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Democrats are losing their most loyal voters: Black Women
- Thread starter Angelus Errare
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Trump running as an EL/SC populist is really important here, because he has governed as a EC/SC. This is a problem for the GOP in 2020 because the same trick won't work twice there.
VendettaRed07
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There was a big difference in all the ads and tv spots that were on TV
Ok it wasn't "entirely". But Primary approach was different the general. And for the worse.
The Deplorables speech was on 9/9/2016.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The entire black population of America could sit out and you'd still have enough people left to vote sensibly
Clean your own houses first
Yeah, what he's actually doing to "earn back the trust of black women".
I am sure he got that letter back in June, he has had plenty of time to put a plan in place.
A tepid tweet doesn't mean shit.
Did I comment on whether or not I like Perez? It was a nothing response.
Clinton went at it at the wrong angle. Plainly, voters in the Midwest were not here for, "America already is great!"
Because what they hear is, "She doesn't want anything to change."
I don't see why you can't successfully incorporate both messages in a campaign.
UnemployedVillain
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They'd probably abstain. They're one of the most educated block of voters so if they chose not to vote Dem, I couldn't see them being suckered into voting for the next Gary Johnson/Jill Stein
If this is purely a tactic of scaring the DNC into admitting the fragility of their most reliable voters, power to 'em. Shit isn't going to change without that kind of shakeup. But if they are in any way actually convinced they will be better served elsewhere, they would be kidding themselves.
And clearly no one is going to actually go to bat for them, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue.
So we hope. I tend to agree with you when I'm in a better mood. But stuff like this makes me super sad. I'm that white guy that liked to think that we had a race problem in America, but that most of the country was trying to move past it.
These last 8 years have basically been one giant slap in the face to just how bad minorities in this country have it, how racist white people actually are and just how much privileged I've been displaying.
Unknown Soldier
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This is absolutely true. The Democrats have been assuming minorites owe them votes for too long. It's going to bite them in the ass sooner rather than later.
AmayaPapaya
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The problem with voting in such high numbers is you will be taken advantage of. The party can be both economically and socially left. Nothing in either cancels the other out. We just need them to push in all directions. The GOP have this way worse, so dems can do it (in terms of split factions).
To be frank, tell that to the WWC who couldn't be arsed to not vote for a damn-near Nazi who wants nothing more than to rob them blind.
Don't tell that to the voting block who consistently comes out rock fucking solid for Democrats. You give that block what the fuck they want, and plot a course from there.
NAFTA was an albatross for Clinton that I don't think anyone realized was as big an issue as it was until it was way too late.
It's a reason Dems need to be going with younger, new-to-the-national-stage candidates. These trade deals are a net positive for the country. But in places like the Rust Belt where change is accelerated because of them, you don't want to be running with them on your record. (Obama leveraged it against her in the '08 primaries, along with him pandering to paternatlistic whites -they were the ones real unhappy with the Trayvon comments.)
I was gay and grew up in a state where it was still illegal to have sex until Kennedy swing-voted Lawrence v Texas, so I knew it was not as good as it looked, but yeah, it's so much worse than we thought.
The Greek Freak
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Bkack women don't owe the current shitshow of a dnc ANYTHING for being worthless beyond lip service every 4 years and not being the GOP.
You earn votes not deserve them by default.
I mean, I think the problem is Clinton was brutally honest that Trump was race-baiting. She gave the basket of deplorable speech. She consistently called out his racism. She gave the alt-right speech. She routinely pushed back against racism coming out of the Trump camp... and she bet wrong on how many people were with him on the racist shit.
Odds are they just wont vote. So not quite as bad as if they flipped for Democrats, but still not good.
CrocMother
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EDIT: Shouldn't derail.
They don't all. But well-off white people tend to live in large cities that are ethnically diverse and wind up not hating the people who live around them. This is clearly not 100% true, but it's why urban white voters tend to vote better.
PeskyToaster
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I don't know why dems haven't pushed for some sort of election or gerrymandering reform. I think it would play super well in this time and it could help them a lot.
The Greek Freak
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None of the women in my family voted in 2016. Some of them have voted in every election for 40 years and they finally broke.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I tried telling people who kept spouting "identity politics" that something like this would happen.
It doesn't help drive turnout/enthusiasm. Look at the survey results in the OP - only 5% were bringing it up as an issue, and it's explicitly meant to disenfranchise black people above all else.
edit: to be clear, the party is pushing for this, but the tradeoff in US politics is that when you have the Presidency, you lose everything else because the opponents are energized. So we're at the low-ebb power wise.
legacyzero
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I would argue that many people felt he same way. There was a whole lot of "Fall in line!" Being tossed around. And I'm sorry, but Hillary did a horrible job of earning votes, especially from the Bernie base.
This seems quite disingenuous to me.
It's Tom Perez. So yeah, I'm not surprised
Abstaining? I don't think thats an option. Like you said they ARE one of the most educated block of voters.
That said they need to earn their vote.
theCalamity
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Vote for us or else!
Seriously, you can't hold a gun to black women's head and say that if they don't vote for Democrats, they'll get Trump again. The party should be actively courting these votes, not the other way around.
Perhaps the Dems should align themselves more with their base. The party has been moving right for a long time. Shit, even Obama said that he would have been considered a moderate Republican in the 80s. It hasn't been a winning strategy.
Funny thing about that is if you ever go somewhere for service and are ignored, you leave. Go somewhere else. That's a social and economical fundamental truth we all observe.
No service is no service no matter where you are. Better to close ranks and create your own until there is something worth the time and effort to go out for. In the meantime, everyone else can get a good solid dose of this life, and figure their shit out. Really get pressed on what they really want.
Interestingly that's a Trump/Pence/Kobach/GOP goal. To deny African Americans the right to vote.
GoldenEye 007
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Maybe but the country itself at it's core is very conservative. And will a party risk going too far to the left in hopes of getting young people and minorities out to vote in large enough and reliable enough numbers to move forward?
I'm not sure.
DontBeThatGuy
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Obama won twice. He would've won again. (not that the other elections going on still wouldn't have been fucked then, now, and in the future)
Okay, sure, but he didn't. And this is just a tweet you are calling disingenuous so bringing up future actions or lack thereof is... disingenuous.. So given that he fucked up months ago or whatever, my question remains -- is there something he can say in a tweet today that you won't call disingenuous?
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Time for a new party? Time for a new party.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Not gonna happen as long as fptp is still a thing.
There have been tons of parties over the course of US history. All with FPTP
You underestimate Fox news and the Hate Industry. They can make people believe anything.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Thanks, I didn't know
theCalamity
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Is the country really that conservative? Right now, Bernie is the most popular active politician and he's constantly described as being socialist. I have diehard conservative friends who said that they would have voted for Bernie.
Just the presidency, though. Meanwhile, the Democrats as a party has lost hundreds of seats in state and congressional legislatures since Obama was elected the first time.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
meh, they wanna believe.
Him not having a record beforehand is an advantage no longer has.
They're powerful, but they're not going to rescue him from the toilet.
Yes. The racism and white supremacy are directly tied to the conservatism. Where do your friends live?
Bernie doesn't play politics like a game? Why exactly do you think he ran in 2016? Why does he vote against good bills (like funding the FDA) only when his vote doesn't matter?
theCalamity
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Oh wow, you're friends with the same people I am? I didn't know!
DontBeThatGuy
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Yes, he passed significant health reform and immediately his party gets gobsmacked because of it, never recovering. I'm well aware.
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