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[GameplayWhore]

I'm partial to Jemma Redgrave (the Brig's daughter's actress). After the special, I totally bought her character, and I think she's pretty subtle with a lot of her acting. Nothing I can particularly put my finger on, but in that scene where there were two of her, she hammed up the character differences a little, just enough for me to totally accept that she was a Lethbridge-Stewart, but her presentation was just this side of grounded in reality for me to take seriously.

So I'm thinking our new, old Doctor needs a good, solid, mature lady in his ship.



Aside: Not knowing the origin of her name, my girlfriend thought that Clara was likely the "better off" sister of Osgood. It was a nice enough conjecture until we read that "easter eggs in the special" web page.

 

[Vesmir]

Jenna Coleman is SUCH a better actress than Karen Gill an it's not even remotely A competition.

And I LIKE Amy.

I'd argue Colemans a better overall actress than Gillan, she's just not been given much in the way of decent material/character development.

She desperately needs a companion centric 'The Girl Who Waited' style story to show off her chops. It was kind of a blessing and a curse for her to come in at the 50th when pretty much every episode has been about the Doctor.

I don't mean to be a Kuwabara, but I don't see it at all. Perhaps she does need her own story. For some reason, I always seem to think she has the same facial expression for everything (best example is when the TARDIS is airlifted in the Day of the Doctor).

 

[APZonerunner]

Jenna's definitely the better actress, though Clara is thus far a criminally under-developed character. I hope she gets the development Jenna deserves for her. I don't think either of them have a spot on Piper or Tate ability-wise, though. Tate will forever be the one who stunned me most. Really didn't see that coming. What a shock The Fires of Pompeii was!

 

[Quick]

Jenna just needs the material, I think. Karen Gillan's had plenty of meaty episodes to work on for Amy. It's only a matter of time until Jenna gets good ones for Clara, I hope.

Series 5 and 6 have revolved around Amy, while 7 and The Day of the Doctor has been more Doctor episodes. We had the whole "Impossible Girl" storyline, but that was more of a supporting one to lead up to The Name of the Doctor.

 

[odiin]

I'm partial to Jemma Redgrave (the Brig's daughter's actress). After the special, I totally bought her character, and I think she's pretty subtle with a lot of her acting. Nothing I can particularly put my finger on, but in that scene where there were two of her, she hammed up the character differences a little, just enough for me to totally accept that she was a Lethbridge-Stewart, but her presentation was just this side of grounded in reality for me to take seriously.

So I'm thinking our new, old Doctor needs a good, solid, mature lady in his ship.



Aside: Not knowing the origin of her name, my girlfriend thought that Clara was likely the "better off" sister of Osgood. It was a nice enough conjecture until we read that "easter eggs in the special" web page.

Yeah she was great. I look forward to seeing a lot more from her in the future. None of the other UNIT characters they've shoved down our throats really stuck so I'm glad she did so well. Really it would have been a shame if she didn't, given who her character is related to.

 

[Ripclawe]

Matt and David going gaga over John Hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLiyAykkOO0&list=PLvMGq_h9khwWxtFUL3BxWz5NzsM8jTsSA

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Matt and David going gaga over John Hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLiyAykkOO0&list=PLvMGq_h9khwWxtFUL3BxWz5NzsM8jTsSA

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

 

[Blader]

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

yep, that was definitely aimed at Eccleston. :lol

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

That's what I thought when I heard. Indirect confirmation that The War Doctor was originally going to be the 9th doctor?

 

[APZonerunner]

Eccleston had a bit of a rep. Barrowman said that while he and Piper would joke around, Eccleston would moodily sulk on his own and the like. Seems he's not too social on set!

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

Jenna Coleman is SUCH a better actress than Karen Gill an it's not even remotely A competition.

And I LIKE Amy.

I probably agree with you, unfortunately, Clara has been SEVERELY under-utilized as a companion, which is unfortunate because of Jenna's talent.

 

[Akahige]

finally watched, very good episode

 

[PaulloDEC]

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

David being the super-fan that he is, I wouldn't be surprised if he was secretly just a little bit pissed off at Chris for turning his nose up at the 50th Anniversary.

Eccleston had a bit of a rep. Barrowman said that while he and Piper would joke around, Eccleston would moodily sulk on his own and the like. Seems he's not too social on set!

The thing I've always said about Eccleston is that while he was fantastic for the role, the role was terrible for him. As a person, he wasn't suited to being "The Doctor", and everything the name entails.

 

[Trike]

I probably agree with you, unfortunately, Clara has been SEVERELY under-utilized as a companion, which is unfortunate because of Jenna's talent.

To be far, Clara had a time constraint. They had to finish her story in half a series or else have that hanging over the 50th and Christmas specials, which is really about the Doctors. I wish Karen Gillian had of stuck around for the 50th or left earlier. It would have had a lot more impact in The Day of the Doctor.

 

[DrForester]

To be far, Clara had a time constraint. They had to finish her story in half a series or else have that hanging over the 50th and Christmas specials, which is really about the Doctors. I wish Karen Gillian had of stuck around for the 50th or left earlier. It would have had a lot more impact in The Day of the Doctor.

I give them credit for the restraint in not brining back all the recent companions. Even Rose was a brilliant twist.

 

[The Real Abed]

I have a question I don't know if it was asked. Out of curiosity, at what point in Ten's lifespan does the 50th take place?

After Rose? After Martha? After Donna during his wandering around phase? Is it ever hinted at?

 

[Fiktion]

I have a question I don't know if it was asked. Out of curiosity, at what point in Ten's lifespan does the 50th take place?

After Rose? After Martha? After Donna during his wandering around phase? Is it ever hinted at?

That one. He mentions marrying Queen Elizabeth in The End of Time and he has no companion so it should be around there.

 

[Burai]

I have a question I don't know if it was asked. Out of curiosity, at what point in Ten's lifespan does the 50th take place?

After Rose? After Martha? After Donna during his wandering around phase? Is it ever hinted at?

I presume it's during his post-Adelaide, pre-Master race phase. He admits to the Ood that he'd been with Elizabeth I.

 

[The Real Abed]

That one. He mentions marrying Queen Elizabeth in The End of Time and he has no companion so it should be around there.

I presume it's during his post-Adelaide, pre-Master race phase. He admits to the Ood that he'd been with Elizabeth I.

I had a feeling the Elizabeth thing was mentioned at some point in his run. I just couldn't remember where. It sounded familiar when it was in the episode. Thanks! Interesting too. Would have been neat if it happened before Martha and the whole "Timey Wimey" thing actually didn't sound familiar to Ten and it ended up that Ten learned the term from Eleven who learned it from Ten. You know... wibbly wobbly timey wimey like.

 

[Balphon]

I had a feeling the Elizabeth thing was mentioned at some point in his run. I just couldn't remember where. It sounded familiar when it was in the episode. Thanks! Interesting too. Would have been neat if it happened before Martha and the whole "Timey Wimey" thing actually didn't sound familiar to Ten and it ended up that Ten learned the term from Eleven who learned it from Ten. You know... wibbly wobbly timey wimey like.

It'd have to be after Shakespeare Code (where he's with Martha) since there Ten has no idea why Elizabeth I is upset with him.

 

[Ventilaator]

On the contrary I wish Moffat had left the angels confined to Blink. They have never been as compelling since.

Totally. I don't understand why he decided to ruin the angels instead of using Vashta Nerada again, which was a way more easily reusable enemy.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Same reason there was a sequel to ALIEN. A monster that compelling, that scary, and that well-liked? You bring 'em back. Even if that means you turn them into something not as scary.

 

[Toxi]

I liked the 50th Anniversary a lot when I watched it today. I didn't expect

Spoiler

the Tom Baker appearance

at the end and it was a pleasant surprise. The Zygons looked great with their suits and I liked how their plan and UNIT's response tied into the Doctor's decision in the Time War. The Time War itself was rather underwhelming, but I guess that's what happens when you finally show something that was only talked about before. Tennant and Smith were really fun to watch play off of each other, while John Hurt sold me as another version of the Doctor. The whole Gallifrey thing seems to conflict with The End of Time, but I didn't care much for the End of Time anyways.

So yeah, good episode. I was a bit confused because I thought we'd see Eleven regenerate in this one, but I guess that's not until episode 800. I hope he gets a good death.

 

[munchie64]

I thought the second Angel story was pretty good. Not necessarily as scary, but still a great follow up.

The whole Gallifrey thing seems to conflict with The End of Time, but I didn't care much for the End of Time anyways.

I thought everything fit fine. What specifically were you thinking of?

 

[Toxi]

I thought everything fit fine. What specifically were you thinking of?

Spoiler

How did Gallifrey during the Time War get pulled next to Earth if it was frozen in time and sealed away in that painting? Or was it pulled next to Earth already before the Daleks were raining lasers upon that city? I guess that would make more sense. Come to think of it, there wasn't really a plot hole, I just thought I saw one.

 

[Pikawil]

Spoiler

How did Gallifrey during the Time War get pulled next to Earth if it was frozen in time and sealed away in that painting?

Spoiler

The villainous Time Lords in The End of Time formed the High Council. In the first War Council scene in The Day of the Doctor, the General says something along the line of the High Council's plans having already failed, implying that the Time War timeline of End of Time and Day of the Doctor relative to the Tenth Doctor's are asynchronous.

 

[munchie64]

Spoiler

How did Gallifrey during the Time War get pulled next to Earth if it was frozen in time and sealed away in that painting? Or was it pulled next to Earth already before the Daleks were raining lasers upon that city? I guess that would make more sense. Come to think of it, there wasn't really a plot hole, I just thought I saw one.

My theory is that it's happening at around the same time. One of the military guys says something about the High Council "Having their own plans".
EDIT: What Pikawil said.

 

[RedShift]

I'd guess the whole end of time bit happened between the Doctor stealing the Moment at the beginning of the special and him returning to save Gallifrey at the end.

It had to happen after the bit at the beginning anyway because the High Council mentioned the Doctor having the Moment.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Yeah, I take the final communication with the war council as being after the failure of the end of time plan, and (obviously) before rassilon had a chance to use the ultimate sanction

 

[Fiktion]

Same reason there was a sequel to ALIEN. A monster that compelling, that scary, and that well-liked? You bring 'em back. Even if that means you turn them into something not as scary.

Aliens was scarier than Alien though.

 

[Solo]

Jenna Coleman is SUCH a better actress than Karen Gill an it's not even remotely A competition.

Agreed.

 

[infiniteloop]

Steven Moffat has said he thinks a Paul McGann spin-off is unlikely, but the success of The Night of the Doctor will lead to more minisodes in future.

Speaking to Flicks and the City, Moffat said: “You know what’s really important with The Night of the Doctor? It’s not that it was Paul McGann – brilliant as he was – it’s that you had a bloody surprise! You know back in the day we used to do those! …And i’d like to do that again.

“I think this will usher in not so much a Paul McGann mini-series but usher in more minisodes, and I think we should take them more seriously than we used to. Night was the first one we’ve actually said, ‘Let’s make a high production value belter and let’s give them a surprise!’”

He teased: “You can count on us doing something like that again, but we won’t tell you when! I’ve actually told the BBC, ‘if we do it again we’re doing it in Cardiff and we’re not even telling you what we’re doing and we’ll give you it on the day…’”

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-mcgann-spin-off-future-minisodes-56307.htm

Eccleston mini-episode confirmed.

Spoiler

BELIEVE

 

[StalkerUKCG]

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-mcgann-spin-off-future-minisodes-56307.htm

Eccleston mini-episode confirmed.

Spoiler

BELIEVE

What I'm hearing goes against this. We will see.

 

[gabbo]

Eccleston mini-episode confirmed.

Spoiler

BELIEVE

Please dear [Time] Lord, let this happen!

 

[Jedi2016]

If you go back to "The End of Time" (I watched it a couple days ago), the High Council actually mentions specifically that the Doctor is still in possession of the Moment and could use it at any time. It was mentioned a full three years before we would find out what they were talking about. It was almost a throwaway line, and it's no wonder that most people don't remember them saying it. Everyone probably assumes that they're talking about the Tenth Doctor and whatever he was doing, but in reality, they were talking about the War Doctor. That's why they tried their little trick with leaving the time-lock, was to avoid the "burning" that the oracle saw when the Doctor used it. That plan failed.

Note that the time-lock mentioned in "The End of Time" is an intentional war measure done by the Time Lords themselves... that is NOT what was done at the end of "Day of the Doctor". Time still passes inside the time-lock, it's not passing where they are now. They're quite literally frozen.

So there's no conflict between the two episodes at all. In fact, they actually compliment each other quite nicely.

But it still leaves a lot of unfinished business. In "The End of Time", the Doctor mentions that the Time Lords had become more or less evil monsters during the war, and had to be stopped. That was why he was so intent to send them back into the time-lock, even though he knew it would result in their complete annihilation. If they ever find Gallifrey again, they're still going to have to deal with that, because the Time Lords won't have changed at all, and Rassilon will probably still be in charge of the High Council.

 

[Quick Mustard]

Note that the time-lock mentioned in "The End of Time" is an intentional war measure done by the Time Lords themselves... that is NOT what was done at the end of "Day of the Doctor". Time still passes inside the time-lock, it's not passing where they are now. They're quite literally frozen.

Not nessasarily.

In The Wedding of River Song, time was frozen at 5:02pm but everyone still went on with their daily lives.

So hopefully thats whats happened here.

 

[Fiktion]

What I'm hearing goes against this. We will see.

What are you hearing?

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Everyone probably assumes that they're talking about the Tenth Doctor and whatever he was doing, but in reality, they were talking about the War Doctor.

Not really, everyone back when EoT came out assumed it was either eight or nine.

 

[APZonerunner]

Don't think an Eccleston minisode will happen due to his hatred of the show's adult fan base (he likes the kids, though), but there is one man they could pull a McGann with for continuity purposes when they bring his character back -- John Simm!

I'd actually put money on this.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

What are you hearing?

I posted it pages back. Someone on GB posted info about meetings and my source backed that up.

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

What I'm hearing goes against this. We will see.

Funny that he's talking about surprises as well.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"oh, that thing you're expecting? Don't expect it! Trust me, you shouldn't expect it! We're not going to do that at ALL."

Don't get thrown into the briar patch!

 

[RedShift]

So McGann mini series confirmed?

Doubtful they'd be able to do it but I'd love a couple of episodes showing the War Doctor actually fighting the TIme War.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Not really, everyone back when EoT came out assumed it was either eight or nine.

Agreed. The consensus I remember hearing was that (A) "The Moment" (like the "Nightmare Child") was something used as a weapon in the Time War, and (B) the guy before Eccleston (we assumed McGann at the time) had it.

Don't think an Eccleston minisode will happen due to his hatred of the show's adult fan base (he likes the kids, though), but there is one man they could pull a McGann with for continuity purposes when they bring his character back -- John Simm!

I'd actually put money on this.

The events of the last time we saw Simm would certainly allow to have a substantial transformation in the Master's disposition (eg, less "Heroes", more either brooding bad-ass or maniacal '70s throwback, or maybe not unlike Hiddleston's Loki, who's sort of in the middle between those two extremes but has elements of both) without needing to change his face.


edit: Also, I totally will throw money at a McGann's mini web series with decent production values. He's proven to be magnificent whether the source material is finely-woven gold or coarsely-woven fecal matter, so it'd be pretty interesting to see how he does with "just-a-sort-of-clothy good".

 

[JonathanEx]

Sort of wish they were already well in development. A miniseries, or more likely an online story made up of minisodes, would be a nice thing to tide us over until the new series next autumn. They want more iPlayer exclusive bits and bobs (as well as the desire for spinoffs / Worldwide wanting money etc) so not too insane.

 

[TrueBlue]

I would love to see him to go ape-shit at the Angels.

Yes! Give us an angry Eleven moment in his last episode. The angels totally deserve that.

 

[paradox121]

Sort of wish they were already well in development. A miniseries, or more likely an online story made up of minisodes, would be a nice thing to tide us over until the new series next autumn. They want more iPlayer exclusive bits and bobs (as well as the desire for spinoffs / Worldwide wanting money etc) so not too insane.

I actually really love this idea. Imagine a choose-your-own-adventure style series of episodes that diverge at different points. Or maybe even a Memento-esque series that plays in reverse, starting with 12 and Clara about to get killed and then slowly working backwards. I'm surprised this hasn't already happened actually, for as much as Moffat talks about using time in the show.

 

[gabbo]

I actually really love this idea. Imagine a choose-your-own-adventure style series of episodes that diverge at different points. Or maybe even a Memento-esque series that plays in reverse, starting with 12 and Clara about to get killed and then slowly working backwards. I'm surprised this hasn't already happened actually, for as much as Moffat talks about using time in the show.

Would it be possible to have a web series/miniseries that each episode feature different (4-10) Doctors?

 

[JonnyBrad]

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

The only thing you're wrong about there is calling it subtle heh.

 

[The Real Abed]

Yes! Give us an angry Eleven moment in his last episode. The angels totally deserve that.

I can picture this. I want him to go batshit crazy all over the big enemies before regenerating in a huff. Shame they wouldn't have him regenerate halfway through the episode so Capaldi can take over the second half and continue his anger.

I can't wait to see what kind of Doctor Capaldi is though. Shame it won't be until sometime into next year.