• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

Status
Not open for further replies.

Jedi2016

Member
Not nessasarily.

In The Wedding of River Song, time was frozen at 5:02pm but everyone still went on with their daily lives.

So hopefully thats whats happened here.
That's a time-lock. That's what was happening during the war, not what's happening now. You don't really think those Zygons sat in those paintings for hundreds of years, consciously aware of the passage of time, did you? For them it was an instant, because time wasn't passing inside the painting.

I blame the writers for this, for coming up with a solution that's almost identical to what was happening during the war already. "The war's frozen in a moment in time... so let's end the war by freezing it in a moment in time!!!"
 
That's a time-lock. That's what was happening during the war, not what's happening now. You don't really think those Zygons sat in those paintings for hundreds of years, consciously aware of the passage of time, did you? For them it was an instant, because time wasn't passing inside the painting.

I blame the writers for this, for coming up with a solution that's almost identical to what was happening during the war already. "The war's frozen in a moment in time... so let's end the war by freezing it in a moment in time!!!"

Ok, fair enough, but, and this is for anyone that can answer...

How did the Zygons know when to come out?

If its locked, they wouldnt be able to observe the current state of humanity and know when to take over?
 
A minisode with the master running away from the time war and becoming Professor Yana could be cool.

I would love for the show to call a moratorium on Time War plots, events and mentions now that we've finally uncovered the truth of what the Doctor did.

No more guilt, no more repercussions. I almost feel like bringing back the Zygons and saying they lost their home in the War was like one last outing for that plot device.
 
Man, I figured out why Billie Piper looked so crazy hot in this episode.

She's got that disheveled blonde hippie thing going on that Lily Rabe does in American Horror Story Coven

Day-of-the-Doctor-8.png


american-horror-story.jpg


Prolly the hair.

Was it just me, or was Tennant taking some not so subtle digs at Eccleston there?

Most definitely.
 
Man, I figured out why Billie Piper looked so crazy hot in this episode.

She's got that disheveled blonde hippie thing going on that Lily Rabe does in American Horror Story Coven

Billie Pipers always been hot. Except for her weird thinness in S4. And clothing in S1. But still, attractive lady. Though to be fair all women look fantastic in the Moffat era (pervy somewhat sexist image collection incoming).

t7luUCs.jpg


O8SjiZT.jpg


LHiUoTN.jpg
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Billie Pipers always been hot. Except for her weird thinness in S4. And clothing in S1. But still, attractive lady. Though to be fair all women look fantastic in the Moffat era (pervy somewhat sexist image collection incoming).

t7luUCs.jpg

In my opinion Jenna has easily the hottest companion of DW, Billy was alright as they go, and Karen I dunno, I just don't think she's my type.
 
Final 7 day viewing figures for Day of the Doctor should be out Sunday morning GMT, likely to be around 12.6 million.

1. Voyage of the Damned - Tue 25 Dec 2007 - 13.31 million
2. The Next Doctor - Thu 25 Dec 2008 - 13.10 million
3. The Day of the Doctor - Sat 23 Nov 2013 - 12.6(?) million

4. The End of Time: Part Two - Fri 1 Jan 2010 - 12.27 million
5. A Christmas Carol - Sat 25 Dec 2010 12.11 million
6. The End of Time: Part One - Fri 25 Dec 2009 - 12.04 million
7. Rose - Sat 26 Mar 2005 - 10.81 million
8. The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe - Sun 25 Dec 2011 - 10.77 million
9. Journey's End - Sat 5 Jul 2008 - 10.57 million
10. The Waters of Mars - Sun 15 Nov 2009 - 10.32 million

Voyage of the Damned is near unbeatable for 21st Century Who.
 
How are the Big Finish Eighth Doctor stories? They're canon, right -- well as canon as anything in Dr. Who can be?

Oh, Jenna among the new companions for me!
 

ramyeon

Member
How are the Big Finish Eighth Doctor stories? They're canon, right -- well as canon as anything in Dr. Who can be?

Oh, Jenna among the new companions for me!
I've been listening to the New Eighth Doctor Adventures for the past few days and just finished Series 1, I really love them. Never been a fan of audio books or dramas before as I have a hard time staying focused on them but haven't been able to wait to start the next episode of these.

As far as how cannon they are - that was confirmed in the Night of the Doctor minisode where the Eighth Doctor mentions the names of companions from the audio dramas.

Check out the Audio Drama OT it's what got me interested.
 
Technically the only thing that's canon is that the Eighth Doctor travelled with companions with the names mentioned in "Night of the Doctor". :p
 

ramyeon

Member
Technically the only thing that's canon is that the Eighth Doctor travelled with companions with the names mentioned in "Night of the Doctor". :p
Can't understand why anyone would want to argue against these being cannon anyway. They don't interfere with the already existing cannon and just add to it in my opinion, so good to have the Eighth Doctor properly fleshed out.

And "technically" yeah, you're right. But let's face it they wouldn't have even mentioned those companions if they wanted to exclude the audio dramas from the cannon ;)
 
I've been listening to the New Eighth Doctor Adventures for the past few days and just finished Series 1, I really love them. Never been a fan of audio books or dramas before as I have a hard time staying focused on them but haven't been able to wait to start the next episode of these.

As far as how cannon they are - that was confirmed in the Night of the Doctor minisode where the Eighth Doctor mentions the names of companions from the audio dramas.

Check out the Audio Drama OT it's what got me interested.

Awesome, thanks for the recommendation and the pointer to the OT!
 
Can't understand why anyone would want to argue against these being cannon anyway. They don't interfere with the already existing cannon and just add to it in my opinion, so good to have the Eighth Doctor properly fleshed out.

And "technically" yeah, you're right. But let's face it they wouldn't have even mentioned those companions if they wanted to exclude the audio dramas from the cannon ;)

Yeah, I was just being pedantic for pedantry's sake. Those dramas are the Eighth Doctor.
 
Can't understand why anyone would want to argue against these being cannon anyway. They don't interfere with the already existing cannon and just add to it in my opinion, so good to have the Eighth Doctor properly fleshed out.

And "technically" yeah, you're right. But let's face it they wouldn't have even mentioned those companions if they wanted to exclude the audio dramas from the cannon ;)

Yeah, very nice that they are fleshing out his doctor -- always seemed a shame that he only got that one TV special. Also a shame that they didn't kick off the new series with him (though of course Eccleston was great, so no worries).
 
If you go back to "The End of Time" (I watched it a couple days ago), the High Council actually mentions specifically that the Doctor is still in possession of the Moment and could use it at any time. It was mentioned a full three years before we would find out what they were talking about. It was almost a throwaway line, and it's no wonder that most people don't remember them saying it. Everyone probably assumes that they're talking about the Tenth Doctor and whatever he was doing, but in reality, they were talking about the War Doctor. That's why they tried their little trick with leaving the time-lock, was to avoid the "burning" that the oracle saw when the Doctor used it. That plan failed.

Note that the time-lock mentioned in "The End of Time" is an intentional war measure done by the Time Lords themselves... that is NOT what was done at the end of "Day of the Doctor". Time still passes inside the time-lock, it's not passing where they are now. They're quite literally frozen.

So there's no conflict between the two episodes at all. In fact, they actually compliment each other quite nicely.

But it still leaves a lot of unfinished business. In "The End of Time", the Doctor mentions that the Time Lords had become more or less evil monsters during the war, and had to be stopped. That was why he was so intent to send them back into the time-lock, even though he knew it would result in their complete annihilation. If they ever find Gallifrey again, they're still going to have to deal with that, because the Time Lords won't have changed at all, and Rassilon will probably still be in charge of the High Council.

THANK YOU for this post. This finally cleared up a ton of the questions I had. I was pretty confused by the whole Time Lock and Moment thing.

Anyway, kind of late to this thread, but I just want to say that I loved the 50th. I wasn't a big fan of most of Series 6 and 7, but the 50th was really awesome. I loved the closure it gives to Matt Smith and David Tennant's Doctors. Being able to finally see the Doctor without the guilt he's been carrying for the last 7 series is going to be amazing. Can't wait for Capaldi.
 
A nice change of pace from the hipless white British girls that typify the role.

Karen Gillan would be a legendary beauty if only the poor girl had some hips.

In fairness, they haven't all been model sort of builds in New Who!. Karen and Jenna both are, but Billie had quite an arse on her even then (in the good way) - they even make a joke about it in The Satan Pit! I think that's one of the nicest things about the RTD era (and maybe one of the advantages of two gay men and a woman having the final say on casting?) - Billie and Catherine are both just incredibly normal, you'd walk past these women on the street people in their look & build. Billie at the time was a really inspired choice, I think, as she's pretty enough to give the dads something to look at while their kids watch but also normal enough that she's completely relateable.

Freema, Karen & Jenna are all 'model fit', as a friend of mine would say. Not that I'm arguing. (Though I personally don't really understand the fuss about Karen, really. Not my type.)
 
Final 7 day viewing figures for Day of the Doctor should be out Sunday morning GMT, likely to be around 12.6 million.

2. The Next Doctor - Thu 25 Dec 2008 - 13.10 million

I was just about to ask why the fuck this special got so many viewers, but then I remembered when this came out. That special was the one that had so much hype after Tennant announced he was leaving, right? The speculation must've been crazy, did anyone think Morrissey was gonna be Eleven?
 

ramyeon

Member
Trying to stop myself from pulling the trigger on the series 1-7 bluray set that came out last month. Would be great to have all the series on disc since I don't own any physical copies and a rewatch would be great. But that price tag...

Heard some issues with slowdown on the series 1-4 upscale in the UK edition of the box set... has anyone got some hands on impressions on it? The reviews on Amazon.co.uk are pretty divided, some saying they're fantastic and others saying they're slowed down mess.
 

Zen

Banned
Jenna and Karen were incredibly smashing, but Freema doesn't get the respect that she's due.

Not sure why people disliked her,I felt like she brought a lot more to the table than basically every other companion in New Who, being that she was a trained Nurse. She also took a boat load of initiative beyond just standing there and mocking certain death 'because the Doctor is coming for you!!!' like Rose often did.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Not sure why people disliked her,I felt like she brought a lot more to the table than basically every other companion in New Who, being that she was a trained Nurse. She also took a boat load of initiative beyond just standing there and mocking certain death 'because the Doctor is coming for you!!!' like Rose often did.

I think this is the opposite of the truth, personally. We were often TOLD how smart Martha was, but really she was the biggest screamer of all the new who companions and was largely relegated to the third wheel of a love triangle where her competition wasn't even in the show anymore. She had a huge amount of potential that was almost entirely squandered. She's a lot like Clara (so far) in this regard. I mean hell, when we came back to her on the Mopey Mystery Tour during Ten's regeneration the most they could even think to do with her was have her marry the black dude she practically never even met before.

When I rewatched the first few seasons of NewWho I was specifically watching for the independence of the companions and Rose actually came out quite a bit ahead imo. Donna obviously kicked both their asses.
 
I think this is the opposite of the truth, personally. We were often TOLD how smart Martha was, but really she was the biggest screamer of all the new who companions and was largely relegated to the third wheel of a love triangle where her competition wasn't even in the show anymore. She had a huge amount of potential that was almost entirely squandered. She's a lot like Clara (so far) in this regard. I mean hell, when we came back to her on the Mopey Mystery Tour during Ten's regeneration the most they could even think to do with her was have her marry the black dude she practically never even met before.

When I rewatched the first few seasons of NewWho I was specifically watching for the independence of the companions and Rose actually came out quite a bit ahead imo. Donna obviously kicked both their asses.

I disagree with this assessment. Martha had the most independence right from the start. She had initiative and often offered solutions or options to the Doctor rather than the standard of "What are we gonna do Doctor!?" that most NewWho companions resorted to. Donna was better in this regard, yes, but that's because designed her specifically to be the Mary Sue of her run.
 

lexi

Banned
I think this is the opposite of the truth, personally. We were often TOLD how smart Martha was, but really she was the biggest screamer of all the new who companions and was largely relegated to the third wheel of a love triangle where her competition wasn't even in the show anymore. She had a huge amount of potential that was almost entirely squandered. She's a lot like Clara (so far) in this regard. I mean hell, when we came back to her on the Mopey Mystery Tour during Ten's regeneration the most they could even think to do with her was have her marry the black dude she practically never even met before.

When I rewatched the first few seasons of NewWho I was specifically watching for the independence of the companions and Rose actually came out quite a bit ahead imo. Donna obviously kicked both their asses.

Donna was awesome. I was devastated at the way she exited the show.
 
How the hell is Donna Fucking Noble a "Mary Sue" in any way?

Unless I misunderstood what you were tryin to say.

She was always written in her run to gain the miraculous half-time lord power to save the day at the last minute. Mary Sue is probably the wrong term, granted, since she's not exceptional in every way the entire run but my point is she's the best companion in every way that I can think of (be it her fortitude, her witty comebacks with the Doctor, etc..). Every other companion has more of a development arc, ending up in a different place at the end of their run. Donna is pretty much a kick ass type of personality the whole way through.
 

ramyeon

Member
She was always written in her run to gain the miraculous half-time lord power to save the day at the last minute. Mary Sue is probably the wrong term, granted, since she's not exceptional in every way the entire run but my point is she's the best companion in every way that I can think of (be it her fortitude, her witty comebacks with the Doctor, etc..). Every other companion has more of a development arc, ending up in a different place at the end of their run. Donna is pretty much a kick ass type of personality the whole way through.
I think your idea of a Mary Sue and my idea of a Mary Sue are two very different things.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Donna is the victim of the writers writing themselves into a corner and needing to get out of it damaging the titular character (in terms of plot/consistency) in any way.

She deserved better, so much better.

Journey's-end-donna-memory-wiped.jpg


447px-Manlytears3.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom