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Digital Foundry: Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 - PS5/Xbox Series X|S/PC Tech Review - Is 60FPS Viable on Consoles?
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kevboard
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it is an atypically large difference.
the only game that I know with a similarly large advantage for Series X is Apex Legends in the 120fps mode. where the PS5 version at first ran at half the resolution on average, and after multiple patches now tries to stay at the same or similar resolutions, at the cost of framerate stability. this leads to the PS5 regularly dropping below 90fps in scenes where the Series X sticks close to 120fps.
The only real difference between the XSX/XSS and PS5 CPU beyond negligble clock speed speed differences is the FPU, which has reduced performance in PS5 to save area. So hypothetically if the game really used AVX that could explain the difference beyond just software stuff.
Wild seeing the 7800X3D do 2x the frame rate of a 3600. This is like to most CPU limited game ever.
Wild seeing the 7800X3D do 2x the frame rate of a 3600. This is like to most CPU limited game ever.
saintjules
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PanzerCute
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I have played 2 hours of the game on PS5 and did not notice heavy frame drops. My big issue with the game is that the image is very soft and muddy.
Apart from that, killer game!
Apart from that, killer game!
saintjules
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Curious as I've seen you do this before, why not post all this at the top? Thanks for the summary though of course.
MostlyPeaceful
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Really not much to read into the frame rate advantage as this is an outlier result.
Such an outlier that DF themselves are surprised by it.
As much as people wish there were “patterns” - the only pattern going on the last 4 years is PS5 and Series X being the closest competing consoles of all time when it comes to performance in games.
Such an outlier that DF themselves are surprised by it.
As much as people wish there were “patterns” - the only pattern going on the last 4 years is PS5 and Series X being the closest competing consoles of all time when it comes to performance in games.
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saintjules
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh no...
This game's probably got one of, if not the, biggest gaps in multi-platform performance I've seen in a long while, since the days of Bayonetta PS3.
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Gaiff
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What GPU has he got paired with the 7800X3D? I don't think he specifies it, but I assume the 4070 he has shown in the rest of the video.Yep, this is quite insane but at the same time most games have that 60fps options and options are great, consoles didn't have them before 2016.
In this case we have so, so 60fps with bad IQ vs. stable, properly frame paced 30fps with decent IQ. Not that bad.
Game is clearly CPU limited:
So DF (and me) wonder why XSX version performs much better. XSX version is much better with higher FPS and much higher VRR range.
It stutters when some specific effects appear on the screen for the first time, so maybe every 20, 30 minutes (probably more at the start)?
Gaiff
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Actually PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution.
T4keD0wN
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Hard to say, could be anything, probably 4090, i dont think it matters since he is testing how the CPU performs there
MostlyPeaceful
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Posting the most cherry-picked screenshot you could have possibly found in the video to make this post is actually hilarious but not surprising.This game's probably got one of, if not the, biggest gaps in multi-platform performance I've seen in a long while, since the days of Bayonetta PS3.
RoboFu
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I haven't really noticed any shader stutter in the PC version, but I play at a locked 60 fps, so maybe they resolve within 16.66 ms and will only be visible at higher frame rates. This has happened for other games in the past. I have a beefy 12 core CPU that handles this game's swarms beautifully.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Er .. Yes ? It's to show the difference in the lows. When nothing's happening on screen, both games are at 60, no difference in situations like that, so kinda pointless to highlight.
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MostlyPeaceful
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Nah, I’ve seen too many to count over the years. I’ve lurked this forum since early 2014 before signing up earlier this year.You have not seen many of these threads huh?
I just expected a bit better from adamsapple, but I guess I gave him too much credit.
Rosoboy19
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Yeah, it’s weird. I mean, at some point the higher CU count and faster CPU clock in XSX should make a difference, right? Especially if a game is pushing the hardware to the max.
intbal
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Banishers had a large gap. But DF never tested it and those results were from youtubers with unproven reliability.
sncvsrtoip
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Well maybe indeed cpu will be problem in ps5pro ;d
Topher
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That's been the theory all generation, but rarely has it been a factor. Guess this is just one of those rare times.
MostlyPeaceful
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The screenshot you posted does not “show the difference in the lows”.
The screenshot you posted is an example of the absolute worst case scenario performance delta that only lasts a brief second before returning to a smaller delta.
The actual average delta of performance - at least according to the footage we have in the video - between the 2 consoles is not represented by the screenshot you posted and you know that, lol.
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Spyxos
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I was just thinking the other day how sharp the games on the ps4 pro and xbox one x were, last few games i played on consoles very extremly blurry.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There are entire stretches of combat segment(s) in the video that have a 10 or thereabout FPS gap, look at the graph line in this picture.
Like I already said above, when nothing's happening both consoles are at 60, but that's not really stressing either console either so posting pictures of empty spaces with both showing 60 is kinda pointless.
That was a great game. Deserved more love and coverage across the board.
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FlyyGOD
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Hellblade2
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I don't know what you are on but PS1 had more 60fps games than PS5Yep, this is quite insane but at the same time most games have that 60fps options and options are great, consoles didn't have them before 2016.
In this case we have so, so 60fps with bad IQ vs. stable, properly frame paced 30fps with decent IQ. Not that bad.
Game is clearly CPU limited:
So DF (and me) wonder why XSX version performs much better. XSX version is much better with higher FPS and much higher VRR range.
It stutters when some specific effects appear on the screen for the first time, so maybe every 20, 30 minutes (probably more at the start)?
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MostlyPeaceful
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I’m not talking about the times when both consoles, or even 1 console is at 60.There are entire stretches of combat segment(s) in the video that have a 10 or thereabout FPS gap, look at the graph line in this picture.
Like I already said above, when nothing's happening both consoles are at 60, but that's not really stressing either console either so posting pictures of empty spaces with both showing 60 is kinda pointless.
When both consoles are under 60, the average delta of performance is nowhere near the 16fps difference in the screenshot you posted, hence me pointing out the clownishness of cherry-picking that particular screenshot.
It would be like me selectively screenshotting a frame in the video where the consoles are only within 2 or 3fps of each other, and accompanying it with a post saying “not really that much of a difference, nothing to see here”.
That would be equally farther from the truth as what you posted.
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Desprado123
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Seriously DF is BS on Shader compilation.
I am playing this game and it is nearly stutter free. I can say it is one of the best port this year for PC (Yes it CPU heavy game).
I am playing this game and it is nearly stutter free. I can say it is one of the best port this year for PC (Yes it CPU heavy game).
Desprado123
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Focus Home, which is publisher there games are more PC side (DX Pro) just like CD Project, which can be reason PS5 having issues because Focus Home does not know how to optimize the API. Same happened with CD Red with The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk both ran worse on PS4.
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Gaiff
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PS1? Maybe PS2, and I don’t think that’s true either. Majority of PS5 games have a 60fps mode.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You're welcome to do that. Not sure why you're getting so worked up over a screenshot clearly showing the worst case scenario.
The game needing to render at the low resolutions that it does, with DRS, probably means consoles have GPU restrictions to work around too.
Desprado123
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Even he Agree with me. One of the best PC port this year. Best UE5 optimize game.
Timberwolf25
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It's very rarely the case where both SX and PS5 are within a 1-2 frames of each other in "speed" mode in gameplay. Most of the time, it's 8-10 frames, going as high a ~16 fps difference.
Still think something else is going on here besides just being CPU limited
Still think something else is going on here besides just being CPU limited
MostlyPeaceful
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Not worked up at all actually.
This is just a disingenuous post and I decided to point it out, that’s all.This game's probably got one of, if not the, biggest gaps in multi-platform performance I've seen in a long while, since the days of Bayonetta PS3.
Pretty sure we’ve seen at least a few games in the last decade with an ~7-10fps average difference in performance. Highly doubt you’ll need to go back to the PS3 days to find an outlier like this.
Timberwolf25
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Since you'll probably get a PS5 Pro, it was probably the right call right?I bought the PS5 version over the XSX one.
ManaByte
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The game doesn't even have a 120hz mode. Not holding out hopes for a Pro patch.
Timberwolf25
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Well then, bad call
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Desprado123
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Seriously People are underestimating DX12 advantage, MS on 2015 highlighted that optimizing game on PC will help developers to easily port game on Xbox as well as both API are same.,
Maybe the developers mainly optimized the game for PC just like Black Myth Wong (not releasing maybe due to Xbox Series S or other reason) and had issues on PS5 same like this game.
Maybe the developers mainly optimized the game for PC just like Black Myth Wong (not releasing maybe due to Xbox Series S or other reason) and had issues on PS5 same like this game.
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Bojji
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I like your way of thinking but this would make 3600 also perform much better than PS5.
For CPU limited games, try Hogwarts Legacy or Jedi Survivor with RT, this game is not on the same level haha.
Probably 4090, just testing CPUs.
Yep, PS5 has like ~90% of games with performance options, most of them hit that target. PS2 had probably around ~50% or less and PS1? 10%?
saintjules
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I am thinking to get the PS5 version myself but I don't think we should expect all devs to start making updates for the Pro just yet.
If what was said about the mandate for games to be patched to play on the Pro to be true on or after Sept. 16, then this game is released a week prior to that. Maybe they don't optimize it further for the Pro. I'm sure they would consider it but the Series X working a bit better here makes me want to try it there.
Trogdor1123
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Pc wizards, I have a 5800x3d, a amd 6800, and 32 gigs of ddr4. What should I expect, roughly? I’d like to hit 1080p/60 but could I hope for more?
King Dazzar
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Yeah but it should improve the DRS and/or FPS regardless.
rickybooby87
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I bought for PC. But, having said that, this being the largest gap that I've seen in a direct head-to-head, kind of funny that no one is like "Probably a bug/further optimization needed" which I know why none of that was mentioned, it's so that Alex and Co. can feel validated about their stance on the XSX in the run up to the launch. Ladies and gents, VELOCITY ARCHITECTURE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT.
