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[Shaki12345]

PS4 baseline was my expectation, and they managed it. 3rd parties prove it.

My only big disappointment is that the Nintendo games don't really push the hardware, MKWorld doesn't look better than MK8 and DKBananza doesn't look that much better than Odyssey. MP4 is a NS1 upgrade and looks more impressive than both.

MK World doesn't look better than MK8?

Are you for real mate?

 

[GigaBowser]

Cyberpunk 2077 on Switch 2 impressed me, but it's the statement of intent it means for Nintendo that's stuck with me

Hands-on | No you're breathtaking: Cyberpunk 2077's Switch 2 performance has blown me away – this console can do blockbusters

www.gamesradar.com

 

[CrustyBritches]

switch 2 is a beest

Is that different than steam deck?

 

[Pop]

Sure sorta

But 30 fps and lower is a deal breaker

 

[rkofan87]

Well, as expected, a slightly improved base PS4 and now watching the latest DF video.

its 4k so imo its more or less a ps4 pro.

 

[GigaBowser]

Is that different than steam deck?

derstoys steam deck my friends

 

[CrustyBritches]

derstoys steam deck my friends

What res and settings?

 

[vodka-bull]

I didn't expect much from Nintendo, S2 is a tiny bit better visually than the OG Seitch so I guess they met my expectations.

 

[Shaki12345]

It can run Star Wars Outlaws. Obviously it's more advanced in tech than PS4. Raw power numbers dont mean anything.

 

[Bernardougf]

Pretty much what I expected... overpriced machine with 10 year old looking graphics.

 

[EverydayBeast]

How can you be impressed with Nintendo graphics when advancements have been made on pc, series x and ps5 pro?

 

[RoadHazard]

Well it's not far off from XB1 as a handheld.

I'm not sure the XB1 could run MKW at 1080p60. It could barely run games at 1080p at all, almost everything on it was 900p or lower.

 

[RoadHazard]

MK World doesn't look better than MK8?

Are you for real mate?

Visually it's not a big leap over MK8. Track detail etc seems very similar, perhaps even lower. The big difference, of course, is that MKW renders a much larger world around the tracks.

 

[Lysandros]

I'm not sure the XB1 could run MKW at 1080p60. It could barely run games at 1080p at all, almost everything on it was 900p or lower.

If XB1 can run Forza Motorsport 7 at 1080P/60 FPS, it can run MKW at 1080P/60 FPS i would say.

 

[Shaki12345]

Visually it's not a big leap over MK8. Track detail etc seems very similar, perhaps even lower. The big difference, of course, is that MKW renders a much larger world around the tracks.

Bro.

 

[Robb]

If XB1 can run Forza Motorsport 7 at 1080P/60 FPS, it can run MKW at 1080P/60 FPS i would say.

Wouldn't Forza Horizon 5 be a more fitting comparison, given that's the open-world version?

 

[Baemono]

Why? Its 2025 you know.

Not according to the Nintendo calendar, they're in 2017 still

 

[VolticArchangel]

In line, ever since that parts list of the Switch 2 and the Nvidia T239 soc got leaked.

Series S level when docked (with DLSS) on tv.
PS4 level when handheld (with DLSS, and a way better cpu).

Real perf will start to surface when the current gen only ports and the impossible ports are out.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Upcoming first party games visually look very underwhelming, but I'm not the target audience for this thing so what do I know. I'm not the kind of guy who chases the best visuals, but I would expect better from a 2025 hardware (that's not a budget product).

 

[Lysandros]

Series S level when docked (with DLSS) on tv.
PS4 level when handheld (with DLSS, and a way better cpu).

Not quite, no.

 

[Von Hugh]

Matching PS4, a console from 2013, is in line with my expectations.

 

[PeteBull]

In line, ever since that parts list of the Switch 2 and the Nvidia T239 soc got leaked.

Series S level when docked (with DLSS) on tv.
PS4 level when handheld (with DLSS, and a way better cpu).

Real perf will start to surface when the current gen only ports and the impossible ports are out.

Think of switch2 comparision vs base ps4(in handheld mode) or vs ps4pr0(when docked) same way like current gen series s vs old gen xbox one x- old console has much stronger gpu, new one has weaker gpu but visibly stronger cpu and modern features(and ssd).
Games look(except resolution, but thats not all to how the games look, settings/fluidity matters a lot after all, not just plain resolution game runs at) and play better on newer mashine despite its flaw(weaker gpu).

Here DF did comparision between those 2 mashines across quite a few games 10 months ago.


We will have very clear comparisions, including checking stress points, right at launch when we can test multiplat juggernauts(30m+ sold copies) like hogwards legacy and cp2077 but imho switch2 gonna be a winner in those vs ps4/pr0.

 

[cireza]

I will be able to answer after I played the system for a few months/years.

Visually it's not a big leap over MK8. Track detail etc seems very similar, perhaps even lower. The big difference, of course, is that MKW renders a much larger world around the tracks.

This. The difference is barely noticeable. Mario Kart 8 is 1080p@60fps on Switch and looks almost as good. The only thing that you can easily spot is that the areas are much larger, but they don't look much better.

 

[RoadHazard]

Bro.

Dude.

 

[xenosys]

I expected a PS4/PS4 Pro-level visual experience with DLSS to either bump up the frames or hold whatever the console was outputting to 30 FPS and that's probably what we're getting.

The Switch was a generation behind on release. This one will be 2 behind in a few years time.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I expected Xbox One level of graphics, that's what we got. I have to credit Nintendo for meeting and exceeding my pricing expectations though; I knew Nintendo were horrible evil greedy bastards, but they've gone to the next level fair play

 

[Davevil]

what graphic capabilities?

 

[Xdrive05]

Absolutely. The "best realistic case scenario" actually came true, which is NOT very Nintendo-like, thankfully.

Switch 1 was also a move in the right direction for them, but it still came in under expectations especially due to the clock reductions they did.

Switch 2 is the first Nintendo console since Gamecube to actually impress me with what it's doing in its respective form factor and power budget, at its price point. Any better would have been completely unrealistic, and any worse (maybe a lot worse) would have actually been par for the course for them. Couldn't be happier.

 

[anyasok]

I expected crap and I got it. What more can be said?

 

[Lysandros]

Wouldn't Forza Horizon 5 be a more fitting comparison, given that's the open-world version?

You think MKW is as graphically intensive as Forza Horizon 5? Could Switch 2 double its FPS?

 

[daclynk]

I expected Xbox One level of graphics, that's what we got. I have to credit Nintendo for meeting and exceeding my pricing expectations though; I knew Nintendo were horrible evil greedy bastards, but they've gone to the next level fair play

Can the Xbox One level graphics run Star Wars Outlaws.

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[Robb]

You think MKW is as graphically intensive as Forza Horizon 5? Could Switch 2 double its FPS?

I don't play any of these racing games, but I'd imagine Forza Horizon 5 is fairly graphically similar to Forza Motorsport 7, with the distinction of also being a huge open-world game.

So if you're comparing Mario Kart World to the performance of any XB1 Forza game, the Horizon series seems more adequate/representative.

Whether the game should be compared to Forza at all is another question.

 

[memoryman3]

Yeah, except its not. I let you think about it for a bit.

Should have stayed lurking, 56 posts-poster and suddenly since March active again.

What isn't? What are you comparing it with?

The bolded is so random, its clowncore logic.

You say this and you say it lacks full deferred rendering. In other words you don't know what you are saying but you use simplistic platitudes to carry the agenda across.

Mario Kart 8 on Wii U uses a simpler technique that is less demanding on memory bandwidth to shade the scene, known as a light pre-pass. Whereas deferred rendering writes a large amount of data to the screen space geometry buffer (material roughness, colour, specular intensity and more), Mario Kart 8 only considers basic information like the normal maps and specular maps, resulting in flatter, more uniform lighting. Mario Kart World is using the same technique, which puts it far behind graphically advanced titles on current and even last gen platforms. It is more in line with what you would see in a PS3/Xbox 360 game from 2008, just with better texturing and modelling. Which could explain the 1440p resolution.

Hogwarts Legacy's graphics configuration is based on the last gen PS4/Xbox One version, and it's running at 720p docked. Far from the next-gen Series S version that manages 1080p.

The price is high when put up against the Xbox Series S, a system four times as capable, and it goes against Nintendo's image as an affordable family friendly brand. The Switch 2 would be far better received if it was $350 and had better battery life. I don't even believe Nintendo needs to have backwards compatibility, just port the best titles over to the new system!

 

[Redneckerz]

Mario Kart 8 on Wii U uses a simpler technique that is less demanding on memory bandwidth to shade the scene, known as a light pre-pass.

That's post 57 for you.

A lot of games do light pre-passes, whether in deferred rendering or in more traditional setups were static lights are involved.

Whereas deferred rendering writes a large amount of data to the screen space geometry buffer (material roughness, colour, specular intensity and more), Mario Kart 8 only considers basic information like the normal maps and specular maps, resulting in flatter, more uniform lighting.

Oh boi, i so would love for you to come up with some papers to prove your point!

Mario Kart World is using the same technique, which puts it far behind other graphically advanced titles on current and even last gen platforms. It is more in line with what you would see in a PS3/Xbox 360 game from 2008, just with better texturing and modelling. Which could explain the 1440p resolution.

According to you.

Hogwarts Legacy's graphics configuration is based on the last gen PS4/Xbox One version, and it's running at 720p docked.

And again source. Or you know, the console isn't out yet so who are we to judge right?

The price is high when put up against the Xbox Series S, a system four times as capable, and it goes against Nintendo's image as an affordable family friendly brand. The Switch 2 would be far better received if it was $350 and had better battery life. I don't even believe Nintendo needs to have backwards compatibility, just port the best titles over to the new system!

Please call Miyamoto because Nintendo needs a marketing genius.

 

[mafon2]

I did expect the bare minimum from Nintendo, and they delivered exactly that. So, no surprises.

 

[Codes 208]

Its a switch with specs ranging between a steam deck and a rog ally exe, so yeah its within my expectations

Except for one: i was one of the 4k doubters, I'm impressed that they managed that with some games like MP4

Dude.

Guy

 

[GigaBowser]

Its a switch with specs ranging between a steam deck and a rog ally exe, so yeah its within my expectations

Except for one: i was one of the 4k doubters, I'm impressed that they managed that with some games like MP4

Guy

ahah no it has dlss and modern nvidia chipset annnnd all games will optermized on switch 2 performance will derstoy other handhelds

 

[Radical_3d]

Guy

Mate.

 

[Hohenheim]

My expectations was pretty, pretty low so sure. Yes.
Still.. all that 30fps is hard to swallow in 2025.
(By the grace of gods, give the Duskbloods a 60fps option)

 

[nordique]

If XB1 can run Forza Motorsport 7 at 1080P/60 FPS, it can run MKW at 1080P/60 FPS i would say.

I'm all for being technical but you're talking about xbox one, with it's jaguar cpu, 5GB Ram available for games, GCN 1.0 based GPU to switch 2's specs?

you think they are equivocal?

really?

 

[phant0m]

Met? Yes. Expected DLSS and one thousand and eighty p's

120hz/VRR was a pleasant surprise though.

 

[Pejo]

My expectations were low, but I'm more disappointed in their gimmick this time. Mouse mode for the joycons? These were the guys pushing glasses-less 3D on a handheld at one point.

Anyways, it's not necessarily that the Switch looks that bad right now at launch, but keep in mind this will be their tech for the next 5-8 years. And we all know that modern day devs aren't into optimization.

 

[reinking]

How can you be impressed with Nintendo graphics when advancements have been made on pc, series x and ps5 pro?

It meets my expectations for Nintendo but not for a next generation console. If that makes sense.

 

[clappedcheeks]

I'm not sure what Tom is implying with his comment but the fact he's a Microsoft nob jockey means it's probably derogatory, after all you've got to downplay the competition as much as possible when you're an MS teat sucker. Just ask Adam.

The switch 2 is a great piece of kit. Yes it's likely Microsoft will deliver something with more power on paper but it's saddled with a shite operating system and at a much higher price. It will also not have the advantage of Nintendo's gaming library, as let's be honest, they have a lot of experience delivering great gameplay experiences that I'm not certain that Microsoft can compete with.

 

[memoryman3]

I'm not sure what Tom is implying with his comment but the fact he's a Microsoft nob jockey means it's probably derogatory, after all you've got to downplay the competition as much as possible when you're an MS teat sucker. Just ask Adam.

The switch 2 is a great piece of kit. Yes it's likely Microsoft will deliver something with more power on paper but it's saddled with a shite operating system and at a much higher price. It will also not have the advantage of Nintendo's gaming library, as let's be honest, they have a lot of experience delivering great gameplay experiences that I'm not certain that Microsoft can compete with.

You mean the Xbox Windows handheld? It will be able to play almost every Nintendo game ever released. Battery life will be much better too.

 

[Blank Space Invader]

 

[Pimpbaa]

Was expecting last gen graphics, was not expecting next gen pricing of games (as in what I expect ps6 games to cost).

 

[TGO]

I personally think it's a great upgrade, it's a bit more expensive then I was expecting but not too bad.
The games and everything else though....yeah that's a big turn off.

 

[dcx4610]

Over. I expected 1080p docked and a little bit beefier hardware and gimmicks. I never saw 4K/60, 1080/120fps VRR, HDR and Gsync coming. The demo of CyberPunk looks outstanding and puts it on par with at least the PS4 and possibly PS4 Pro. Considering it's still technically a handheld and how much Nintendo historically doesn't care about specs, I'm impressed.