Death Stranding 2: On The Beach - PS5/PS5 Pro - Digital Foundry Tech Review
Insanemaelstrom
Member
Honestly doing the same. Not watching any videos but don't mind spoiler free summaries
Embearded
Member
Watched the Base vs Pro segment:
- Both have Quality and Performance modes
- Differences in level of detail and fidelity but not significant.
- No reason to choose quality on Pro, performance is the best option.
- exceptional framerate stability on both consoles
That's pretty much it
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Also a bit of shimmering on far objects on the performance mode of the base console. They don't exist on Pro.
- Both have Quality and Performance modes
- Differences in level of detail and fidelity but not significant.
- No reason to choose quality on Pro, performance is the best option.
- exceptional framerate stability on both consoles
That's pretty much it
Edit:
Also a bit of shimmering on far objects on the performance mode of the base console. They don't exist on Pro.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
35 min long, jesus fuck, make smaller videos DF.
Gaiff
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kazuyamishima
Member
Decima Engine is a Beast!!
saintjules
Member
Definitely spoilers in the video. Beware!
Embearded
Member
I think that's the main takeaway here and Sony should start using it more internally.
Bojji
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- Geometry distance detail looks like Epic's nanite in effect
- Game uses real time dynamic light and day and night system
- Shadows are artifact free and use screen space shadows for smaller things
- No evidence of RT shadows being used
- Water shaders receive significant upgrade over the first game with SSR
- SSR issues are still present but masked effectively
- Multiple different weather effects praised
- Terrain deformation (footprints on sand) inherited from Horizon FW
- Mid-field distance effects shows some lower resolution effects / artifacts with some 'surprisingly' low resolution textures seen. Easiest to see from vantage points
- Ambient occlusion can produce blotchy effects
- Reflections can also produce noisy artifacts
- Some lighting transitions from day to night are also 'odd'
- Character improvements are surprisingly high over the first game
- Skin shading, sub surface scattering, eye and hair rendering praised
- Animation quality, skin deformation and its fidelity also praised
- "Micro details" on character models during game play also praised
- However, game play model does not get shadows on a lot of elements like cut-scenes
PS5 vs Pro
- Core experience is largely identical
- Both offer Performance and Quality mode w/ Performance supports 120hz (60fps cap, good for VRR coverage)
- Apart from some 'camera issues', the frame rate seems to hold well
- PS5: Performance 1440p, Pro: Higher than 1440p with better IQ and a little less shimmering
- On Pro, Quality mode is essentially redundant but on base PS5 some users might prefer the sharper IQ of the Quality mode with its 30fps presentation.
The last bit is about sound but I have to run so can't transcribe.
- Game uses real time dynamic light and day and night system
- Shadows are artifact free and use screen space shadows for smaller things
- No evidence of RT shadows being used
- Water shaders receive significant upgrade over the first game with SSR
- SSR issues are still present but masked effectively
- Multiple different weather effects praised
- Terrain deformation (footprints on sand) inherited from Horizon FW
- Mid-field distance effects shows some lower resolution effects / artifacts with some 'surprisingly' low resolution textures seen. Easiest to see from vantage points
- Ambient occlusion can produce blotchy effects
- Reflections can also produce noisy artifacts
- Some lighting transitions from day to night are also 'odd'
- Character improvements are surprisingly high over the first game
- Skin shading, sub surface scattering, eye and hair rendering praised
- Animation quality, skin deformation and its fidelity also praised
- "Micro details" on character models during game play also praised
- However, game play model does not get shadows on a lot of elements like cut-scenes
PS5 vs Pro
- Core experience is largely identical
- Both offer Performance and Quality mode w/ Performance supports 120hz (60fps cap, good for VRR coverage)
- Apart from some 'camera issues', the frame rate seems to hold well
- PS5: Performance 1440p, Pro: Higher than 1440p with better IQ and a little less shimmering
- On Pro, Quality mode is essentially redundant but on base PS5 some users might prefer the sharper IQ of the Quality mode with its 30fps presentation.
The last bit is about sound but I have to run so can't transcribe.
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MikeM
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No PSSR i'm assuming?
balls of snow
Member
It looks so good. Turns out you dont really need ray tracing for a modern open world game.
Embearded
Member
As far as i understand no, they use the same techniques as Horizon FW.
Horseganador
Member
One of the graphical benchmarks of the generation, the Decima engine is a beast. I went from watching so many minutes and possible spoilers just days after the game came out.
"""With the base PS5, there is a visible difference between quality and performance mode, to the point that some might prefer quality despite its frame-rate deficit, but in the case of PS5 Pro, the two modes look so similar that you should just use the 60fps mode"""
After reading this, having to see comments saying the PS5 Pro version isn't worth it is surreal.
"""With the base PS5, there is a visible difference between quality and performance mode, to the point that some might prefer quality despite its frame-rate deficit, but in the case of PS5 Pro, the two modes look so similar that you should just use the 60fps mode"""
After reading this, having to see comments saying the PS5 Pro version isn't worth it is surreal.
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Fake
Member
Never need. You can still produce solid results without sacrifing 50% of the game performance.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not a chance.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Good to know Decima engine is still put to good use on base ps5 performance mode just like with Horizon and not some 720p blurry ass shit like in some other games, cough ff16 cough. This was my deciding factor into buying it or not, as I hate 30 fps.
MisterXDTV
Member
Another technical marvel from a Sony first/second party....
Who would have guessed?
Who would have guessed?
GHG
Member
Amazing direct feed screenshots there.
Superb.
saintjules
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Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Thank fuck I didn't get a Pro then. Close call
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
John didn't mention it, but the base resolution is apparently similar with the Pro having significantly more stable edges, fine details, and a cleaner IQ in Performance Mode. I'm assuming the much more stable fine details are the work of PSSR because ain't no way FSR can do that at a similar resolution. This would also explain why the base resolution isn't much higher on the Pro in Performance Mode.
I was expecting something perhaps like RT reflections or even RTGI on the Pro's Performance Mode though. We're not seeing any sign of it in any mode. I could have sworn I had heard that game had RTGI back then. Maybe the pre-baked solution was so good (at least during cutscenes) they mistook it for it?
Edit: Stupid me, had totally forgotten Decima Engine had its own custom upscaler. That's what they're using.
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Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Wait, does that mean the Pro is a scam since base PS5 is doing what it does? 
yogaflame
Member
Possibly a full ps5 pro update for ds2 coming soon. And next year will be fsr4 and pssr integration. But both base and pro are beautiful after looking at a video briefly.
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nowhat
Member
I don't think Decima has ever had RTGI even on PC, just pre-baked lighting passes (I think it was originally like 6 with HZD on PS4, 12 with HFW on PS5) that are blended together.
SweetTooth
Banned
Sounds like a fantastic job by the devs. Looks phenomenal too.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It hasn't, but I thought they had updated the engine for RT exactly for DS2. Turns out not.
Not holding my breath for that. Such an important upgrade should be there out of the gate for a Sony-published title of that caliber.
Dr.D00p
Member
Leave the room, child. The adults are speaking.
Bojji
Member
Do you have better ones? This is what DF was showing to people in 4k video they released. It's also 2x zoom, without it most differences wouldn't be that visible.
Does this look like amazing Pro upgrade to you?
Fake
Member
Er... I don't think Kojima Production will remove their knowing of Decima Engine in favor of either PSSR or FSR4. Remember, Decima Engine already have an inbuild upscaler, used in Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered.
Gonzito
Gold Member
My man are you again trying to roleplay your maturity? This is real life, not Fallout New Vegas
Bojji
Member
Game has fixed time of day and 95% of gameplay takes place in open fields. Not needing RTGI for good results is quite specific for this game because it's so limited. Now try that with games that have dynamic TOD and more complex environments...
There is a reason why AC Shadows have RTGI.
GHG
Member
You have to be trolling.
Since when does anyone compare screenshots by using compressed screengrabs of a compressed YouTube video while the overlay (which adds transparency gradient on top) is still present?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It doesn't.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Based on the video, not really worth the upgrade. Some far distance shimmering is the notable difference.
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Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Let's not forget YouTube videos are compressed too
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Game looks very pretty. Great sense of scale.
Insanemaelstrom
Member
It has a complete day night cycle and if first game is anything to go by, even city sections. It has destrucible environment and weather effects and disasters. It is more complex than most games out there
Bojji
Member
First game had it. Is it fluid or few fixed TODs (like AC Unity)?
Game has shit ton of empty spaces. First Horizon game was more demanding on PC vs. DS because game was way more packed with stuff, lot's of Ai, objects, forests etc. Death Stranding is very empty and that's by design but it's also not very complex to render.
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