a version of the video with the time code clearly marked?
I think the elevator video that has been released to the public has been tampered with by someone. This is not a joke.
Could someone please look at the 2:57 mark and confirm something for me? Does anyone notice a jump-cut when the elevator door closes after she leaves?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KW8TYoEQ5g
Are my eyes deceiving me or is this really happening?
Either someone at the hotel tampered with the video to not be seen walking in the hallway, or if the LAPD released the video they cut something out so as to not make any potential suspects apparent. The rest of the video appears very fluid.
WTF is going on?! I hope the LAPD is at least aware of this. I can not see the damn time code of the video to even make sense of it. Is there a version of the video with the time code clearly marked?
Looks like it now that you mentioned it.
If it was and the LAPD didn't notice it wouldn't it put the security guard who apparently followed people around the main suspect now?
Autopsy inconclusive, toxicology tests to come, and the water is apparently clean
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0222-hotel-body-20130222,0,4318339.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0222-hotel-body-20130222,0,4318339.story
darkazcura
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You know at first I thought she was talking to herself when she went outside the elevator and waved her arms, but after she waved her arms she did a hand gesture where it looks like she is "listing" stuff. You know that gesture where you are like "first of all" and you grab one finger and then "second of all" and you grab both fingers, etc. makes it look like she is listing reasons or listing to someone. I dunno. I hope that's clear 
it's kinda hard to describe hand gestures. Someone probably mentioned it already. She could be talking to herself still I guess...trying to sort out why the elevator isn't closing.
it's kinda hard to describe hand gestures. Someone probably mentioned it already. She could be talking to herself still I guess...trying to sort out why the elevator isn't closing.
kyoya
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You know at first I thought she was talking to herself when she went outside the elevator and waved her arms, but after she waved her arms she did a hand gesture where it looks like she is "listing" stuff. You know that gesture where you are like "first of all" and you grab one finger and then "second of all" and you grab both fingers, etc. makes it look like she is listing reasons or listing to someone. I dunno. I hope that's clear
A good point. It isn't clear when this video was taken, but I assume it's from January 31st, because in news reports that's when hotel staff last saw her. She was reportedly scheduled to check out February 1st. If she was murdered by someone who knew her departure date, they didn't want her to leave (or she made it known to some stranger at a bar or club she was leaving on February 1st), they possibly wanted their "last chance" to try and be with her. This all could have happened if she had spent her last night out in LA partying or clubbing with someone she became acquainted with or met up with.
More theories regarding the elevator video:
- It appears the elevator door tries to close 13 seconds in.
- She might be conversing with someone out in the hallway, we just can't tell.
- The reason why she is looking around is that she may be looking for someone else for help in a "uncomfortable" situation she's trying to get out of while quite possibly under the influence. Someone outside may be pressing the up or down button, preventing the elevator door from closing.
- At around the 2:02 mark, if she is alone, could she waving her hands at the door sensor? Is she thinking the elevator door is blocked, or testing it to see why the doors aren't closing?
This is creepy as fuck. It does look like she might have been interacting with someone outside the elevator, leading credence to the idea that the doors were being kept open from outside. Maybe not, but the video is genuinely disturbing.
How the hell do you end up on the 15th/14th floor of a hotel, when you're staying on the 4th, without your glasses or contacts?
If you're gonna kill someone, make sure they're from out of town? Drug them at the club, follow them to where ever they're going to go? How do you even hide a body in a water tower?
Or maybe the elevator sensor was broken and she was trying to trip it so she could go up to her room because she really had to pee? So she's trying to hide from the door sensor, and then she's stepping out to talk to the guy at the front desk?
Or maybe the elevator sensor was broken and she was trying to trip it so she could go up to her room because she really had to pee? So she's trying to hide from the door sensor, and then she's stepping out to talk to the guy at the front desk?
boiled goose
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Elevator video is definitely disturbing.
Initially, she is clearly hiding from someone in the elevator. Unclear whether playful or dangerous. She is visible anxious. The elevator door doesnt close.
She then confronts the person outside. There seems to be someone to the left, given by her reaction. It seems she wants to go back into the elevator, but is called out. She looks anxious.
It then seems there is a conversation outside the elevator. She brings her hands to her head. She then goes back into the elevator, almost as if told to do so, and presses a bunch of buttons. She looks anxious by the way she raises her hands to the elevator doors and keeps putting her hands on her head.
Then the strangest part. She goes back outside, and begins talking and waving her hands towards the elevator, not toward the left hallway. It is unclear whether there is someone actually there, but she is acting as if there is.
EvilDick34
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Jesus fuck, that video is so disturbing. She definitely had to have been drunk and or high for sure ....
EDIT: From 27 seconds to 37 seconds, what or whom is she trying to hide from in the elevator when she presses herself up against the corner by the buttons?
EDIT: From 27 seconds to 37 seconds, what or whom is she trying to hide from in the elevator when she presses herself up against the corner by the buttons?
My first thoughts were similar. But according to her family she has no mental health issues or history of drug use. She still could have been drugged or indulged or something. But either way after watching it again there could easily be someone out of the frame so the video gives an appearance that she is crazy or drugged be really it is normal behavior if someone was bothering her or simply just talking to her.
Why does the door never close till she leaves? Did she hit a button to keep it open or does someone else keep it open? And then she ends up on the roof?
Dusk Golem
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This is one of those stories that you really hope gets solved. The video is creepy, the story tragic, and disgusting for those who were staying there.
I'm not trying to make a joke, but it is kind of strange how much this case is similar to Dark Water. There was even a weird elevator scene in that film.
I'm not trying to make a joke, but it is kind of strange how much this case is similar to Dark Water. There was even a weird elevator scene in that film.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
ewww..i just gagged a little.
Detective gaf is on the case already?
Detective gaf is on the case already?
I can't help but think how awesome it would be to have an X-Files episode out of this. That elevator video is creepy, though. At first it does look like she's hiding from somebody or something and then she starts walking in and out of the elevator and that elevator door not closing. It's so bizarre. I really hope this gets solve soon.
Illithid Dude
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Except for not really. A street over, maybe, but Main Street is pretty safe, especially where the Cecil Hotel is (right in the center of the gentrification).
At 14 seconds the door starts to close but something stops it. Didn't notice that the first couple times I watched it. She seems very frustrated that the elevator won't start.
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