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Did the Nintendo bump ruin Platinum Games?
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COD was the best selling game in the US and FIFA was the best selling game in the Europe. Both games were selling over 20 million units respectively. Can we blame Playstation and Xbox gamers now?
Fortress of Regrets
Member
Cereza and the Lost Demon was really good. I enjoyed it a lot more than the mid as fuck Bayo 3.
Platinum has always been a mixed bag with some good highs and some unfortunate lows, sprinkled with some mediocrity.
Platinum has always been a mixed bag with some good highs and some unfortunate lows, sprinkled with some mediocrity.
Robb
Gold Member
Astro Bot could’ve gotten a perfect 100/100 and these people would still be complaining that it “would've gotten a 100+ if it was a Nintendo game”.
Ponderling
Member
The Nintendo 'bump' was just the defib keeping PG on life support.
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donkey_oaty
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PanzerCute
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Vanquish and Bayonetta 1/2 are some of the finest action games ever released imo.
SweetTooth
Banned
How dare you!! Nintendo does no wrong ever!! They invented everything!!
JimboJones
Member
Fixed that for you.
Porcile
Member
Of the games of theirs that I have played, they have all had some weird shit in them. Bayonetta series has too many QTEs and pointless running around. MadWorld has ridiculous motion controls and eye scarring visuals. Wonderful 101 put dodge and block mechanics as optional upgrades. Rising Revengence has Zandatsu and QTEs that get really old, really fast. Star Fox Zero has dumb controls. Astral Chain tries to do way too much. Sol Cresta is a good but pretty ameutrish attempt at a shmup in many ways and so on and so on.
Itchy Tickles
Member
I'm no Nintendo fan at all, but maybe part of the issue was exclusivity, eg, having Bayonetta 2+3 on on Switch sucks. The Switch hardware pissed me off anytime I used it. I remember seeing videos of Bayonetta 2, and the frame rate and hitching was so bad I wouldn't even try to play it. Of course, the graphics took a hit, too, but that was the sacrifice to run a console level game on a weak tablet. It's a fast-paced game with lots of on-screen movement and effects, but the Switch struggles and just made it so bad, even if people ended up liking it quite a bit, I personally couldn't suffer through that performance. If a game runs like crap it's crap. I don't pay full price for games and accept them running like shit is OK, regardless of platform.
I remember Platnium Games being some sort industry standard when E3 was a still a thing. Vanquish had amazing gameplay, Bayonetta was OTT but absolutely fitted and was super fun. When Meta Gear Revengence was struggling for years, they were announced as the saviours of it basically, and it got really big headlines. Then it felt like after they joined Nintendo, something changed. Their quality was no longer consistent, and instead of seeing their logo on a game and being excited, you started to think it had a real chance to be mediocre at best.
I don't know what happened, but the blame may be more on Platinum Games than Nintendo here. Unless something drastic behind the scenes happened and Nintendo were constantly interfering or demanding X and Y, but who knows at this point?
I think off the top of my head, Xbox had / has a worse reputation of buying studios and then actually killing them. Rare being an example, being reduced to making 3D avatar items for example, while their fans wanted more Banjo etc
I remember Platnium Games being some sort industry standard when E3 was a still a thing. Vanquish had amazing gameplay, Bayonetta was OTT but absolutely fitted and was super fun. When Meta Gear Revengence was struggling for years, they were announced as the saviours of it basically, and it got really big headlines. Then it felt like after they joined Nintendo, something changed. Their quality was no longer consistent, and instead of seeing their logo on a game and being excited, you started to think it had a real chance to be mediocre at best.
I don't know what happened, but the blame may be more on Platinum Games than Nintendo here. Unless something drastic behind the scenes happened and Nintendo were constantly interfering or demanding X and Y, but who knows at this point?
I think off the top of my head, Xbox had / has a worse reputation of buying studios and then actually killing them. Rare being an example, being reduced to making 3D avatar items for example, while their fans wanted more Banjo etc
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TheDarkPhantom
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Cool story, we aren't talking about Clover/Kamiya pre-Platinum, that's another thread, feel free to make it
Skifi28
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Gambit2483
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Anyone saying Astral Chain is crap clearly hasn't played Astral Chain. It's easily one of the best character action games on Switch.
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Walter Matthau
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Bayo 2 is far superior to 1. It’s pure fun from start to finish.
Madserb2023
Member
Platinum is the reason not Nintendo. Their games of late have just not been good.
tomato shrub
Member
Nier Automata outsold their entire Nintendo output combined. I know they had severe troubles finding publishers for Bayonetta, but clearly Nintendo wasn't a great choice either. The (potential) audience for their genre just isn't on platforms like WiiU/Switch.
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daclynk
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tomato shrub
Member
I have my problems with Metal Gear Rising but it's definitely a classic too.
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Platinum Games are just idiots. That's what happens when you accept Nintendo money and go full exclusive, serves them right.
am I doing this right gaf?
daclynk
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00_Zer0
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Without Nintendo Bayonetta 2 and 3 wouldn't exist so not sure the logic of having new games in a series vs none at all. The only thing Nintendo had to do with it is funding the games, they are not inherently bad just because they were released on Nintendo platforms. Yes, people are pissed about a Wii U/ Switch only releases because of weaker hardware, but Platinum were free to make whatever game they wanted. I'm actually hoping for a complete trilogy release on Switch 2 with 4K/60 fps gameplay with extras. Maybe owners of the Switch games will get a free upgrade? Or maybe it will cost a small amount? Either way I'm up for it and whatever comes next for Bayonetta.
Chukhopops
Member
This. But I think the technical limitations really hurt both games, between AC at 30 fps and Bayo3 running at super low res most of the time.
If anything the Bayo series died in the public eye with Bayo 2 since it was a Wii U exclusive for such a long time. And character action games aren’t the most popular genre those days anyway (sadly).
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Platinum Games is one developer who has not put out one single game that I have liked.
Not one.
I hated Bayonetta.
Not one.
I hated Bayonetta.
Kikorin
Member
Astral Chain was awesome, soon or later I'm pretty optimistic we'll have a sequel.
Bayonetta 3 was awesome too, but this one will continue as a series no matter what. If they were doing them just for sales, they'd have never acquired the IP and would have let it die after the first chapter.
Bayonetta 3 was awesome too, but this one will continue as a series no matter what. If they were doing them just for sales, they'd have never acquired the IP and would have let it die after the first chapter.
diffusionx
Gold Member
OP, time for your meds
Woopah
Member
Why would it being 10 years mean there is a port?
That's mostly true, but there are Nintendo EPD staff who worked on all Platinum's collaborations with Nintendo.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
El Muerto
Member
They will certainly be better off if they werent owned by Nintendo. I love all the games from Platinum. Bayonetta was the only reason i got a switch. I dont care about Zelda or Mario either. If their games were on steam they would be making more money, build a bigger fanbase, and put out more games.
Woopah
Member
But they are not owned by Nintendo.
Closer
Member
Wow. Are we back to the Bayonetta 2 meltdown thread? Is this 2012?
Robb
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Tams
Member
Complain all you want, but Nintendo were the only ones willing to put the cash in to see Bayonetta 2 finished and released, and Bayonetta 3 even made.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Haven't played Astral Chain of Bayo 3, but Bayo 2 was such an incredibly large jump in quality over 1. I struggle to understand people's obsession with the first game.
Itchy Tickles
Member
Stating facts = complaining now? Put down your Nintendo fanboy shield for just a second. I said the Switch was weak hardware, which it was on the day of release. I never even hinted that I was upset that more Bayonetta games were made, I said Bayonetta was OTT in a good way and was super fun. Why would I not want more of that? Why are you creating your own narrative just to be offended? More importantly, I was DEFENDING Nintendo for once, and said it would appear to be on the side of Platinum Games for their apparent lose of consistency. Jesus Christ, grow up.
PanzerCute
Member
Yes, this is true.
PurePlatinum
Member
Bayo 3 isn't as good as 1/2, but it's still a great action title. I feel that the development was hindered by it being clearly planned for a Switch Pro that didn't materialize. Only game I can think of where it graphically looks far worse than it's predecessors do on the same hardware.
PurePlatinum
Member
Also shoutout to The Wonderful 101 being the best action game of all-time.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I have an 8 hour shift ahead of me, too...
That's the only kind of bump the OP has going on here.
blacktout
Member
Still being angry enough about Bayonetta 2's exclusivity to make a drunk thread about it a decade later is some Japanese holdout shit. You almost have to admire the devotion. The war will never truly be over in their hearts, even as the world moves on without them.
poodaddy
Member
Bro....you just woke up this morning and chose to wage a console war against the dastardly, evil Nintendo mega corporation huh?
Right on bro, carry on commencing with what is certainly not just routine console warring.
Saturn Dragon
Member
Regarding Bayonetta 1... I remember back in 2013 people recommended it to me when I asked for hack and slash games because I was missing my God of war dose after finishing GoW 3 and Ascension back to back on Ps3.
Everyone raving about Platinum and Bayonetta saying that it was the superior hack and slash experience back then. That GoW games were not as good and so on.
Tried Bayonetta for 30 minutes and forgot about it. Maybe I had some sort of game fatigue (I used to play for 6 to 8 hours non stop on weekends, and sometimes during the week had a lot of free time) and couldn't get into it.
Maybe I should give it another chance?
Ps: I remember a similar situation after finishing Gears 3 and Judgment, people telling me crazy things about the third person cover shooter by Platinum, I can't even remember its name now. It was cool, played it all, but for some reason didn't enjoy it that much, felt a bit empty and repetitive. I think I had a better time with the one made by Sega Yakuza team.
Everyone raving about Platinum and Bayonetta saying that it was the superior hack and slash experience back then. That GoW games were not as good and so on.
Tried Bayonetta for 30 minutes and forgot about it. Maybe I had some sort of game fatigue (I used to play for 6 to 8 hours non stop on weekends, and sometimes during the week had a lot of free time) and couldn't get into it.
Maybe I should give it another chance?
Ps: I remember a similar situation after finishing Gears 3 and Judgment, people telling me crazy things about the third person cover shooter by Platinum, I can't even remember its name now. It was cool, played it all, but for some reason didn't enjoy it that much, felt a bit empty and repetitive. I think I had a better time with the one made by Sega Yakuza team.