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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Ripclawe

Banned
Who else felt happy that the War Doctor became the Doctor again? I felt his redemption was amazing, but also really saddening when he forgets immediately after that regeneration to become Eccleston.

I was happy, he was just pushed to what he thought was the only option and he got redeemed with help by the moment who brought in the other doctors to help him figure it out.
 
Just got back. This whole experience was easily one of the highlights of my year/life.
The atmosphere amongst everyone before, during and after in the cinema was something I literally can't express. It was just pure joy and excitement.

I'm sure watching the episode in the cold light of day it won't necessarily be as jaw dropping but damn if that's wasn't something special. I totally get what Moffat was on about with this setting up the next 50 years. It felt simultaneously like tying a bow on one chapter and then beginning a whole new one.

My friend made the point that this episode was partly Moffat ironing out all the kinks in the new series to make the whole thing 'flow' a bit better. Not that the new stuff has been bad, far from it, but all the call outs to the eccentricities of Tennant and Smith, and the resurrection of Gallifrey, and the implication that the whole emo Doctor era is done and dusted felt like him saying 'Ok, Doctor Who no longer has to apologise for itself, it's here to stay' which is such a brilliant message to have after 50 years.

But yeah, this was beyond how I imagined it. Literally shaking a bit still. Also: dem Capaldi eyes!
 

ramyeon

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Just got back. This whole experience was easily one of the highlights of my year/life.
The atmosphere before, during and after in the cinema was something I literally can't express. It was just pure joy and excitement.
I can't express how jealous I am of people seeing this in the cinema. I can't even begin to imagine how amazing the atmosphere must have been.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
New timeline wrinkle, you ready?

Remember how in the End of Time he arrived at the Ood planet and mentioned how he married good queen Bess?
 

DarkFlow

Banned
I could follow the general plot but I couldn't follow all the little details and keep them in my head, ex, where the wormhole came from, what the shapeshifting people's motivations were, how all 12 doctors somehow teamed up, How baker managed to make an appearance, and why the consciousness of that machine looks like Rose.

Really? They spelled out pretty much all of that, leaving no room for you not to understand it.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
God I just realized the Doctor's relationship timeline with Elizabeth I is nearly as complicated as the one he has with River.
 

LordGouda

Member
It's hard not listening to "I am the Doctor". After watching the special, I just need that song in my veins!

God I just realized the Doctor's relationship timeline with Elizabeth I is nearly as complicated as the one he has with River.
Oh yeah, definitely. He snogged her, married her, left her, came back at the same point where she would banish him from her kingdom, and have created Torchwood because of him.
 

Shiloa

Member
So wait, was Tom Baker's appearance, The Doctor of the past, a future incarnation of, or a whole new persona "The Curator"?

It said when it first popped up that it was the Moment's interface, having taken the image of Rose for the Doctor. It meant to take an image from his past but messed up and got one from his future.
I get that that was the dialogue explanation, but I'm not sure if that is the real answer. I think it was written so that it was Rose Tyler fixing it. The way the interface says "Rose Tyler" then goes, "no...Bad Wolf" or something suggests it was Rose reaching back.
 

ramyeon

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God I just realized the Doctor's relationship timeline with Elizabeth I is nearly as complicated as the one he has with River.
That's timey wimey relationships for you!

Loved War Doctor's mocking of that line and 10th's "No idea where he got that from!" line.
 
Really? They spelled out pretty much all of that, leaving no room for you not to understand it.

I can't memorize every single line of the show. When something is only mentioned in a one off sentence that usually is very quick, its easy for me to not hear it or notice it. Same thing happens with books. I usually have to go back and read previous sections of chapters because I can't keep the entire plot of the book perfectly stored in my head. Every once in a while I forget some details.
 

Symphonia

Banned
I can't express how jealous I am of people seeing this in the cinema. I can't even begin to imagine how amazing the atmosphere must have been.
It was incredible. The overall atmosphere in the lobby was something you need to have seen for yourself then in the actual screen itself - just seeing everyone sit down in their little groups, chatting about how excited they are, then the talk leading up to the start with random strangers and the collective cheers, gasps, etc as it happens on screen, it really was a once-in-a-lifetime event and I'm truly honoured to have been part of it.
 

ramyeon

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I can't memorize every single line of the show. When something is only mentioned in a one off sentence that usually is very quick, its easy for me to not hear it or notice it. Same thing happens with books. I usually have to go back and read previous sections of chapters because I can't keep the entire plot of the book perfectly stored in my head. Every once in a while I forget some details.
Seems like it's your problem and not the problem of the show then.
It was incredible. The overall atmosphere in the lobby was something you need to have seen for yourself then in the actual screen itself - just seeing everyone sit down in their little groups, chatting about how excited they are, then the talk leading up to the start with random strangers and the collective cheers, gasps, etc as it happens on screen, it really was a once-in-a-lifetime event and I'm truly honoured to have been part of it.
:( man I thought I couldn't get any more jealous.
 

RichardAM

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Episode was really great. Not perfect, but definitely a lot better than all the other finales/specials Moffat has done.

Lots of fan service, and I loved that. Eccleston regen was a massive dick tease though.
 
Episode was really great. Not perfect, but definitely a lot better than all the other finales/specials Moffat has done.

Lots of fan service, and I loved that. Eccleston regen was a massive dick tease though.

They made it REAL easy for fan video editors to recreate it on their own though. Mwhaha.
 
Seems like it's your problem and not the problem of the show then.

Not being able to remember all the crucial little details that are only quickly mentioned in fast paced conversations is my problem, and not the shows? I guess you guys are super geniuses then.
 
It was incredible. The overall atmosphere in the lobby was something you need to have seen for yourself then in the actual screen itself - just seeing everyone sit down in their little groups, chatting about how excited they are, then the talk leading up to the start with random strangers and the collective cheers, gasps, etc as it happens on screen, it really was a once-in-a-lifetime event and I'm truly honoured to have been part of it.

Very much this.

I mean, they could've had Smith and Tennant sat in a room doing nothing for 90 mins and everyone would've gone crazy but yeah it was like Doctor Who with a laughter track. But good.
 

DarkFlow

Banned
I can't memorize every single line of the show. When something is only mentioned in a one off sentence that usually is very quick, its easy for me to not hear it or notice it. Same thing happens with books. I usually have to go back and read previous sections of chapters because I can't keep the entire plot of the book perfectly stored in my head. Every once in a while I forget some details.

I do that, but only when I don't focus on what I'm reading and let my mind wonder to other things. Re-watch, it will all become clear.
 

ramyeon

Member
Not being able to remember all the crucial little details that are only quickly mentioned in fast paced conversations is my problem, and not the shows? I guess you guys are super geniuses then.
No one's saying you have to be a genius to understand Doctor Who lol.

You said you have a similar issue when reading books and other stuff so it seems like you may just need to watch it again to pick up the details.
 
Not being able to remember all the crucial little details that are only quickly mentioned in fast paced conversations is my problem, and not the shows? I guess you guys are super geniuses then.
You said yourself that you have problems reading books as well, and you even read those at your own pace. That definitely sounds like your problem, not the show's.
 
I do that, but only when I don't focus on what I'm reading and let my mind wonder to other things. Re-watch, it will all become clear.

So when you are focused you can have every single detail from the book perfectly memorized in your head, and you dont have to go back and look at things? Wow. I envy you.
 
Sooooo......if the moment was never used, and only Daleks orbiting Gallifrey were destroyed, does that mean there's loads of new daleks out there now? What about all the abominations - the nightmare child, the could've been king & his army of meanwhiles and never weres, the Skaros Degradations...are they all "out there" somewhere now?
 

DarkFlow

Banned
So when you are focused you can have every single detail from the book perfectly memorized in your head, and you dont have to go back and look at things? Wow. I envy you.

I can keep the main plot points in my head, It's not that hard of a skill... Hell I could give you general jest of a book I read 10 years ago. Do you have no memory retention? You sound like someone with ADD.
 
I can keep the main plot points in my head, It's that that hard of a skill... Hell I could give you general jest of a book I read 10 years ago.

I can keep the general plot points memorized too. But its all the many little details of how things happened that are hard for me to remember.
 

Symphonia

Banned
Sooooo......if the moment was never used, and only Daleks orbiting Gallifrey were destroyed, does that mean there's loads of new daleks out there now? What about all the abominations - the nightmare child, the could've been king & his army of meanwhiles and never weres, the Skaros Degradations...are they all "out there" somewhere now?
Pretty much.

Season eight is going to be amazing.
 
Sooooo......if the moment was never used, and only Daleks orbiting Gallifrey were destroyed, does that mean there's loads of new daleks out there now? What about all the abominations - the nightmare child, the could've been king & his army of meanwhiles and never weres, the Skaros Degradations...are they all "out there" somewhere now?

Hurt's Doctor said that he'd forget and go on to believe that he burned Gallifrey: He knew he took the moment with every intention of using it but then seemingly forgot everything past that point up until he started regenerating.

So it follows every incarnation afterwards would think they destroyed Gallifrey. Only Smith's Doctor and others after him will know the truth.

In short: There's no "reset" as such, and I thought Moffat was clever in how he managed to pull that off.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
okay so we have to assume that Ten remembers most of what happens in this episode, because Eleven remembers "this is where I come in". He also remembers marrying Elizabeth I in the End of Time.
 

mclem

Member
It's fair to assume that
now that Smith is technically the twelfth, he's going to get a new cycle of regenerations or the limit will be eliminated before changing into Capaldi.

Twelve regenerations means thirteen bodies. He's still got the regeneration into Capaldi available, then Capaldi needs to figure something out before he pops his clogs.


Did folks note the little nod towards UNIT dating?
 

odiin

My Apartment, or the 120 Screenings of Salo
That Tom Baker guy did a pretty good job as the future Doctor. It's a shame it was just a one off and we'll never see more of what his take on the character would be like.
 
I can keep the general plot points memorized too. But its all the many little details of how things happened that are hard for me to remember.

It's an hour of telly you just watched, not a dense tome you read ten years ago.

I think it'd be best if you saw a doctor about your short term memory issues.
 

RedShift

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Sooooo......if the moment was never used, and only Daleks orbiting Gallifrey were destroyed, does that mean there's loads of new daleks out there now? What about all the abominations - the nightmare child, the could've been king & his army of meanwhiles and never weres, the Skaros Degradations...are they all "out there" somewhere now?

Possible the WarDoc already killed them. We know he saw Davros's flagship fly into the jaws of the Nightmare Child right, and that he tried to save him? Maybe after that he killed/otherwise indisposed of it. Similarly for the others.

I love that the references to Arcadia and the Moment through NuWho have finally been resolved, though it would be nice to have some closure on those other hints as well.
 
Didn't think I'd like the Time Lords being bought back, but loved it. Adored it. Don't use them too frequently, Moffat! Don't make him Lord President again. Keep him a runaway!

Loved the Tom cameo but at the same time sort of perplexed as to what it all means, really. I would've loved if that had been Capaldi! Imagine!
 
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