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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them
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In a sense, this is revisiting Donna's fate but applied to everything we knew for the last eight years.
This is hilarious.
SkullHydra
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I'm really starting to think they played this episode after the Special for a reason. There are so many small things...
I guess so?
but I'm not quite sure how "the moment" works, there isn't much on the wiki. so yeah, how does it work? Did it kill every dalek or what?
I also don't like the way
that those daleks orbiting gallifrey were destroyed, I mean they were going to destroy each other but ... it doesn't sound that realistic. if the planet disappears they destroy some of their own ship, yeah, but they SHOULDN'T destroy all the ships that are there.
but more importantly, where are the Billie Piper gifs.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
what episode?
Of course they did
shame they didn't play it here in Australia too. Guess I'll go back and rewatch it.The End of Time.
Saiyan-Rox
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So Gaf some questions about the episode that left me a little um confused I guess.
So the general does say "all 13 of them" does he not? implying that there can't be more and capaldi is the 13th after all then?
The whole crossing his own time stream was a little strange swell thought the tardis wouldn't allow that but that was kinda shrugged off.
So Gallifrey didn't fall and is out of sync it's just that the younger doctor forgot about what he did and thought he destroyed it all this time but what about rassilon he was still made shit crazy so wouldn't bringing or finding it just bring back that whole thing again which is why he tried to stop it last time?
Also how can baker be a future regeneration? that didn't make sense to me either.
oh and Tenth just shrugging off the bad wolf comment was strange swell.
Sorry if some points are easy just pickled is all! very good episode tho very emotional bloody peeved i didn't get to the cinema ><
So the general does say "all 13 of them" does he not? implying that there can't be more and capaldi is the 13th after all then?
The whole crossing his own time stream was a little strange swell thought the tardis wouldn't allow that but that was kinda shrugged off.
So Gallifrey didn't fall and is out of sync it's just that the younger doctor forgot about what he did and thought he destroyed it all this time but what about rassilon he was still made shit crazy so wouldn't bringing or finding it just bring back that whole thing again which is why he tried to stop it last time?
Also how can baker be a future regeneration? that didn't make sense to me either.
oh and Tenth just shrugging off the bad wolf comment was strange swell.
Sorry if some points are easy just pickled is all! very good episode tho very emotional bloody peeved i didn't get to the cinema ><
TetraxShards
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Seeing this in the cinema was great, BTW. I've never seen my local cinema so busy, the screening was full half-an-hour before showtime. People from age 8 to 80 there, whole families in fezes, a guy who must have been seven foot tall in a Tom Baker scarf, dozens of "Keep Calm and Don't Blink" shirts and the like and oh lord, so many sonics. The special bits for the cinema rules and putting on your 3D specs were great.
And when the show started, the crowd was the most respectful but enthusiastic one I've ever had the pleasure of watching something with. I had a fantastic time.
And when the show started, the crowd was the most respectful but enthusiastic one I've ever had the pleasure of watching something with. I had a fantastic time.
for instance?
Jest Chillin
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I'm pretty sure they all remember everything up to the moment 10 and 11 enter the barn. They would simply recall the meeting as being necessary to solve the Zygon problem.
It actually makes more sense this way. Since The Moment never actually destroys both sides, it stands to reason that as many as escaped, could have escaped. Otherwise it doesn't actually make sense that every Time Lord is destroyed but not every Dalek. With the actions in DotD, we see that the Time Lords are secured/lost and the Dalek simply nearly decimated themselves.
DiipuSurotu
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I love how this special explains why the NuWho Doctors are younger. They're ashamed of what the old grandpa War Doctor did. But now that Eleven is at peace with that, Twelve will be older again as seen with Peter Capaldi.
Remember hearing Moffat said count the regenerations.
Putting this in spoilers just incase:
Putting this in spoilers just incase:
There was one time he on purposely didn't regenerate but he still used what was going to be his regeneration onto his hand which thus became Ten-two.
That would make it 12 times he has used the full amount of his regeneration energy and if he needs his energy to regenerate... he won't have it when '11' dies.
Capaldi is the start of a new regen cycle if this all rings true. Christmas special with the 'final' battle on Trenzalore should clear this up.
That would make it 12 times he has used the full amount of his regeneration energy and if he needs his energy to regenerate... he won't have it when '11' dies.
Capaldi is the start of a new regen cycle if this all rings true. Christmas special with the 'final' battle on Trenzalore should clear this up.
paradox121
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Ha this is amazing. Great to see everyone take the piss out of themselves.
Though, totally missing the point here, but were those new Daleks? The New Paradigm ones were a lot more...skittle-y but those were a sort of sparkly metallic.
The Technomancer
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The moment is a magic wizard that lets stuff happen
But seriously, its set up to be this incredibly powerful superweapon that can bend time and space allowing stuff like that to happen. And I'm actually okay with that this time because it was introduced at the beginning of the episode and used as the conceit to drive the plot and not introduced at the very end of the episode in order to neatly wrap things up in time.
This is how you handle an arbitrarily powerful plot element Moffat. Thanks for finally getting it right
Hot Coldman
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OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
I loved that, funny how Tennant fucking dominated the multi-Doctor scenes despite my general preference of Smith
that is supposed to happen before this, right? I mean it in the end of time iirc they were still fighting, and NOW, after that, they do all of this.
It's strange tho that rassilon didn't say a thing about that, and the same goes for the 10th.
one thing, isn't capaldi supposed to be the 12th doctor? Why do they say 13 then.
oh nvm, the war doctor, makes sense.
That was hilarious. Everyone should watch this, seriously.
Chezzymann
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I'm pretty sure I don't have short term memory issues and it is the show's problem since there are so many details and plot points being quickly introduced and quickly explained in one hour, not to mention the multiple timelines at the beginning of the episode. The book thing was originally just used as an example to get people to better understand problem I was having with this episode. I have never had this problem with Doctor Who before the 7th season, the rest were much easier to understand and follow.
But no, I had a hard time following this episode because I'm drunk, ADD, retarded, and have short term memory issues. Ditching this thread. Too many jerks.
Yes, remember that its not a reset, but a reveal. Gallifrey was never destroyed, only ever thought to be. The surviving daleks only think they escaped a time lock. its a pretty clever way of expanding the story potential without resetting everything.
Jest Chillin
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The General says "all 12 of them" and Capaldi says "13."
The Moment allowed it to happen. Being that it's the most powerful weapon in the universe, I suppose it's able to break those rules without resulting in catastrophe.
Htown seems to have the timeline clarified:
This is the most unclear part of the whole thing. It's insinuated that Baker is some future regeneration of The Doctor that he can control somehow.
It seems to take place before 10 knows the full reveal of Bad Wolf but after noticing the name recurring. It may take place before 10 has even met Rose.
Go another day if you can! I watched today but still plan on seeing it in the theater in 3D on Monday.
Fred Norris
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Yeah-that's not possible. Rose was there when Nine turned into Ten. This is after Rose turned into Bad Wolf.
SkullHydra
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Tennant is 906 when he regenerates. I think he mentioned that he was 904 in the 50th Anniversary, so take from that what you will.
And dang... I don't think I can handle watching Tennant regenerate again. It gets me every single time. T-T
ReplacementPelican
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That bit was epic but there were 13 before Capaldi, surely? 1-12 and then The War Doctor, Capaldi made 14, right?
Also, in the Mc Gann mini-episode the woman did say the drink allowed him to choose, maybe he chooses his Fourth Incarnation for some reason.
Instead of complaining how it's the show's fault how you couldn't digest everything, which would be typical of someone, why don't you just - here's a thought - go back and watch the episodes again and pick up stuff on what you missed out.
This definitely takes place post-Rose. The expression he has at the mention of Bad Wolf is really telling. He wouldn't have had that reaction if he didn't know the connection the words had to Rose.
WyndhamPrice
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lolwut
How can 10 not have ever met Rose when he meets her as 9?
Not to mention that he regenerates in front of her and wakes up post-regeneration in her house.
TetraxShards
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No, there were 13 (1-8, War, 9-12).
Saiyan-Rox
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The General says "all 12 of them" and Capaldi says "13."
The Moment allowed it to happen. Being that it's the most powerful weapon in the universe, I suppose it's able to break those rules without resulting in catastrophe.
Htown seems to have the timeline clarified:
This is the most unclear part of the whole thing. It's insinuated that Baker is some future regeneration of The Doctor that he can control somehow.
It seems to take place before 10 knows the full reveal of Bad Wolf but after noticing the name recurring. It may take place before 10 has even met Rose.
Go another day if you can! I watched today but still plan on seeing it in the theater in 3D on Monday.
See thing about the the tennant part is he knew rose from when he was 9th so he would have known what bad wolf meant right away since thats how he regenerated.
and i'd like to see how that baker thing turns out if that is how it works lol altho the doctor isn't supposed to retire and dies in the battle of trenzalore sure his time line is there in the massive tardis :S since matt is going there for the chrimbo special i'm wondering how that's all going to work it's such a mind fuck!
i'm gonna have to go watch it again on the iplayer I think lol or as you say maybe gather a group and see if they wanna go then and see it, to the internet! oh wait i'm already here.
One of the companions in Old Who was a Time Lord who got to pick what she looked like after regeneration, right?
Also the Master made himself young intentionally when he regenerated from his Professor Yana form.
It's clearly between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time. The Ood summon Ten, he goes and does whatever because he felt like it, during which time he married Good Queen Bess (which we saw this episode.)
Box of Bunnies
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You're the one that got all "of course you internet nerds understand everything" when we first tried to explain it to you.
1-12? Matt Smith is the 11th Doctor. Capaldi is the 12th. Plus the War Doctor makes 13, where do you get 14 from?
It definitely does not.
infiniteloop
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so... what was the resolution with the Zygon plot?
Rhomega Beta
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Any idea on when this will be up on iTunes...or something?
Everyone needs to watch The Five(ish) Doctors reunion.
So many great cameos, including
Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy
So many great cameos, including
McGann
Tennant
Smith
Clara
(Sort of) Tom Baker
Moffat
Barrowman
Peter Jackson
Ian Macellen
RTD
Also, loved the reveal at the end that the Zygons under the sheets in the 50th were actually Docs 5 through 7.
Also also, Ian Macellen in Gandalf attire and Peter Jackson's scene was too funny. "Actually... I think it might be an improvement."
And so many Giffable Moffat moments.
Oh and the reveal of who was in the car with Barrowman.
Tennant
Smith
Clara
(Sort of) Tom Baker
Moffat
Barrowman
Peter Jackson
Ian Macellen
RTD
Also, loved the reveal at the end that the Zygons under the sheets in the 50th were actually Docs 5 through 7.
Also also, Ian Macellen in Gandalf attire and Peter Jackson's scene was too funny. "Actually... I think it might be an improvement."
And so many Giffable Moffat moments.
Oh and the reveal of who was in the car with Barrowman.
Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy
D'oh, forgot to mention that I've always assumed
the Tennant metacrisis counted as a regeneration. No reason why it shouldn't, really. Although there's every chance it won't.
What about the Meta-Crisis Doctor?
The Doctors used UNIT's memory wipe device to make everyone forget whether they were human or Zygon, then had them negotiate the fairest peace possible, since nobody knew who they were representing.
They don't know if they're Zygons or not and made peace with the people in The Tower.
Fred Norris
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I'm beginning to think I'm the only one that watched this episode.
infiniteloop
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right. but... there's now 2 of everybody?
ReplacementPelican
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I think I got a bit confused, apologies for that. Thanks though everyone.
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