it was presented as a temporary memory loss.
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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them
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it was presented as a temporary memory loss.
TetraxShards
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Even if that did count, and I don't think it does because he didn't fully regenerate, that Doctor couldn't appear because he's in Pete's World. He has no TARDIS, or doesn't have one yet (there was a scene cut from Journey's End where Ten scrapes off a bit of his TARDIS and tells Meta-Ten to grow his own). So he has no means of escaping Pete's World.
I've been toying with watching the (new) series from scratch fully, guess I'm going to have to go through with it once I'm finished with Fringe. Is there a comprehensive list of new episodes of what to watch/skip? From what I vaguely remember some episodes really put me off the series since they were just abysmal filler while some episodes were stellar.
I have to come back to this because it's ridiculous how people are getting so caught up on Baker's appearance and its meaning.
There is none.
It was a neat plot device to let him appear. It is something that happens so far in the future of the Doctor's time line that they could safely use it since they'll more than likely never have to explain it.
The Eight drank the drink and regenerated into Hurt, the War Doctor, they could not have made that any clearer in the mini episode unless they hit us over the head with it.
It wasn't him that said it. It was one of the people in the Time Lord control room that said it. They just showed Capaldi.
no, one of the time lord generals said that
I'd say it doesn't no. Watch The Eleventh Hour instead. Now that's a brilliant standalone episode.
I mentioned that above in my previous post. It explains it perfectly as to why
The tardis on Trenzalore is Matts and Clara never seeing Capaldi.
It is also, absolutely purely and literally, a deus ex machina.
Thought so, just a previous poster said it was him. Glad they didn't change their mind and stick with an English accent.
So is Hurt's 'War Doctor' the 9th Doctor then, Even in the end credits sequence when they showed the faces he is now slotted in the running order of Doctors. Making Capaldi the 13th, I guess we'll find out in the regeneration scene.
Jest Chillin
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Yeah I had a brain fart there. I think I was just mixed up in remembering Bad Wolf mentions even after 10 had regenerated.
So then regenerations aren't completely random. Perhaps The Doctors are just sub-consciously controlled but become fully controllable at some point in the future?
DiipuSurotu
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yes, and that's why the whole thing isn't completed. I mean they didn't show what they did after that, so we don't know what's gonna happen to those zygon.
But then how do you explain Capaldi showing up in Day of the Doctor? That only makes sense if he's still part of the same regeneration cycle.
Probably better to do it the other way around. There's some direct scenes and dialogue from the anniversary, although nothing *too* spoilery springs to mind.
And on the subject of spoilery, something else has sprung to mind:
Isn't this the first time Clara has met UNIT and Kate? There's an implication late in the Black Archive scenes that it's not the first time Kate has met Clara. More timey wimey!
New set of regenerations (which we should see at the end of the Christmas Special maybe?). Matt's doctor is aware that he needs to use another regeneration (in this case his first of his new set of regenerations) to save Gallifrey and thus went there at that particular point in time.
He showed up because he knew he needed to basically.
edit: Just saw your edit.
He keeps his memories in his new regen cycle, doesn't make sense to lose them. He knows he needs to go there to save Gallifrey as they needed one more Doctor to save it. That's how I'd figure it
acheron_xl
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As awesome as that was (and I need some time to properly digest it) the Eyes of Capaldi was the thing that got me to fist pump the hardest. I mean, nice cop-out to get him in without committing to a costume or hairstyle too early.
paradox121
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Seems like I'm the only one who didn't
I can't remember the exact quote but when Kate's on the phone getting people to retrieve some files she says something like 'They may be listed as being from the 70s or the 80s'.
But if he is the first in a new set of regenerations, and that new set is invited to the party, it makes no sense that only Capaldi would show up. There would have been many future Doctors. And this would also mean that Matt should know that he has a life beyond Trenzalore.
It only makes sense if Capaldi is the last, not another first.
TetraxShards
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Okay, I'll attempt this. Here's a cut-down list of episodes that are either very good or necessary to understand the plot. Multi parters are listed on the same line.
Series 1:
Rose
Dalek
Father's Day
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
Series 2:
The Christmas Invasion
School Reunion
The Girl in the Fireplace
Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel
The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit
Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
Series 3:
Smith and Jones
The Shakespeare Code
Human Nature/The Family of Blood
Blink
Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords
Series 4:
Time Crash (mini-episode, on YouTube)
Partners in Crime
The Fires of Pompeii
The Unicorn and the Wasp
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
Midnight
Turn Left
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
The 2009 Specials:
The Waters of Mars
The End of Time, Parts One and Two
Series 5:
The Eleventh Hour
The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
Amy's Choice
The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
Vincent and the Doctor
The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
Series 6:
A Christmas Carol
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People
A Good Man Goes to War
Let's Kill Hitler
The Girl Who Waited
The Wedding of River Song
Series 7:
Asylum of the Daleks
The Angels Take Manhattan
The Snowmen
The Bells of St. John
The Crimson Horror
The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor (mini-episode, on YouTube)
The Day of the Doctor
WyndhamPrice
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This was in dialogue in the special so I won't put it in tags:
At some point off-screen Clara went to UNIT to get vetted by Kate to make sure she's not a threat. They wiped her memory, like they wipe the memory of everyone else below a certain clearance level at the end of every day in the Black Archive.
Now that Clara's been vetted this was her first trip back where she won't have to be wiped.
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Why you should watch that
"Who's your favorite Doctor?"
Barrowman: "Oh, probably Peter Cushing"
Eh?
I thought it was confirmed that Clara was to be the companion in Season 8 as well...
Saiyan-Rox
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if this regen cycle thing is true he must lose something then surely? otherwise why need a new regen cycle? :S argh so much mystery I hate it and love it at the same time
Started off well, loved Billi as the interface, the Daleks attacking was like an early Christmas present...then it kind of vanished up it's own arse with the Queen Bess / Zygon nonsense. Tom Baker appearing was an amazing moment though. 7/10
I did like the way they explained the Zygons planet being destroyed was because of the time war, connects nicely with Terror.
I did like the way they explained the Zygons planet being destroyed was because of the time war, connects nicely with Terror.
You are a gentleman and a scholar, I appreciate this very much!
I mean, in the last episode of the last series (7) when she
went inside the doctors time stream and saw all the doctors up to the point where the doctor 'died' apart from the war doctor
Not to mention
The Curator clearly had memories from when he was 11 and before, so there will be no memory loss either
Oh I get you now. That does make some sense to a point, but I wouldn't expect anything drastic.
Android18a
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Well we'll see at the end of Christmas (since I assume we'll see Capaldi at the end of it).
But I just assumed they did a close up/not staying too long on Capaldi because they haven't made a new Tardis yet since it won't be used until S8?
Again, just an assumption but we'll see.
Napoleonthechimp
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I don't see why they'd have to reinvent the Tardis for the next Doctor. It seems like a waste of a good set if they do it.
Had a different one for Chris, David and Matt so I always assumed there would be a new one. 10th one looks like a darker version of 9th doctors Tardis (having trouble finding 9th doctors tardis on google) I think.
11th is totally different so I'm just assuming Capaldi will have a different one, even if it's just a slight difference but I may be wrong, we won't know til S8.
I would so watch a British version of Curb Your Enthusiasm starring Peter Davison.
APZonerunner
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It's so subjective. Just watch them all, I'd say. Even the shit ones mean something to someone. Even Fear Her has the lovely moment with the jam. Just watch them all! You may find more things to like in even the worse ones on a second watch. I know I did!
DrForester
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That's awesome who they got to participate in the Five(ish) Doctors.
BUT NO, ECCLESTON CAN'T BE TROUBLED!
Jackson and McKellan
BUT NO, ECCLESTON CAN'T BE TROUBLED!
Tennant didn't miss a beat. Just confirmed I'l always prefer him over Smith.
So psyched for Capaldi though
You're overthinking it a bit. It was just a plot device to let him make a cameo as the doctor that made sense.
APZonerunner
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The more I think about it the more naffed off I am Eccleston wouldn't even do a day. How much more complete the story could be if we saw that regeneration complete and then had one line off him. His first words; "What have I done...?" Would've been perfect. Miserable sod, though I love his version of the character. Alas!
Great episode, though. I'm sure plot-wise it won't stand much under scrutiny and will end up looking like a swarm of moths have gone at it, but a lot of my favourites are like that. Loved it all the same. Simply magnificent.
Great episode, though. I'm sure plot-wise it won't stand much under scrutiny and will end up looking like a swarm of moths have gone at it, but a lot of my favourites are like that. Loved it all the same. Simply magnificent.
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