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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them
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Quick Mustard
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Just read it.
To be honest, it sounds amazing, but its all the spoilers cobbled together over the past few weeks / days.
IE: Still no explanation as to why the crack is there, which I'm hoping my be partially explained in the episode.
infiniteloop
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Doubt it. was all posted before the trailer and promo pic which seems to back it up.
whoops, my mistake.
I imagine the main difference that makes Metacrisis Doctor count and those instances of using regeneration energy not is that the former results in a full-fledged transformation (even if it's not Ten to Eleven, it still produces a body and personality) whereas the latter has no impact on the Doctor's physiology aside from shaving some years off I guess.
I think if they didn't count Metacrisis, it raises the idea that the Doctor technically would never have to regenerate at all: anytime he was fatally hurt, he could just channel the regeneration energy into something else, healing himself, keeping his current appearance and not having any of it count towards the 12-limit total. This way, there's still a consequence to regenerating, even if Ten himself didn't change.
BrokenFiction
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Somebody has posted the spoiler to Wikipedia. Watch out if you don't want to get spoiled!
Eteric Rice
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Quick Mustard
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Apparently, this is from the Official App:
(Shamelessly stolen from GB)
Image possibly showing the Title of the Christmas Episode
(Shamelessly stolen from GB)
Image possibly showing the Title of the Christmas Episode
Quick Mustard
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Hmm, quoting myself here, but looking at the image, the ST Johns Ambulance sign is missing, so maybe this isnt official.
The Elite
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Do we know the running time of this episode?
Seems like an awful lot of content that is going to be rushed.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm thinking that's intentional. Which I kind of like. There's a spoiler-dump, but the explanation - the WHY - is not being revealed. Just the what. The skeleton of the plot, laid out point by point, without any of the connective tissue that explains why it's in the shape its in.
That's a pretty cool way to do it. If that's in fact what's happening.
APZonerunner
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If you were to write out the events of A Christmas Carol or even The Runaway Bride on paper they'd seem longer than an hour, I think.
This sounds like a total retread of The Pandorica Opens.
I saw this the other week, doesn't look official to me. Also
The Silence is on the Doctor's side at Christmas. So it'd be a bit weird for them to attack the TARDIS like that.
Edit: yep, looks like it's from Deviantart http://umbridge1986.deviantart.com/art/DOCTOR-WHO-CHRISTMAS-SPECIAL-2013-389925707
Its fake, thats a fanmade poster that was posted back in august by a user who does a lot of these:
http://umbridge1986.deviantart.com/art/DOCTOR-WHO-CHRISTMAS-SPECIAL-2013-389925707
edit: beaten by Slowdive's edit.
APZonerunner
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Bet Moffat's properly naffed off RTD used the "Death of the Doctor" title.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I've been thinking of this for weeks lololol
DiipuSurotu
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Hot Coldman
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This is brilliant. Guess it was in front of the cinema screenings, nice of Paramount to put it online though.
Really?
He explained the cracks in time (more-or-less; I'm aware there's still some stuff unexplained) by the end of the 5th season, having set them up at the beginning of the same season.
He explained who River Pond was (Amy and Rory's daughter/why she can regenerate/how and why she married the Doctor), who the Silent are, where the mystery time machine from 'The Lodger' and what the question is by the end of the 6th season, having set them up at the end of the 5th season.
He explained what Trenzalore is by the end of the 7th season, having set it up as significant at the end of the 6th, and what makes Clara special by the end of the season too having set it up the first time we meet her.
Every time something mysterious appears, by the end of the next season we've discovered what it is. Nothing is allowed to remain mysterious, like the end of the Time War (although that's now explained), or what the Cruciform is, or what the Nightmare Child was. Something becomes mysterious and significant, then a year later it's explained and gone. It just feels like forced plotting to me. The Doctor just lurches from significant event to significant event.
Some people in here just cannot appreciate a long setup or a multi-season arc/storyline, something which I absolutely adore.
Including the War Doctor, Smith is the 12. To get to 12, starting from 1 you need 11 regenerations. 1 extra one for Tennant. 11+1=12.
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So let me see if I understand this regeneration thing;
I guess this makes sense, except that
Also of course
Moffat has got a lot of stuff to tie up with the Christmas Special, I guess.
The Eleventh Doctor believes himself to be the last regeneration, because he is not the 11th doctor, but in fact the 13th (including 10s 'selfish' regeneration).
Because of the paradox created when Gallifrey was put into the pocket universe, he does not remember the fact that the 13th doctor was present there, hence he doesn't know that he survives.
Because of the paradox created when Gallifrey was put into the pocket universe, he does not remember the fact that the 13th doctor was present there, hence he doesn't know that he survives.
I guess this makes sense, except that
The Doctor met what he believes to be an ancient, 'retired' Doctor in the National Gallery, and he went to what was definitely his grave on Trenzalore.
Also of course
We know that the Doctor survives.
Moffat has got a lot of stuff to tie up with the Christmas Special, I guess.
The Nightmare Child and the Cruciform are random name drops that just add to background ambiguity, they're not important plot points for series arcs. Setting up reality-ending cracks in the universe, villains like the Silents, the Doctor's various deaths, etc. are all stories Moffat is trying to tell, not mysteries for the sake of mysteries. NOT answering them would be just be poor plotting.
and in any case, yeah, he doesn't immediately answer his own questions. Three years later, we still have no idea who or what blew up the TARDIS and why (was it the Silence? if so, how does destroying the universe factor into a plan of saving the universe from the Doctor?). We know the Silence is formed around preventing a prophecy of coming to pass, but we still don't know what the Doctor's name would do to cause "silence to fall" or what that even means. And so on.
My point was that Moffat sets up a lot of long-term mysteries, some of which have been resolved and others that are still pending - which I think, after 2-3 years of waiting, qualifies as not being "immediately" resolved.
It's not like I dislike the concept - I loved LOST, for god's sake! - I'm just a little wary at this point that Moffat actually is going to follow through and address, much less resolve, some of these longer-standing plot points, the biggest one for me being the TARDIS explosion.
Seraphis Cain
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Those Christmas spoilers kinda make it sound like
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we won't see Capaldi
Anyone thinks it's out of character for Tennant to be ok with the (50th spoiler)
Trying to remember if 10th Doctor actually kill anything. I remember noticing that despite 11's cheery attitude, he was noticeably less troubled by death.
Dalek accidentally destroying each other?
JonathanEx
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Yeah but see Power of Three! How would he keep amused?
Haha thought you wouldn't notice.. damn.
Including the War Doctor, Smith is the 12. To get to 12, starting from 1 you need 11 regenerations. 1 extra one for Tennant. 11+1=12.
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I'm sorry but those are completely different things. Lines of dialogue used to build up the time war and nothing more. What you're complaining about is what has been happening since the series was revived. Series long arcs like Bad Wolf, Torchwood and the disappearing planets/bees are always explained in the same series they were introduced in.
And I personally believe the amount of multi-season arcs are fine. We're still not finished with the freakin' silence yet.
If true I will be mad.
By keeping that Handles as his pet, clearly. Which does sound insane, so yeah I'm guessing he goes somewhat insane. Poor Doc. :/
APZonerunner
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Yeah, it was. The cinema screening had a pre-show bit with Strax & his clone batch showing what Sontarans do to people who use their phones and stuff in the cinema, plus a lovely bit with 10 & 11 'activating' the 3D. It's about 10 minutes extra stuff.
The Anchorman thing - he's done tons of them for tons of different films in a similar vein!
We will. Jenna's talked about
filming his first moments.
Hot Coldman
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Cool. I hope all that stuff makes it onto the Blu-Ray.
The whole silence stuff has been with us since episode one of season 5. Matt smith, from his first day has had to deal with the ambiguity with respect to the Silence, the cracks, Trenzalore, the exploded tardis, etc...
The way I see it there has been a season wide mystery. Each one was also ever so slightly building up to the next season's mystery.
Season 5 - The cracks
Season 6 - The astronaut
Season 7 - The impossible girl
Throughout Matt's tenure though, we also had an over-encompassing mystery regarding the Silence and the fate of the Eleventh. Season 5 and 6 were slowly and surely building up to it. Season 7 takes a detour in resolving Clara's mystery which in itself resolves itself by introducing more details into the Christmas special, as well as introducing the War Doctor, integral for the 50th.
The whole Silence Will Fall storyline (which I assume and hope will explain the exploding Tardis) was always meant to last for Matt's entire span. I like to believe that Moffat has planned the end to Eleventh story and thus was able to exploit an interesting aspect of time travel by dropping hints along the way where knowledge was spread around time and space thoughout his adventures. Even though many do not like River's origin or personality, I find that the execution of randomly spaced episodes, each in random order (or more or less opposite direction) was excellent.
The way I see it there has been a season wide mystery. Each one was also ever so slightly building up to the next season's mystery.
Season 5 - The cracks
Season 6 - The astronaut
Season 7 - The impossible girl
Throughout Matt's tenure though, we also had an over-encompassing mystery regarding the Silence and the fate of the Eleventh. Season 5 and 6 were slowly and surely building up to it. Season 7 takes a detour in resolving Clara's mystery which in itself resolves itself by introducing more details into the Christmas special, as well as introducing the War Doctor, integral for the 50th.
The whole Silence Will Fall storyline (which I assume and hope will explain the exploding Tardis) was always meant to last for Matt's entire span. I like to believe that Moffat has planned the end to Eleventh story and thus was able to exploit an interesting aspect of time travel by dropping hints along the way where knowledge was spread around time and space thoughout his adventures. Even though many do not like River's origin or personality, I find that the execution of randomly spaced episodes, each in random order (or more or less opposite direction) was excellent.
infiniteloop
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SkullHydra
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Can someone please create a Christmas Special OT? Trying to avoid all these spoilers is killing me. =P
Bobby Roberts
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Sorta surprised by the two details that seem to be tripping people up
1) Whether Capaldi announces himself (he doesn't - although that's been addressed in the thread)
2) Most of the Doctor Who podcasts I've checked out seem really confused as to what Tom Baker's appearance meant.
1) Whether Capaldi announces himself (he doesn't - although that's been addressed in the thread)
2) Most of the Doctor Who podcasts I've checked out seem really confused as to what Tom Baker's appearance meant.
:lolHere's your explanation:
Exterminieren
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Aren't OTs generally kept until a week or two before transmission?
Quick Mustard
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SkullHydra
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Every day can be Christmas if you believe! =3It's been the 50th Anniversary all year long.
paradox121
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It's been the 50th Anniversary all year long.
Can we have a 51st Anniversary thread as well? Cuz that's gonna be a looooong wait til Series 8 otherwise
I'm willing to bet that if Elizabeth Sladen were still with us, she would have been in that role. Sarah Jane Smith is probably the paramount companion of the entire series. Wish she could have been here for the 50th.
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