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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Yeah, Malcom Tucker's relationship with his secretary Samantha was actually really sweet because his wrath was always directed everywhere but her.
 
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paradox121 said:
The big difference is where the anger is directed- I think a lot of people find the 1st and 6th Doctor's anger horrible because a lot of the time it's directed at their companions, which is a no no. As is always stated the companion is the window for the viewer, so having the Doctor be an asshole to them feels somehow personal.

Have Capaldi come into a room, shout down all the idiots, beat up the bad guy and then give Clara a hug and you're pretty much fine.
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I don't think Doctorwhoarchive.com holds a lot of weight, they tend to just post rumors and gossip. they put up a post about missing episodes, take with a quarry of salt:

MISSING EPISODES: THE RUMOURS FOR DECEMBER


The Marco Polo rumour is going as strong as ever and the latest date for release being suggested is at Missing Believed Wiped on December 21 alongside The Massacre, yet favour seems to be swinging toward a single announcement only at the moment.

The forthcoming releases will be Marco Polo and The Massacre followed by The Daleks Masterplan, The Celestial Toymaker, Power of the Daleks, The Macra Terror, Evil of the Daleks and The Abominable Snowmen, not necessarily in the order according to Outpost Skao.
Web of Fear 3 really wasn’t found, it won’t be in the DVD.

There are two varying pieces of information on a potential overall announcement, some feeling everything will be announced at MBW while others believe Easter. Given that other major announcements are to be made at MBW, we favour the latter, Marco Polo still heavily tipped to be announced some time before Christmas however.

Chatter surrounding The Dalek’s Masterplan has increased somewhat over the past week or so with a claim that a former TV engineer made a bootleg copy of Masterplan, it has been recovered in its entirety. There are however alternative rumors…

One we’re taking with a pinch of salt for now, the old rumour of William Hartnell being given The Feast of Steven was true and it’s been recovered from his estate. This rumour is as old as the hills but has suddenly made a resurgence, maybe it was true all along? Or maybe there was never anything in it. It did seem to have been debunked a long time ago. There is also rumour that Feast of Steven has been recovered from a “private collector” which maybe based on the same rumour or even the TV engineer one above. The fan-recorded tapes rumour also persists.

The recovery of eleven and twelve has reared it’s head again alongside the claims the prints are stuck together. This one persists.

Both Outpost Skaro and a source of our own has suggested The Power of the Daleks has audio problems.
As we’ve reported previously Dad’s Army Series 2, Adam Adamant, colour Steptoe and more are amongst the finds. Expect information and rumours in this aspect to increase as MBW approaches.

Ian Levine is insistent Phil Morris has handed nothing else back. This could indeed be the case if Marco Polo has come from another source as The Mirror has suggested, meaning that all are correct.

A claim has been made that Steven Moffat and Cardiff are being obstructive in the efforts to receive more missing episodes from Phil Morris, possibly a result of a personality clash, financial implications, the sharing of promotion and marketing or simple misunderstanding. More on those claims tomorrow.

As ever all rumours come from a variety of sources and may be true, true in part or completely false, they should not be repeated as fact nor taken as anything other than the rumours they are until there is confirmation from official sources.
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http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/05/missing-episodes-the-rumours-for-december/


Masterplan is at the top of my wish list, would love to see that.
 
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Fiktion said:
Made this myself.

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This totally didn't spoil anything for me. I totally knew already without watching the trailer that it's based off of that
the Doctor has a cane now. Canes are cool.


Blader said:
That's my concern :p
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It's even more concerning since we're getting new mysteries rushed into place. There are only so many questions that can be resolved in a single episode. Will we ever know who caused the TARDIS to explode, and how? Maybe, but it'll be harder to satisfactorily explain now that additional airtime has to be devoted to bring up the never before actually addressed on screen thing about Matt now being
the final regeneration
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I think Moffat's real problem is that he gets a lot of really interesting ideas that he feels he has to rush into play as quickly as possible, and this limits how effectively conclusions to each of those ideas can be fleshed out.

That and the thing about being unable to write characters.


munchie64 said:
I was watching the first ever episodes for the first time today (picked up the "Beginnings" boxset for the 50th), and I must say that I'd like a bit of the anger the 1st shows in Capaldi. Not quite as dickish and bordering on horrible, but a bit of pissed of old man would be nice.
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From that brief brow shot, my impression is that "passionately driven" will be a good way to describe his attitude. His entire mission in life has changed now from "be sad after murdering billions of children" to "find and save billions no matter the cost!".
 
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Blader said:
Why would
the Silents be helping the Doctor? Don't they want him dead too?
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When was that ever assumed?

I always got the impression the Silence were there to not kill the Doctor, but to ensure he never reaches the stage where the question that can never be answered will be asked, as explained by Dorian (I think) in TWoRS.
 
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It's going to be really hard to watch Matt leave.

I watched some of Tennant, but I didn't become a weekly fan until Matt. Amy was my first companion and I remember how heartbroken I was for days after their episode. This is going to be even worse.

Especially after seeing him again a few weeks ago for the first time in months and knowing we just have one more visit with him. Wish his desire to do a series with Tennant could have happened.
 
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CyanideStrike said:
When was that ever assumed?

I always got the impression the Silence were there to not kill the Doctor, but to ensure he never reaches the stage where the question that can never be answered will be asked, as explained by Dorian (I think) in TWoRS.
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When they put together a very elaborate plan of killing him in the S6 opener?
 
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Hasn't the whole question thing already happen, and was fixed by Clara. Maybe now that's over the Silence don't want to kill him? I don't know, I stopped trying to find sense in all this.

GameplayWhore said:
From that brief brow shot, my impression is that "passionately driven" will be a good way to describe his attitude. His entire mission in life has changed now from "be sad after murdering billions of children" to "find and save billions no matter the cost!".
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This would also be awesome.
 
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munchie64 said:
Hasn't the whole question thing already happen, and was fixed by Clara. Maybe now that's over the Silence don't want to kill him? I don't know, I stopped trying to find sense in all this.
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Not according to the prophecy - "when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer".

That never happened. The doctor was being forced to answer when his friends were threatened when river stepped in. People say that answers the prophecy because she was already dead - but that makes no sense. Firstly, she answered truthfully, so she didn't circumvent the prophecy anyway, and secondly the "no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer" was never broached - bring the master or any one of the doctors enemies there, and they would quite happily fail to answer and let the doctor's friends die.

So either moffat was just incredibly sloppy with the conclusion, or the prophecy has not yet come to pass.

Also, I would like if he redeemed the whispermen as who villians. They were a wonderful creation that reminded me of the Gentlemen from buffy, but I think they deserve something better then being goons for the GI. It would be great if Moffat created THREE of who's best alien races!
 
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munchie64 said:
Hasn't the whole question thing already happen, and was fixed by Clara. Maybe now that's over the Silence don't want to kill him? I don't know, I stopped trying to find sense in all this.
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Maybe they've all forgot he exists after the Doctor did that thing where everybody forgot about him. He'll spend the first fifty-five minutes of the episode making speeches to convince them that he's the Real Deal, and the last five minutes will resolve all mysteries brought up over the last five years.

They'll have to cut the regeneration scene for it to work, but nobody cares about that part much anyway.


Sir_Crocodile said:
So either moffat was just incredibly sloppy with the conclusion, or the prophecy has not yet come to pass.
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More seriously, I really, really like this idea. It's a good kind of swerve in my book.
 
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I hope the Doctor uses his bare hands to subdue opponents like in the past, which I believe there's a video compilation of.
 
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Mudcrab said:
I dream of having Capaldi travel with a new Romana when the timelords inevitably comeback and Clara departs. Non-Terran companions are cool.
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Now that you mention it, I just realized that there hasn't been a non-human companion in the new series yet at all. Of course, the past "alien" companions of the old series had been human in appearance, but I'm sure that comes down to budgetary and practical reasons as opposed to creative ones.

It would be cool for for them to finally introduce a non-human/Earthling companion to the series, if only to mix things up a bit. I'm not expecting to to be completely alien in appearance for reasons I listed above, but having a companion that's not completely naive to there being other planets/time travel would be nice for a change.
 
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Didn't the Doctor try to commit mass genocide on them earlier? Guess it wasm't too much of a biggy.
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I still find it weird people read this that way. The Silence were an invading force, secretly manipulating an entire species to their own ends. What the Doctor did was give humans the chance and ability to fight back against that invasion, it doesn't really seem all that likely the humans of the 1960s had the capability to actually kill all the silents.

What he did was force a wedge between them.
 
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infiniteloop said:
I don't think Doctorwhoarchive.com holds a lot of weight, they tend to just post rumors and gossip. they put up a post about missing episodes, take with a quarry of salt:



http://doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/05/missing-episodes-the-rumours-for-december/


Masterplan is at the top of my wish list, would love to see that.
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As a big historical fan, Marco Polo and the Massacre are my big ones. Of course these rumours basically read as "you know all those episodes everyone wants? Well they're all here!" which is a bit suss to me.
 
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Fiktion

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Blader said:
Why would
the Silents be helping the Doctor? Don't they want him dead too?
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If you really want to know,
the whole reason Kovarian and the Silence were trying to kill the Doctor was to prevent the war on Trenzalore. That's where the Silence come from. When all the Doctor's enemies show up and create the stalemate, the resulting war lasts decades and ravages the planet. The Silence's "endless bitter war" was never against the Doctor, they were waging war alongside the Doctor and wanted to avert the whole thing. No Doctor, no war. But they failed, and now it all comes down to this. And no, the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet.

One interesting possible match up I would like to see: Weeping Angels vs. The Silence
 
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Fiktion said:
If you really want to know,
the whole reason Kovarian and the Silence were trying to kill the Doctor was to prevent the war on Trenzalore. That's where the Silence come from. When all the Doctor's enemies show up and create the stalemate, the resulting war lasts decades and ravages the planet. The Silence's "endless bitter war" was never against the Doctor, they were waging war alongside the Doctor and wanted to avert the whole thing. No Doctor, no war. But they failed, and now it all comes down to this. And no, the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet.

One interesting possible match up I would like to see: Weeping Angels vs. The Silence
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Oh I see.
So I'm guessing that Trenzalore is the Silence's home planet? That would fit with the rumor that it's not fought against the Silence, but just on the Silence's doorstep. I don't see the Doctor becoming allies with the Silence per se, but rather working together to defeat a common enemy.
 
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paradox121 said:
The big difference is where the anger is directed- I think a lot of people find the 1st and 6th Doctor's anger horrible because a lot of the time it's directed at their companions, which is a no no. As is always stated the companion is the window for the viewer, so having the Doctor be an asshole to them feels somehow personal.

Have Capaldi come into a room, shout down all the idiots, beat up the bad guy and then give Clara a hug and you're pretty much fine.
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Well, "Unearthly Child" is a bit different in that the Doctor did not invite these people. They were poking their noses where they didn't belong. Him being rude to Ian and Barbara was fine.
 
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With the whole Doctor revisiting past faces thing, perhaps all these clothing and accessories nods are related to that.
 
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Blader

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Fiktion said:
If you really want to know,
the whole reason Kovarian and the Silence were trying to kill the Doctor was to prevent the war on Trenzalore. That's where the Silence come from. When all the Doctor's enemies show up and create the stalemate, the resulting war lasts decades and ravages the planet. The Silence's "endless bitter war" was never against the Doctor, they were waging war alongside the Doctor and wanted to avert the whole thing. No Doctor, no war. But they failed, and now it all comes down to this. And no, the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet.

One interesting possible match up I would like to see: Weeping Angels vs. The Silence
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hmm...
So the Silents are residents of Trenzalore? And that's where the "silents will fall" prophecy comes from -- the Doctor's presence on Trenzalore and the subsequent war leads to the downfall of the Silents' race?
 
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paradox121 said:
The big difference is where the anger is directed- I think a lot of people find the 1st and 6th Doctor's anger horrible because a lot of the time it's directed at their companions, which is a no no. As is always stated the companion is the window for the viewer, so having the Doctor be an asshole to them feels somehow personal.

Have Capaldi come into a room, shout down all the idiots, beat up the bad guy and then give Clara a hug and you're pretty much fine.
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Never forget.
 
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Fiktion

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Blader said:
hmm...
So the Silents are residents of Trenzalore? And that's where the "silents will fall" prophecy comes from -- the Doctor's presence on Trenzalore and the subsequent war leads to the downfall of the Silents' race?
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That seems a very likely interpretation of the prophecy to me.
 
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ryan13ts said:
Now that you mention it, I just realized that there hasn't been a non-human companion in the new series yet at all. Of course, the past "alien" companions of the old series had been human in appearance, but I'm sure that comes down to budgetary and practical reasons as opposed to creative ones.

It would be cool for for them to finally introduce a non-human/Earthling companion to the series, if only to mix things up a bit. I'm not expecting to to be completely alien in appearance for reasons I listed above, but having a companion that's not completely naive to there being other planets/time travel would be nice for a change.
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Does anyone else remember the Masters Companion in Utopia? At the time I remember saying to a friend that I wished the Doctor would get a non-human companion sometime if only to shake things up. I quite liked... whatshername... the blue alien, for the episode she was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhMjRFsJi9s

I wonder if we'll break the streak of young and pretty women anytime soon (well Donna wasn't traditionally pretty or young, but she was an exception to the current rule).
 
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Zen said:
Does anyone else remember the Masters Companion in Utopia? At the time I remember saying to a friend that I wished the Doctor would get a non-human companion sometime if only to shake things up. I quite liked... whatshername... the blue alien, for the episode she was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhMjRFsJi9s

I wonder if we'll break the streak of young and pretty women anytime soon (well Donna wasn't traditionally pretty or young, but she was an exception to the current rule)/
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Chantho was great.

And don't forget about Vastra and Strax, who are both practically companions at this point.
 
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acheron_xl said:
Chantho was great.

And don't forget about Vastra and Strax, who are both practically companions at this point.
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Ah yes, Chantho! It's a shame she kicked the bucket after years of working with him :|

http://youtu.be/m31Qh1uonJQ?t=1m25s

Vastra, Strax, and Jenny are great and I doubt we've seen the last of them. I couldn't picture them tagging along for successive adventures though, which to my mind is kind of necessary for the title of Companion, but I get your meaning entirely.
 
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