cheststrongwell
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I think we have to wait a few months for the report.
Dead body found in L.A. hotel's water tank
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Not according to the hotel. Who in fairness, could be lying about it I guess. But say she manages her way up to the roof alone. She then climbs up to the tank removes the lid, jumps in (she would have to jump in, there is no ladder on the inside) and gets the lid back on? Not possible according to reports, as the tank was 3/4 full. She couldn't have reached back out to put the lid on.
Also we don't know yet how long she was in the tank. She was missing for over 2 weeks. Doesn't mean she was in the tank the whole time, or even dead the whole time. The police never searched every room (or the tanks on the roof). We will know more when the toxicology reports come back.
I think she was tripping hard and went for a swim, personally.
She might've just been peering into the tank, fell through the opening, and had the cover close on her.
the_log_ride
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Plausible explanation. She could've been on that Jenkem.
Another explanation for the alarm not going off is she may have taken the fire escape, which leads up to the roof. The tremendous noise that the old man heard could have been the fire escape ladder sliding down so she could climb it. But in this scenario, another person would have been involved. The murderer.
darkazcura
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Yeah, one of the reports said it will probably take about 6-8 weeks, I believe.
cheststrongwell
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I wouldn't put it past the management trying to cover up their fuckups. Fixing the alarm could be as easy as popping a couple batteries in or flipping a breaker.
Another explanation for the alarm not going off is she may have taken the fire escape, which leads up to the roof. The tremendous noise that the old man heard could have been the fire escape ladder sliding down so she could climb it. But in this scenario, another person would have been involved. The murderer.
They said they cut a hole out to avoid damaging the body further, evidence and all that. Does that mean they could have got her without doing it? I don't know, but that's the reason they gave.
That woman's definitely on drugs in that video.
- The odd way she steps at :55 is incredibly reminiscent of someone inebriated amusing themselves.
- Note how she steadies herself getting back into the elevator at 1:31. That is a dead giveaway.
- Swirling her hands around at 2:04-2:08
- 2:11. People look at her fingers while she acts like she's listing something, but don't watch her fingers. Watch how her hips sway and her knees bend as she does that, another dead giveaway she's in an odd state.
Conclusion: That woman is blasted, zero doubt in my mind.
- The odd way she steps at :55 is incredibly reminiscent of someone inebriated amusing themselves.
- Note how she steadies herself getting back into the elevator at 1:31. That is a dead giveaway.
- Swirling her hands around at 2:04-2:08
- 2:11. People look at her fingers while she acts like she's listing something, but don't watch her fingers. Watch how her hips sway and her knees bend as she does that, another dead giveaway she's in an odd state.
Conclusion: That woman is blasted, zero doubt in my mind.
And now for more creepy/ominous shots of the hotel, how about the street view available on Google Maps?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sout...+90014&t=h&z=17&panoid=uMWpZUN_pWzDqA_InUT3hA
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sout...+90014&t=h&z=17&panoid=uMWpZUN_pWzDqA_InUT3hA
There is a cover on top (which wasn't locked). The question is how did she get the cover get back on if she climbed in herself.
endresults
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From the aerial view of the hotel it looks like she could have just climbed the ladder right by the roof exit and jumped right down on top of the water tanks. From there, just use your imagination.
Oh man, it's one of those hotels? Shit, literally anything could have happened to this girl. If they're just assuming accidental death...I think they might be dropping the ball.
I was imagining something like a Hilton, with cameras and security, and employees everywhere at all hours. This place looks like a discount hotel where badguys rent rooms for months at a time.
oh look, the hotel is right next to Crystal Meth Anonymous.
...serial murder?
I was imagining something like a Hilton, with cameras and security, and employees everywhere at all hours. This place looks like a discount hotel where badguys rent rooms for months at a time.
oh look, the hotel is right next to Crystal Meth Anonymous.
...serial murder?
Ingueferroque
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Oh my god.
darkazcura
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Not in the middle of downtown LA I don't think. Some of these people probably grew up in the area and/or have gotten used to it. From the impression I have of the Cecil, it seems to be kinda like a SRO. Recent ownership has tried to change it back to a tourist location, but after reading some articles about the place, it still has the qualities of a SRO..just a place where disadvantaged (any number of reasons including lack of money) stay for extended amounts of time (for a lot, until they die).
I dunno if it is officially defined as a SRO, but it has qualities like one.
wow.
TheJollyCorner
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man, this whole story, mixed with the elevator video, is just really unnerving.
Without any context I thought she was just tripping on LSD or something.
Now, after reading that Websleuths.com forum thread, this whole thing is just creepy and doesn't sit right with me.
Without any context I thought she was just tripping on LSD or something.
Now, after reading that Websleuths.com forum thread, this whole thing is just creepy and doesn't sit right with me.
everyday math
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Well. O_O
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
They have figured it out over at Web Sleuths.
Originally Posted by manlet View Post
>Elisa Lam was found dead in a water tank at the Cecil Hotel in L.A.
>Lam Elisa is the name of a Tuberculosis test
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352098
>A Tuberculosis outbreak is happening right now in Skid Row L.A.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...s-la-homeless/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...al-forces.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2743373.html
Her death was some sort of sacrifice IMO. Welcome to Illuminatiwood.
Originally Posted by manlet View Post
>Elisa Lam was found dead in a water tank at the Cecil Hotel in L.A.
>Lam Elisa is the name of a Tuberculosis test
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352098
>A Tuberculosis outbreak is happening right now in Skid Row L.A.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...s-la-homeless/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...al-forces.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2743373.html
Her death was some sort of sacrifice IMO. Welcome to Illuminatiwood.
thats fucking weird. Almost as weird as the bus in the google photograph.
This thing is weird all around.
cheststrongwell
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The Illuminati have been planning this murder since at least May, 2011.
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Guys I think I figured it to some extent. I don't think she was on drugs at all, nor was she playing hide and seek. She may have been tired or a bit drunk, but nothing more. She is apparently traveling on her own for the first time, so this increases her chances of attracting the attention of criminals, especially since she is alone and a woman. My guess is she is having problems before going inside. Please watch the video carefully with my explanations, every small body movement is important.
1- People usually wait in the center between both elevators where the up/down button is. So from that we can assume she had been waiting between both elevators for one to show up, and it's possible that two were relatively close at the same time, otherwise she may have moved more towards the front of the elevator, knowing which one was on its way. Or, she came out from the other elevator and directly into this one.
She was standing there in the middle:
2- (0:06) When she enters, she isn't afraid or panicking. She very casually presses multiple buttons, one after the other, in a downward fashion. There are three rows of buttons. She presses six times, meaning floor 12, 9, 6, 3, Lobby, and Door Open button. There seems to be no logic to choosing those floors.
Now who usually pushes multiple buttons on an elevator? A pranksters would, to force the elevator to waste people's time and go to multiple floors, but they would usually do so when exiting the elevator, not when going in, unless the prankster was going to the next stop and leave it to continue on its way afterwards. This seems very unlikely in this case. My guess? This is NOT the first time she tries to use the elevator. In fact, it's possible she had the same issue with the other elevator on the left side or possibly both, every time she tried to use the elevator at that point in time (not sure what time it is). This makes sense later on (see point 16).
3- As she pushes the last button (Door Open button), the doors are closing, and this causes the doors to re-open. This doesn't startle her, but she doesn't realize it's because she pressed that button.
4- (0:15) Proof again that she isn't afraid at this point: when she is done with the buttons, she stands in the corner of the elevator, but in no way is she hiding, she would be visible in the mirror or to anyone passing in front of the elevator. But soon she wonders why the doors aren't closing.
5- The doors don't close, so she is wondering what's going on. She stares into the mirror in the hallway from inside the elevator, sees there is no one close to the elevator, so she looks out quickly to see further down the hall, both ways (first to her right, which she couldn't see in the mirror from inside). This is NOT the reaction of someone who is deeply afraid, most people would just have hid right away and waited, not look out quickly as if to catch someone in the act. She is in a "confrontational" state, ready to yell at someone messing with her, that's why she looks out with such determination. My belief is that at this point she is "annoyed". She thinks someone is messing around.
6- She sees no one on either sides, and steps back inside standing still in the center, not hiding. A small pause. This pause appears to indicate that at first she saw and heard nothing in the hallway, so she simply resumed to her position waiting for the doors to close, looking in the mirror (0:27), but THEN she hears something in the hall, hence she now becomes afraid or doesn't want to be seen, and she feels that sound is to her right.
7- She moves to the side to hide, but she is looking into the mirror from there and realizes someone could see her in the mirror too, so she then steps into the corner, from where she can see nothing but cannot be seen either. She waits.
8- She decides to look out again. (0:38) Notice how she looks into the mirror first, sees no one, then decides to look further down the hall, focused on what could be to her right, peering out barely. This to me confirms she thinks she heard a sound in the hall to her right and that she has a good view of her left with the mirror. After a very short moment, starring at her right and slightly hidden, (0:46) she slowly turns to her left, as if realizing nothing is to her right, looking into the mirror again, and then after a pause starring in the mirror she decides to step out carefully to look down the left side of the hall, probably thinking the sound might have been in that direction all along.
9- As she peers out, she leans forward fixated in that direction, and suddenly does a little jump forward as if startled (0:53). Note her hands are together during the whole time, even during the jump. It doesn't seem to be her trying to spook someone by leaping forward. She has made her startled-like leap, her hands are still together, and she is still looking to her left. As if her feeling of being startled was interrupted itself as she jumped forward, as if not sure what to feel (frightened, reassured at the same time).
10- Look very carefully at that point in the video! She has made eye contact with someone who is moving in the hallway from the left side (coming from the left corner after the other elevator), and that person moves toward her or the elevator. She is looking at someone moving. Straightens her back, opens her legs, and looks slightly more forward but still at an angle, tracking the person moving probably towards her. This is a very "stable" position. That's why her startled jump was "interrupted" (she didn't have her hands let go and straightened herself quickly), she saw someone and her brain wondered if the person is a threat or not.
11- (0:57) The person moves closer, and now she closes her legs again but by placing herself towards the left side, taking a more normal standing position to talk with the person to her left. The person appears to be right in front of where the elevator buttons would be.
12- (1:00) She steps back in the elevator, a bit afraid, but almost immediately steps out again, probably as the person stops walking right in front of the elevator. Her brain has stopped figuring out if the person is a threat or not: the person is not seen as a threat.
13- She stands in front of where the elevator buttons are. Talking to someone. (1:09) Her hands let go, as if now more relaxed. She seems to be explaining her situation ("Sorry I was startled, the elevator isn't working, lol..."), and she relaxes further and now puts her hands on her head. If she was still thinking about dealing with the elevator, she would not have her back to it, she would have called the other elevator. If she was still afraid, she would not put her hands in such a compromising position, especially not in front of someone she felt threatened by.
14- (1:30) The person probably doesn't seem to be able to help her, this person might in fact not be in need of the elevator and on his/her way . She is done talking, the person has moved away from her.
15- She goes back in the elevator. She even looks to be smiling a bit, sort of a desperate "I'm so fed up with this" self-humor kind of smile. An accumulation of problems she has had to deal with in this hotel? She also seems tired or having difficulty to see as she touches the sides of the elevator as she goes in, maybe just exhausted from the drama, or slightly drunk.
16- (1:45) Now she pushes numerous buttons this time, with both hands. This is why I said originally this might not be the first time. See point 2. It explains why she pushed numerous buttons on her first time in the elevator. She knew ahead of time when she first entered that the elevator would likely not budge. Now she knows again, and is desperately trying to make it go down, so she pushes even more buttons. Nothing works.
17- (1:52) The person has moved back. How do I know? Because when she steps out, she is again looking to her left and towards the wall or center of the hall, where someone would be standing, and she has her back to the wall, which implies someone else is occupying space in front of her. It would not make sense for her to stand so close to the wall, with her back to the elevator buttons, if no one was there at all ahead of her.
18- (1:59) She is laughing/smiling as she explains to the person that the elevator is not working and waves her hands in front of the door, feeling silly about the situation.
19- (2:12) Now she enumerates something. Issues she has been having in this hotel? List of items that were stolen from her? Things she has tried to do to deal with her problems?
20- The person tells her to come with him/her. The end.
So my guess is she has been having problems in the hotel, either only with the elevator itself or even beforehand, and she has complained about it or is about to go complain about it. Someone shows up, most likely hotel staff who came up through the stairs. Why? Because someone coming from their room would have headed to the elevator, yet she always stands in front of the elevator button as if the person in question is never even trying to use it, nor does the person ever step in, and the person walks away at some point only to come back. My guess is a security guard, because cleaning staff move with equipment using the elevator. If it was a guest, then it means the guest was going to their room and had come up the stairs, because the elevators are not moving. This seems unlikely, since the elevators were not reported to have been broken, and starts to move as soon as the scene ends.
Who knows what happens next. Possibly the person takes her into the stairway since the elevator doesn't work. If she disappeared at that point, she may have been killed at that point, or brought somewhere before being killed. My guess is she was killed in the staircase, which would cause a lot of noise if she fought, as it would reverberate, hence the noise the old man heard.
Also, note what you can see from the mirror in the picture above: a door leading to the stairs, from where the person would have come.
1- People usually wait in the center between both elevators where the up/down button is. So from that we can assume she had been waiting between both elevators for one to show up, and it's possible that two were relatively close at the same time, otherwise she may have moved more towards the front of the elevator, knowing which one was on its way. Or, she came out from the other elevator and directly into this one.
She was standing there in the middle:
2- (0:06) When she enters, she isn't afraid or panicking. She very casually presses multiple buttons, one after the other, in a downward fashion. There are three rows of buttons. She presses six times, meaning floor 12, 9, 6, 3, Lobby, and Door Open button. There seems to be no logic to choosing those floors.
Now who usually pushes multiple buttons on an elevator? A pranksters would, to force the elevator to waste people's time and go to multiple floors, but they would usually do so when exiting the elevator, not when going in, unless the prankster was going to the next stop and leave it to continue on its way afterwards. This seems very unlikely in this case. My guess? This is NOT the first time she tries to use the elevator. In fact, it's possible she had the same issue with the other elevator on the left side or possibly both, every time she tried to use the elevator at that point in time (not sure what time it is). This makes sense later on (see point 16).
3- As she pushes the last button (Door Open button), the doors are closing, and this causes the doors to re-open. This doesn't startle her, but she doesn't realize it's because she pressed that button.
4- (0:15) Proof again that she isn't afraid at this point: when she is done with the buttons, she stands in the corner of the elevator, but in no way is she hiding, she would be visible in the mirror or to anyone passing in front of the elevator. But soon she wonders why the doors aren't closing.
5- The doors don't close, so she is wondering what's going on. She stares into the mirror in the hallway from inside the elevator, sees there is no one close to the elevator, so she looks out quickly to see further down the hall, both ways (first to her right, which she couldn't see in the mirror from inside). This is NOT the reaction of someone who is deeply afraid, most people would just have hid right away and waited, not look out quickly as if to catch someone in the act. She is in a "confrontational" state, ready to yell at someone messing with her, that's why she looks out with such determination. My belief is that at this point she is "annoyed". She thinks someone is messing around.
6- She sees no one on either sides, and steps back inside standing still in the center, not hiding. A small pause. This pause appears to indicate that at first she saw and heard nothing in the hallway, so she simply resumed to her position waiting for the doors to close, looking in the mirror (0:27), but THEN she hears something in the hall, hence she now becomes afraid or doesn't want to be seen, and she feels that sound is to her right.
7- She moves to the side to hide, but she is looking into the mirror from there and realizes someone could see her in the mirror too, so she then steps into the corner, from where she can see nothing but cannot be seen either. She waits.
8- She decides to look out again. (0:38) Notice how she looks into the mirror first, sees no one, then decides to look further down the hall, focused on what could be to her right, peering out barely. This to me confirms she thinks she heard a sound in the hall to her right and that she has a good view of her left with the mirror. After a very short moment, starring at her right and slightly hidden, (0:46) she slowly turns to her left, as if realizing nothing is to her right, looking into the mirror again, and then after a pause starring in the mirror she decides to step out carefully to look down the left side of the hall, probably thinking the sound might have been in that direction all along.
9- As she peers out, she leans forward fixated in that direction, and suddenly does a little jump forward as if startled (0:53). Note her hands are together during the whole time, even during the jump. It doesn't seem to be her trying to spook someone by leaping forward. She has made her startled-like leap, her hands are still together, and she is still looking to her left. As if her feeling of being startled was interrupted itself as she jumped forward, as if not sure what to feel (frightened, reassured at the same time).
10- Look very carefully at that point in the video! She has made eye contact with someone who is moving in the hallway from the left side (coming from the left corner after the other elevator), and that person moves toward her or the elevator. She is looking at someone moving. Straightens her back, opens her legs, and looks slightly more forward but still at an angle, tracking the person moving probably towards her. This is a very "stable" position. That's why her startled jump was "interrupted" (she didn't have her hands let go and straightened herself quickly), she saw someone and her brain wondered if the person is a threat or not.
11- (0:57) The person moves closer, and now she closes her legs again but by placing herself towards the left side, taking a more normal standing position to talk with the person to her left. The person appears to be right in front of where the elevator buttons would be.
12- (1:00) She steps back in the elevator, a bit afraid, but almost immediately steps out again, probably as the person stops walking right in front of the elevator. Her brain has stopped figuring out if the person is a threat or not: the person is not seen as a threat.
13- She stands in front of where the elevator buttons are. Talking to someone. (1:09) Her hands let go, as if now more relaxed. She seems to be explaining her situation ("Sorry I was startled, the elevator isn't working, lol..."), and she relaxes further and now puts her hands on her head. If she was still thinking about dealing with the elevator, she would not have her back to it, she would have called the other elevator. If she was still afraid, she would not put her hands in such a compromising position, especially not in front of someone she felt threatened by.
14- (1:30) The person probably doesn't seem to be able to help her, this person might in fact not be in need of the elevator and on his/her way . She is done talking, the person has moved away from her.
15- She goes back in the elevator. She even looks to be smiling a bit, sort of a desperate "I'm so fed up with this" self-humor kind of smile. An accumulation of problems she has had to deal with in this hotel? She also seems tired or having difficulty to see as she touches the sides of the elevator as she goes in, maybe just exhausted from the drama, or slightly drunk.
16- (1:45) Now she pushes numerous buttons this time, with both hands. This is why I said originally this might not be the first time. See point 2. It explains why she pushed numerous buttons on her first time in the elevator. She knew ahead of time when she first entered that the elevator would likely not budge. Now she knows again, and is desperately trying to make it go down, so she pushes even more buttons. Nothing works.
17- (1:52) The person has moved back. How do I know? Because when she steps out, she is again looking to her left and towards the wall or center of the hall, where someone would be standing, and she has her back to the wall, which implies someone else is occupying space in front of her. It would not make sense for her to stand so close to the wall, with her back to the elevator buttons, if no one was there at all ahead of her.
18- (1:59) She is laughing/smiling as she explains to the person that the elevator is not working and waves her hands in front of the door, feeling silly about the situation.
19- (2:12) Now she enumerates something. Issues she has been having in this hotel? List of items that were stolen from her? Things she has tried to do to deal with her problems?
20- The person tells her to come with him/her. The end.
So my guess is she has been having problems in the hotel, either only with the elevator itself or even beforehand, and she has complained about it or is about to go complain about it. Someone shows up, most likely hotel staff who came up through the stairs. Why? Because someone coming from their room would have headed to the elevator, yet she always stands in front of the elevator button as if the person in question is never even trying to use it, nor does the person ever step in, and the person walks away at some point only to come back. My guess is a security guard, because cleaning staff move with equipment using the elevator. If it was a guest, then it means the guest was going to their room and had come up the stairs, because the elevators are not moving. This seems unlikely, since the elevators were not reported to have been broken, and starts to move as soon as the scene ends.
Who knows what happens next. Possibly the person takes her into the stairway since the elevator doesn't work. If she disappeared at that point, she may have been killed at that point, or brought somewhere before being killed. My guess is she was killed in the staircase, which would cause a lot of noise if she fought, as it would reverberate, hence the noise the old man heard.
Also, note what you can see from the mirror in the picture above: a door leading to the stairs, from where the person would have come.
Uhhh, I'll read this later probably.
IT'S HAPPENING
I really really hope we find out what happened to this poor girl. Absolutely terrible. Judging solely from the video we have of her it is my personal opinion that she was absolutely on drugs. Weather it be someone drugged her or she took them willingly, I dunno.
This has been a very interesting read to say the very least.
This has been a very interesting read to say the very least.
Holy shit. I'm not sleeping tonight.
The Main Event
Member
Someone will make a movie out of this. I'm dying to know what truly happened.
Yeah, the story combined with that video combined with the coincidences has fucked me up tonight.
It seriously looks like she's kind of hiding from someone/something and she starts anxiously playing around trying to appease her stalker when she realises she has nowhere else to go.
I don't know if I buy into the whole shrooms/acid story and this is from a dude who has done both numerous times. I think shea freaked the fuck out and super nervous. Maybe a little liquor in her or faded off bud.
It seriously looks like she's kind of hiding from someone/something and she starts anxiously playing around trying to appease her stalker when she realises she has nowhere else to go.
I don't know if I buy into the whole shrooms/acid story and this is from a dude who has done both numerous times. I think shea freaked the fuck out and super nervous. Maybe a little liquor in her or faded off bud.
I've spent way too much time on this story since yesterday and now I constantly feel like I'm being watched and I'm hearing a bunch of weird noises. I really need to put my mind on something else...
hypostasis
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Sure, I always press all of the floor buttons at once when entering an elevator.
Wait. What?
hypostasis
Banned
Metaquestion: Why was this elevator footage released in the first place?
SapientWolf
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I think the elevator works fine and she went outside to play with the buttons. If someone was helping her with a problem they would have stepped into the elevator.
They didn't know she was dead at the time. She was just missing.
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Nope, she always keeps her back to the buttons outside, all the time, which again leads me to think she had already had to deal with the other elevator and hence why she never hits the buttons to call it; either it was already there all along and not moving and she had already went in it, or it never came to begin with when she hit the button before going in the first time so she doesn't even consider it an option at any time in the length of the video to use it: it's also broken, she already knows.
When she goes back in after talking to the person, she does a desprate/giving up motion/hands in the air, yet smiling at the same; it's an instinctive way to express one's self to bring about empathy from the person who apparently didn't really consider helping her at that precise point.
polyh3dron
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It's like she was playing some Chunsoft story game like 999 or Virtue's Last Reward and got the water tank ending..
hydragonwarrior
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Reading your post reminded me of that Caver story so many moons ago. Chilling but pretty good synopsis.
SapientWolf
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The elevator starts going up the floors indicated by the buttons she pressed. It's fully functional.
I could not agree more.
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