Define substantially updated. Cause blizzard doesn't change skills much anymore (I mean they change them but it's all very minor tweaks) instead most class changes come in the form of redesigned/new items. In that case every class has had some pretty major changes in this patch as everyone has at least 1 new set or 1 old set that got changed to make them much more powerful (or in some cases both). You can't really go wrong with any class in s4 imo if you want to try out a new play style.
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Diablo III: Reaper of Souls |OT2| Enchantress: Look! More hidden loot!
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Define substantially updated. Cause blizzard doesn't change skills much anymore (I mean they change them but it's all very minor tweaks) instead most class changes come in the form of redesigned/new items. In that case every class has had some pretty major changes in this patch as everyone has at least 1 new set or 1 old set that got changed to make them much more powerful (or in some cases both). You can't really go wrong with any class in s4 imo if you want to try out a new play style.
hellmonkey
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is the starmetal kukri really a ceremonial knife? must have done like 50 in the cube now, multiples of every fucking knife in the game and no kukri :/
and now im almost out of deaths breath, and you cant convert other mats to it. welp
According to this, its a ceremonial knife.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/starmetal-kukri
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
yeah thats what im using as reference. dat rng
I would imagine the cube recipe also abides by the same relative drop rates as the items themselves. SMK is the rarest ceremonial knife when it comes to actual drops/gambling, so it's also going to be the rarest from the cube.
yeah thats what im using as reference. dat rng
SMK is notoriously rare. Took me around 8 months to get one. Granted that was back when it took longer to gear and shit (less blood shards per rift, lower legendary drop rate, no cube, etc. etc.) but yeah man, it sucks.
just tried Carnevil with the new 6p Helltooth instead of 6p zuni... yeah, no.
The 900% dmg buff to your dart and dogs+garg if you stick them in there doesnt outweight the 275% dmg to pets that all the fetiches get I guess
that 2p helltooth is still amazing tho and I cant imagine not using it, which is annoying me because I wanted to use 2p spider just to have the spider with me lol
The 900% dmg buff to your dart and dogs+garg if you stick them in there doesnt outweight the 275% dmg to pets that all the fetiches get I guess
that 2p helltooth is still amazing tho and I cant imagine not using it, which is annoying me because I wanted to use 2p spider just to have the spider with me lol
Far and away my favorite still. Roland's is great with bash or sweep and the new set looks dope. Even Akarat is decent with a condemn build, or you can go full support. I think they have plenty of options and their attacks have a lot more OOMPH than other classes, which is why I like them so much.
Some new info about crowd control resistance:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/com...one_give_me_an_eli5_for_crowd_control/cufmnur
I always thought it decayed at 10% per second, but it was actually changed to 5% per second with the RoS release. So, if an enemy's CC'd for 10 seconds, and nothing else is applied, it'll take 20 seconds before it would be fully affected again.
Also, the difficulty chart in the game guide was updated through to Torment 10 if people are looking for the new experience-vs-health numbers.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/gameplay/game-difficulty
Edit: They just replied and said the resistance info there is going to be updated. https://twitter.com/Raticus79/status/636644310054670337
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/com...one_give_me_an_eli5_for_crowd_control/cufmnur
I always thought it decayed at 10% per second, but it was actually changed to 5% per second with the RoS release. So, if an enemy's CC'd for 10 seconds, and nothing else is applied, it'll take 20 seconds before it would be fully affected again.
Also, the difficulty chart in the game guide was updated through to Torment 10 if people are looking for the new experience-vs-health numbers.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/gameplay/game-difficulty
Edit: They just replied and said the resistance info there is going to be updated. https://twitter.com/Raticus79/status/636644310054670337
Pyros_Eien
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yeah thats what im using as reference. dat rng
It uses the same % as the drop rate, so rare legendaries are still rare when converting. I did 50flails to get the blessed shield one and didn't get it. I actually got ancient versions of almost every other flail in the game, but not a single gryfin. So yeah, SMK is still gonna be annoying to get.
Eh, highest wizard on the leaderboard right now is only GR 62 (and hilariously enough isn't using sparker) which is a couple ranks lower than all the other classes save Crusader.
just DESTROYED a 40 greater rift with my monk friend, which we couldnt finish before the patch. Fun fun fun.
gonna try that rotating element ring on my WD, I hear even if you just play normal (without tryign to time the correct element) its still a big dps boost. plus Im trying out rings now that Im not using the set reduction one
using furnace cube weapon passive until I get my starmetal kukri and 100% pet dmg on gear passive, and the new helltooth 2p to go along with zuni for carnevil. Carnevil with only 5 fetiches shooting and the rest tanking is much better btw, for my playstyle at least.
also using the new dmg near enemies passive, but it seems way too risky, especially considering when it gets up there when things are hard again, so im gonna drop it now for bad medicine probably, no point in using it as a crutch if ill just drop it later
good times
gonna try that rotating element ring on my WD, I hear even if you just play normal (without tryign to time the correct element) its still a big dps boost. plus Im trying out rings now that Im not using the set reduction one
using furnace cube weapon passive until I get my starmetal kukri and 100% pet dmg on gear passive, and the new helltooth 2p to go along with zuni for carnevil. Carnevil with only 5 fetiches shooting and the rest tanking is much better btw, for my playstyle at least.
also using the new dmg near enemies passive, but it seems way too risky, especially considering when it gets up there when things are hard again, so im gonna drop it now for bad medicine probably, no point in using it as a crutch if ill just drop it later
good times
So sad I can't play this now/at Season launch. Goddamn my GPU for finally dying .
Like I mentioned before feel free to take me off the clan if you need room, I don't have any sort of ETA. This was a laptop so I'm gonna have to build a completely new rig. I should know tomorrow or Friday if I have this job I'm hoping to land, if so I can order parts immediately, if not I'll probably have to wait a bit. #struggle
. Like I mentioned before feel free to take me off the clan if you need room, I don't have any sort of ETA. This was a laptop so I'm gonna have to build a completely new rig. I should know tomorrow or Friday if I have this job I'm hoping to land, if so I can order parts immediately, if not I'll probably have to wait a bit. #struggle
CarbonatedFalcon
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Not playing yet, waiting for the season start, but I'll be in there. Not sure what I want to roll with this season. Maybe Barb?
Or perhaps finally a witch doctor which I've never had past like 10.
Demon Hunter is probably too boring for me after having done it the past couple seasons.
Or perhaps finally a witch doctor which I've never had past like 10.
Demon Hunter is probably too boring for me after having done it the past couple seasons.
Thinking of doing a fucked up full support build on my WD to play coop with my OP monk friend, basically getting as much "% dmg from all sources" effects, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't out weight my self nerfing. Could be fun tho, I'm a big fan of weird specs
So sad I can't play this now/at Season launch. Goddamn my GPU for finally dying
Like I mentioned before feel free to take me off the clan if you need room, I don't have any sort of ETA. This was a laptop so I'm gonna have to build a completely new rig. I should know tomorrow or Friday if I have this job I'm hoping to land, if so I can order parts immediately, if not I'll probably have to wait a bit. #struggle
Damn that sucks.
Yes. More time to shoot dudes in Destiny I guess though.
New sets for Monk, Sader, WD. Every class is getting a bit of love and slight changes though. More info here if you want to get in depth http://www.diablofans.com/news/48504-patch-2-3-roundup-2-3-releasing-tomorrow
Personally going with Monk this season.
Well, no. The higher levels of difficulty just got harder instead. Everyone else can cube in extra effects as well. Wizards aren't unique. Everyone can cube Furnaces too if the wanted.
What an amazing patch! I'm glad I waited and didn't try PTR or read too much about it. It's like a completely different game, possibly the biggest improvement since RoS. Scratch that, easily the biggest improvement since RoS.
The best thing about it is how now all of a sudden I can't stop making plans for what I will be doing next and how. Previously it all boiled down to 'farm bounties for a better RoRG' 'farm rifts for items and keys and hope for the best, decide on a slot to gamble with Kadala' (with abysmal droprate for most of the things you want) and 'farm grifts and hope for the best, upgrade gems'.
Now, I'm figuring out which item or which build I want to go for next and finally there are ways of actually farming for a particular item at a decent pace. Sure, the things I'll be doing aren't all that much different, but the purpose and direction, the control over the RNG we now have is a complete gamechanger.
And it's virtually without drawbacks, at least for me. I never had the patience to actually farm up a full best-in-slot set for any class, I've only ever had 3 characters that were viable for T6 farming, so I can already tell this patch is going to have a very positive impact on the game's longevity for me.
Oh, and Helltooth WD is crazy good. Running the bear version for now (getting a good ancient SuWong and switching to Acid Cloud will be my weekend project I think) and I'm loving every second of it.
The best thing about it is how now all of a sudden I can't stop making plans for what I will be doing next and how. Previously it all boiled down to 'farm bounties for a better RoRG' 'farm rifts for items and keys and hope for the best, decide on a slot to gamble with Kadala' (with abysmal droprate for most of the things you want) and 'farm grifts and hope for the best, upgrade gems'.
Now, I'm figuring out which item or which build I want to go for next and finally there are ways of actually farming for a particular item at a decent pace. Sure, the things I'll be doing aren't all that much different, but the purpose and direction, the control over the RNG we now have is a complete gamechanger.
And it's virtually without drawbacks, at least for me. I never had the patience to actually farm up a full best-in-slot set for any class, I've only ever had 3 characters that were viable for T6 farming, so I can already tell this patch is going to have a very positive impact on the game's longevity for me.
Oh, and Helltooth WD is crazy good. Running the bear version for now (getting a good ancient SuWong and switching to Acid Cloud will be my weekend project I think) and I'm loving every second of it.
Got the cube first, then bounties at T7, which was easy as T6 and got 8 mats of every act.
I have SMK in the cube now and I am not sure I will ever replace it(unless I use one as my main weapon). Having BBV up all the time, several during boss fights which gives me better mobility is really good. Also put MoJ and RoRG in the cube. I have Focus and Restraint as my main rings now(decent rolls, can be better). With all the bonuses on, my fetishes can crit over 1 billion now!
Did some hellfire amu runs solo at T10, and could kill the bosses pretty quick, some problems with diablo though as he spawned other bosses.
Crafted 5-6 amu but no luck with the rolls yet.
Need to try that hellfire 2 set bonus, but not sure what to sacrifice. I have Zuni 6 set bonus which I really like. Need to experiment, unless someone can tell me if it's better than 6p-Zuni, focus/restraint or MoJ.
I am loving the new patch. I am excited to try some new builds later and try some new combos with the cube. I am curious about the new spider set and how viable they are at higher difficulties. Even if it's not, maybe it's a fun build to play with at lower difficulties.
I have to say, the addition of the cube and a new area(although small) is something I expected in a new expansion pack, not a patch
I have SMK in the cube now and I am not sure I will ever replace it(unless I use one as my main weapon). Having BBV up all the time, several during boss fights which gives me better mobility is really good. Also put MoJ and RoRG in the cube. I have Focus and Restraint as my main rings now(decent rolls, can be better). With all the bonuses on, my fetishes can crit over 1 billion now!
Did some hellfire amu runs solo at T10, and could kill the bosses pretty quick, some problems with diablo though as he spawned other bosses.
Crafted 5-6 amu but no luck with the rolls yet.
Need to try that hellfire 2 set bonus, but not sure what to sacrifice. I have Zuni 6 set bonus which I really like. Need to experiment, unless someone can tell me if it's better than 6p-Zuni, focus/restraint or MoJ.
I am loving the new patch. I am excited to try some new builds later and try some new combos with the cube. I am curious about the new spider set and how viable they are at higher difficulties. Even if it's not, maybe it's a fun build to play with at lower difficulties.
I have to say, the addition of the cube and a new area(although small) is something I expected in a new expansion pack, not a patch
Pyros_Eien
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Ran some tests, Bounties on normal to master give 3 materials(2 in the main box and 1 in bonus box), so not very good in that regard. However, 2 changes make me think it might be worth to do 1 or 2 rounds of bounties as soon as you hit 70 on normal, rather than do the usual rifting. You get like 8-10recipes per bounties boxes and the 70 crafted legendaries don't take forgotten souls anymore(instead they use bounty materials). That means in one round of bounty, you can craft a few legendaries and because you get all the recipes pretty much from that one clear, you can start right away by crafting like a legendary 2H + augild 3pc or cain or whatever. You might be unlucky on recipes though cause there's really a ton of them, especially since it also has stupid jeweler designs, so you'd have to run another round of bounties(or at least a few, but I like running the full thing so you have an equal amount of materials).
That's a pretty decent boost of power right away I think. Doesn't take too long to do one round of bounties on normal even with garbage gear, and if you do say Augild chest+helm+shoulders and Sunder, you still have enough mats to cube at least one item(like say, Leoric's Crown for double gem bonus that you probably got for leveling anyway).
That's a pretty decent boost of power right away I think. Doesn't take too long to do one round of bounties on normal even with garbage gear, and if you do say Augild chest+helm+shoulders and Sunder, you still have enough mats to cube at least one item(like say, Leoric's Crown for double gem bonus that you probably got for leveling anyway).
I hate that the Spider set is the same pieces as the helltooth set. You can't have 6p and 2p from the other like zuni can. Zuni is so versatile with what you can have (ring, off hand)... grrr. I want to do a spider build but that 2p helltooth is so good
Shuggananas
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Use RoRG then ?
They both have the same 6 pieces. RoRG reduces by 1. That's 5 for the Spider set (lets say head, shoulders, torso, hands and legs) for the 6p. Leaves 1 for helltooth (feet), need 2 for 2p.
Shuggananas
Banned
Oh I'm used to combining wiz sets that usually have like 10pc
IbukiLordSA
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The new belt and bracers for Demon Hunter are pretty insane, completed a 52grift with 7 minutes to spare and didn't die once, that damage reduction from the bracers are crazy. Am running Nats build so didn't have much help from Kanai in terms of weapon passive, it seems to suit the UE multishot build much more than Nats build.
Will switch over the my UE Demon Hunter and see what happens there.
Will switch over the my UE Demon Hunter and see what happens there.
Uliana Monk easy.
Just press one button to win.
After playing so many high APM Monk specs for years... finally we get one that I can use without destroying my KB.
Shuggananas
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Now we need a whirlwind-like build
Monk has Tempest Rush build with SWK.
So they basically just need to make a 6 PC SWK and then it would be competitive as well.
StarlordDial
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Hopefully i'll be ready for s4 ....rolling dh again as i like it more than wiz still
kunai cube concept is weird ;_; what set up for that thing should I go for? :O
kunai cube concept is weird ;_; what set up for that thing should I go for? :O
Pyros_Eien
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For the extracts, it's fairly standard stuff in general.
For weapon, you go Furnace(50%dmg against elites) or whatever your class specific weapons effects give that you'd need more than this(example sparkler for wizard for 2 hydras or SMK for WD for voodoo uptime).
For jewelry, ring of royal grandeur is an obvious one, convention of elements, unity, obsidian ring of zodiac. The basic stuff, whatever you can't fit on your char so you can use Focus and Restraint for yourself.
For armor, it's highly dependant on your class, there's a few possible generic choices(cindercoat for 30% fire cost reduction is a pretty nice one for example or leoric's crown for double effect on the helm gem) but mostly you're going to cube one of these build specific legendaries so you have more room to get a 2pc set for something else and so on.
Before you get these, you kinda cube whatever's useful so you have something at all.
Shuggananas
Banned
Manageable. 100 extracts will demand some farm but that's it, the rest seems alright
Only the TX speedrun could require some luck and precise gear
GR60 solo won't be hard?
Most classes will be pushing close to GR70 this season (if not above), GR60 is very doable even for normal people. I mean it's not going to happen over night but you won't need BiS perfect rolled (including secondary stats) items to reach it.
My non-season barb only has like 1 ancient item right now (no ancient weapons) and GR 55 is very manageable. A lot of my stuff is rolled fairly poorly as well.
Pyros_Eien
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Not if you play most of the season, or like a good amount. It's more or less GR50 prepatch with the Kanai cube addition, so that's realistically doable even if you don't go crazy. It will require a fair amount of time, but so does everything else in that list. I guess it is the only one you can't get carried on though.
toastyToast
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Cubed Unity and the reduced damage brings it down a bit. Not quite what it was before.
Not sure how good comparison point barbs are because as of now they are borderline Godtier with WW build and, like you mention yourself, don't need that good gear to do great.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
We're almost there!
We are 2 people, looking for another 2 chill people on EU who wants to start rolling XP farm as soon as the patch goes live! When we start farming, we don't stop unless it's for small breaks! Mic isn't required (we're gonna be on Mumble) but it makes things more fun.
PM me if you're interested!
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This IS the route we're going to be following!
We are 2 people, looking for another 2 chill people on EU who wants to start rolling XP farm as soon as the patch goes live! When we start farming, we don't stop unless it's for small breaks! Mic isn't required (we're gonna be on Mumble) but it makes things more fun.
PM me if you're interested!
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This IS the route we're going to be following!
Spacecowboy77
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Zomg, Yoshi is back in D3!
I'll be on but I don't have a lot of time to play nowadays
Barbarians aren't even the highest class on the leaderboard atm (that is WD) and most the high end barbarians are running a HoTA build right now anyway (which seems to be about on par with WW).
If it makes you feel any better though my monk has garbage tier gear all of which I crafted today using the cube (minus a hat where I literally rolled the STR away for DEX) and she cleared GR 49 in 11 minutes on her first try. If her gear was at least as good as my barbarians she would very much be capable of GR55 as well.
In season 3 I got the portrait frame in ~2 weeks of playing. Looks like it won't be that easy this time.
Shuggananas
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I would have joined but I don't think I can be as available as you need, another time maybeWe're almost there!
We are 2 people, looking for another 2 chill people on EU who wants to start rolling XP farm as soon as the patch goes live! When we start farming, we don't stop unless it's for small breaks! Mic isn't required (we're gonna be on Mumble) but it makes things more fun.
PM me if you're interested!
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This IS the route we're going to be following!
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