Gozer the Gozerian
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Disappointing that they apparently do little to flesh out Jensen as a character in this one. Seems like a waste to bring him back and not develop him further.
It really makes you wonder.
Then again, I'm recalling that shitty "UH OH Deus Ex on PC sure ain't lookin' good!" thread and that probably helped to color people's expectations
HOLY SHIT
Do you even play PC games? Real question.
Edit: I guess you do, so like you should know about ultra benchmarks n shit
Contact hardening shadows by itself is a computationally expensive feature.
Does this game look as good as TW3 and does ad much as well to guarantee those fps?
Can't say I've played many PC games the recommended gave such poor results, outside of terrible ports of course.
Can someone tell me what conclusions this data is supposed to imply? Can't that data also be interpreted as backing up that scale chart? As in, as time goes on there are more and more games, and reviewers/critics have higher standards on what games are worth their time to review. On the other hand, users don't have to be vetted and don't even have to own the game to contribute to the user score. With the increased audience and internet users they can throw down 0's that greatly affect the User Score without actually reviewing the game.Thanks for posting this Nirolak!
I had been seeing that graph posted numerous times lately and always felt it was really dumb! It always felt like something someone who was too young to be critically aware of reviews in the late nineties and early-mid '00 had cooked up. Nice to see someone has actually looked at the data to prove it wrong. I can remember debates over review scores and ad-revenue from way back when.
Context absolutely matters, but isn't that the point of the chart you're saying is dumb? That users nowadays interpret review scores as a game sux vs a good game and no inbetween? In a DMV written test, it's you either get this thing or you don't in the context of you're going to be handling something that can easily someone else's or your own life. In game reviews, there are various amounts of subjective areas where a game can have merits but a large amount of readers only care about the score.It's dumb for a whole other reason too -- those two scales are the same. Logarithmic and power transformations are monotonic. Whether the space from 9 to 10 is bigger or smaller than the space from 7 to 8 is irrelevant. They still express information the same way. Go to the California DMV and you get a 50 question test where you fail if you get more than 4 wrong. This does not mean that you yell at the DMV worker that "Uh, excuse me, 45/50 is a 90%, fuck you for failing me", it means you engage brain cells and understand that the scale can be different depending on context. Even in the world where it is just absolute imperative to transform the scale from the current scale to one where games are uniformly distributed between a 1 and a 10 (this is a quantile transformation, basically), it's still monotonic--games that review better than other games would still review better than other games. So from a comparative perspective this would change absolutely nothing. The question is whether or not you can understand what the scale is trying to convey. Which you can do by, shock of shocks, reading the reviews... or the summaries... or comparing review averages between games... or engaging your brain for even a second.
But it's also dumb for a whole other other reason. People aren't randomly buying games. Hundreds, maybe thousands even excluding iOS, of games come out every year. Most people, even on GAF, buy a dozen or so at most. You're not randomly selecting from all those games. You wouldn't expect your collection to have some 1/10s, 2/10s, 3/10s, 4/10s, 5/10s, etc. The "average" game should be semantically interpreted as "not worth playing". Granted that there might be some subject matter or dev loyalty or whatever it is that puts it over the top for you, but most of your games should be tilted far towards the right. And the same selection bias applies to reviewers. Even if the average game produced was a 5, the average game reviewed would not be a 5, because reviewers don't randomly pick games off the shelf to review, they can only review so many and they prioritize games that are high profile or interesting. So if the average reviewed game was a 5, then the average game produced with be below a 5, thus causing the opposite worry of the one that the chart advances--with games being bunched up over the bottom half of the scale and sparse over the top end.
People complaining about review scales are basically people wearing Hot Topic "You laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the same" t-shirts. They certainly aren't people who have completed high school math.
I'm confused. Maybe I'm missing something.
What are these poor results you're referring to?
https://www.twitch.tv/gamestarde Pc version will be streamed there (german)
The 970 performs poorly and is the recommend GPU, is it not?
Recommended for not max settings. If I ran Witcher 3 on max settings with a 970 it would not perform very well, but I would not call the Witcher 3 a bad port because of that.The 970 performs poorly and is the recommend GPU, is it not?
Performs poorly at what settings?
Have you not seen some of the numbers?
FYI those are at the absolute maximum settings. "Recommended" does not mean "run at max settings."
Well I'd like you to load up a copy of GTA V on recommended hardware, and then boost the settings up. Is GTA V a terrible port because you can't hold 20 FPS on a 7870 at maxed settings, extended distance scaling, 8x MSAA?
FYI those are at the absolute maximum settings. "Recommended" does not mean "run at max settings."Have you not seen some of the numbers?
The 970 performs poorly and is the recommend GPU, is it not?
Can't say I've played many PC games the recommended gave such poor results, outside of terrible ports of course.
This might seem a little off topic but someone found a Sonic The Hedgehog Easter Egg in Mankind Divided.
Damnit, I knew this would be one of those games that wouldn't be hitting 60FPS.
Well, I mean, that benchmark is at max settings though.
The 970 performs poorly and is the recommend GPU, is it not?
Is that Knuckles thing for real? Lol
Performs poorly at what settings?
Game just crashed not even two minutes in.
Not a good look.
This might seem a little off topic but someone found a Sonic The Hedgehog Easter Egg in Mankind Divided.
This might seem a little off topic but someone found a Sonic The Hedgehog Easter Egg in Mankind Divided.
I think it's safe to say that the 'recommended' specs were not intended for playing the game maxed out on 'ultra' w/ MSAA.
I can't think of a game where the 'recommended' specs were acceptable for pushing all the sliders to the max.
Yes, it's no wonder why the Deus Ex twitter account are close friends with the Sonic twitter account.
780ti sli has better scores than a 1070...wtf man
I think some people who have been predominantly console gamers are having a difficult time rectifying the fact that they can't play the game to it's maxed potential on a platform with their GPU.
This might seem a little off topic but someone found a Sonic The Hedgehog Easter Egg in Mankind Divided.
Not a good look.
PPolygon quoted bugs and issues with the consoles too.
This is all prior to day 1 patch so we shouldn't be judging it quite yet.
It's pretty disappointing to see that pretty much across the board everyone is saying the story is "eh" at best. Human Revolution was hardly Shakespeare but still. Ah well, still pretty excited to play another one of these.
Disappointing that they apparently do little to flesh out Jensen as a character in this one. Seems like a waste to bring him back and not develop him further.
Too bad about the PC performance. Seems like more and more games coming out these days either broken or not living up to expectations for the PC player.
Well, to be fair, Human Revolution can be zipped through exceptionally quickly, too. That's hardly not the best way to experience the game, of course, but still.(and may be on the short side?)
lol. Generally games are less broken on PC than they have ever been. Of course though there is always exceptions
Too bad about the PC performance. Seems like more and more games coming out these days either broken or not living up to expectations for the PC player.
Yeah, things get more blown up these days.
Wow, so the PC version is bad?