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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Two quick things:

Jesus, Joanna Page was working that fucking dress.

Osgood marking out for the Doctor game me flashbacks to that UNIT scientist Lee Evans played in Planet of the Dead. I liked it.
 
Only thirteen by my count :p we'll have to wait awhile for the fourteenth haha.
Nope. Tom Baker the Second.

Moffat's been talking about his pet concept of a far-flung future Doctor popping up and being played by a celebrity for a while now. It just so happened that the celebrity turned out to be Tom Baker.
Osgood marking out for the Doctor game me flashbacks to that UNIT scientist Lee Evans played in Planet of the Dead. I liked it.
They kept on mentioning Malcolm, and I kept on hoping he'd make an appearance. Preferably with Magambo.
 
Two quick things:

Jesus, Joanna Page was working that fucking dress.

Osgood marking out for the Doctor game me flashbacks to that UNIT scientist Lee Evans played in Planet of the Dead. I liked it.

Said scientist, Malcolm, was name-checked twice! Reckon they might bring him back. Very weird to mark out a character that deeply, especially a one-off. Would like to see more UNIT. Kate, Osgood & Malcolm could be amazing.

It would be lovely if the fandom showed respect for what Hurt did and how his character ends up, in my opinion. It's a good fandom for the most part who don't treat every change to the character as sacrilege, so it would be nice to see a change where Hurt was now Nine, Eccleston was Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith was Twelve when being referred to. Probs won't happen and Hurt will stay as War or DOTD Doctor, but eh.

The BBC and production team really dictate this, though. The fandom will just adopt whatever merchandise and stuff says - and Moffat has already said they're not changing the numbering, for what it's worth.
 
He'll be the new Tom, who was of course a miserable bastard about all things Doctor Who for years. It took him until last year to even do a Big Finish audio story. No doubt when his career is ravaged by age, like Tom, he'll suddenly be eager again.

Moffat (or Gatiss or whoever is in charge then) will have a chance, though. 2015 marks ten years since the anniversary, and I think it'd be lovely to try to get him for that. Him & Capaldi. Fireworks. Or even all four of them! I get the feeling Tennant and Smith will never, ever say no.

Yeah I desperately hope so.

It's weird to think that Smith and Tennant will pretty much always be the 'manic Doctors' from now on. Someone pointed out earlier in the thread how Smith regenerating into Capaldi is a sign of him making peace with his older, darker side. It'd be awesome to see those two play against Eccleston and Capaldi (assuming he'll be more calm and stern).
 
Loved the special, but it raises some interesting questions for how they approach things should Gallifrey return to the universe. Ten told the Master that he had to kill them all because of how corrupt and brutal they had become, namely as bad as the Daleks. Presumably as things now stand, lunatic Rassilon is still there along with the Doctor's purported mother and whoever else. It would be interesting to see how the universe reacts to the Time Lords' return, and what direction their society goes. I mean, the Daleks still exist in great number, won't the war start again at some point?

Moffat said this special would set up the next 50 years of Doctor Who. Like it's chapter 2 of his life or something.

The first 50 years were about the Doctor wandering randomly through space and time; the next 50 years will be about him searching for home, a.k.a. Gallifrey. I wouldn't be surprised if Gallifrey doesn't EVER return at all (not until 2063 anyway).
 

Ripclawe

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It would be lovely if the fandom showed respect for what Hurt did and how his character ends up, in my opinion. It's a good fandom for the most part who don't treat every change to the character as sacrilege, so it would be nice to see a change where Hurt was now Nine, Eccleston was Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith was Twelve when being referred to. Probs won't happen and Hurt will stay as War or DOTD Doctor, but eh.

I think Hurt as the "THE WAR DOCTOR" is pretty cool in itself. He stands out from the rest and his performance will be held up as awesome from now on
 
Said scientist, Malcolm, was name-checked twice! Reckon they might bring him back. Very weird to mark out a character that deeply, especially a one-off. Would like to see more UNIT. Kate, Osgood & Malcolm could be amazing.

That was it, Malcolm! I must've missed the name-checks, but I'll be looking out for them.
 

Wilbur

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They'll give Hurt endless respect I'm sure - he is quite literally the finest actor to ever play the Doctor.

The fact they got someone of his calibre is fantastic. I mean, they've had brilliant actors before since the revival; the last three Doctors - especially known qualities like Tennant and Ecclestone who was a coup himself - and then if you look at some of the guest stars:

Simon Callow, Simon Pegg, Anthony Head, Penelope Wilson, Marc Warren, Richard Wilson, John Simm, Capaldi in the Vesuvius episode, Lesley Sharp, David Morrissey, Timothy Dalton, Lindsay Duncan, Toby Jones, Michael Gambon...

I mean, Jacobi and McKellen were great but their roles were very small (and my personal favourite actor Brian Cox should be given more to do than voice the Ood ;_; ), so Hurt is the biggest coup they've made so far. It might be a 'Brando/Nicholson in superhero movies' type deal where considering its as famous as its ever been there might be more legitimacy about it and they'll be able to get some real real talent on board (not that they haven't up until now but I hope you get my drift)
 

Shiv47

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Moffat said this special would set up the next 50 years of Doctor Who. Like it's chapter 2 of his life or something.

The first 50 years were about the Doctor wandering randomly through space and time; the next 50 years will be about him searching for home, a.k.a. Gallifrey. I wouldn't be surprised if Gallifrey doesn't EVER return at all (not until 2063 anyway).

I'd be utterly shocked if they never do it. Hell, it'll probably be the big story in whatever 10th anniversary stuff they do for the current run. Putting it out there that Gallifrey was lost was like asking to bring it back somehow, which we've got. It won't be too long before they have the "finding Gallifrey" storyline.
 

Tregard

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The idea of thinking about the 100th hurts my head, especially when you consider the fact that should it actually run for another 50 years, thats another 12 (probably more) Doctors.

On an unrelated note, I reckon Capaldi and McGann would play well against each other.

Five(ish) Doctors reboot is my favourite thing from the anniversary, those cameos!
 
I'd be utterly shocked if they never do it. Hell, it'll probably be the big story in whatever 10th anniversary stuff they do for the current run. Putting it out there that Gallifrey was lost was like asking to bring it back somehow, which we've got. It won't be too long before they have the "finding Gallifrey" storyline.

It'll go one of two ways - Moffat'll either leave it standing as a question and that'll be the next person's decision, or they'll bring them back and do something to change the very nature of the Time Lords in general. Moffat said he disliked the concept of them as all-powerful, and he feels that they reduce how 'special' the Doctor is, so I can see him nerfing them if he does bring them back. Like I said earlier in this thread, I bet if they return they say most of the TARDISes were destroyed in the war and the Doctor is one of the few with a working one left, if not the only one.
 

maharg

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So I'm really extra confused as to what exactly The Doctor did (originally, or another way, what he thought he did) to end the Time War now. He was going to make them burn and they all died, but they came back out of timelock very much not burned in Ten's last few episodes. And the Doctor was not surprised by this. So... huh?

It'll go one of two ways - Moffat'll either leave it standing as a question and that'll be the next person's decision, or they'll bring them back and do something to change the very nature of the Time Lords in general. Moffat said he disliked the concept of them as all-powerful, and he feels that they reduce how 'special' the Doctor is, so I can see him nerfing them if he does bring them back. Like I said earlier in this thread, I bet if they return they say most of the TARDISes were destroyed in the war and the Doctor is one of the few with a working one left, if not the only one.

My bet is this is set up for whatever state of the universe Moffat's successor wants. Also my hope that there is a succession plan.
 

Trike

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DrForester

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Watching the special again on BBCA. Hurt really does overshadow the other two. Which isn't a bad thing. It's odd that he seems a lot more natural in the role than the other two do.
 

Joqu

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So I'm really extra confused as to what exactly The Doctor did (originally, or another way, what he thought he did) to end the Time War now. He was going to make them burn and they all died, but they came back out of timelock very much not burned in Ten's last few episodes. And the Doctor was not surprised by this. So... huh?



My bet is this is set up for whatever state of the universe Moffat's successor wants. Also my hope that there is a succession plan.

Well they mention in The End of Time that The Doctor possesses the moment so I guess it's supposed to take place during the events of The Day of The Doctor from Gallifrey's perspective, thus them not being burned yet? It doesn't make much sense, but it can be explained away as a time travelling thing.

The timelock locked away all of Gallifrey's history, so it must have had non-burned Gallifrey in there too or something.
 
Well they mention in The End of Time that The Doctor possesses the moment so I guess it's supposed to take place during the events of The Day of The Doctor from Gallifrey's perspective, thus them not being burned yet? It doesn't make much sense, but it can be explained away as a time travelling thing.

There's a line at the beginning of the special that mentions the High Council being in a meeting at the same time the War Council was.
 

Trike

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So, why is the 11th so mopey about his permanent death on Trenzalore if the 12th Doctor was there during the Time War? I enjoyed the special, but it served better a New Who celebration rather than a 50th.
 

DrForester

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So, why is the 11th so mopey about his permanent death on Trenzalore if the 12th Doctor was there during the Time War? I enjoyed the special, but it served better a New Who celebration rather than a 50th.

Did 11 specify that Trenzelor was where HE died, or "The Doctor" died? I got hte impression it was a broad comment and could be any Doctor in the future.
 
So I'm really extra confused as to what exactly The Doctor did (originally, or another way, what he thought he did) to end the Time War now. He was going to make them burn and they all died, but they came back out of timelock very much not burned in Ten's last few episodes. And the Doctor was not surprised by this. So... huh?

Well, he was going to use The Moment. We never really learn what it is, other than that it is a weapon with a conscience, which is why it shows the War Doctor the Bad Wolf and has her guide him through the situation. The thing he would have done would be to use the Moment, which we can assume - based on dialogue from 9/10, would've made everybody burn in a massive explosion, indiscriminate to side or race. Because the War Doctor (and the Tenth) both forget the events, he regenerates into Eccleston and believes the last thing he can remember prior to being put into the multi-Doctor paradox - so that he was about to press the button and wipe out all the Time Lords and Daleks in one go. From his perspective he is about to pull the trigger, then wakes up as 9. He probably thinks the regeneration was caused by the weapon, too.

In The End of Time, it's prior to that. The Time Lords know that he has possession of The Moment - we see them discover the fact in this episode - and they panic. There's two sides of Gallifrey to us at this time - the military command and the high council. We saw the military command tonight. They comment that the high council have sealed themselves away in a closed panic session. That panic session is the one seen in The End of Time, with a crazed Rassillon making his play with the Master.

I'd guess events are linear and time still passes there after the War Doctor jumps through the portal the Bad Wolf/Moment opens. In that time, Gallifrey disappears and is replaced by Earth as part of Rassilon's plan. The Master and The Doctor reverse it, and Gallifrey is put back before the War Doctor, Ten and Eleven do their thing. They go to work and Gallifrey is saved, but lost in a pocket universe that presumably will take time to find.The interesting thing, though, is this means on that Gallifrey there's a mental, revived, maniacal Rassilon and a slightly reformed Master who actually did the right thing, alive and kicking! That could be interesting. It might well be the best thing this episode has given us, in fact.

Having seen it now and heard all Hurt's lines in action - plus him saying he took the job only 4 days before filming began(!), I do think that his role was written for Eccleston. It'd be exactly the same sans the regeneration, and the cliffhanger at the end of Series 7 would've been worded differently - like there's a time I've tried very hard to forget, rather than a face, or whatever. But this sounded so very much written for Eccleston, adjusted back later. Nothing wrong with that, but it's an additional complicating wrinkle!

My bet is this is set up for whatever state of the universe Moffat's successor wants. Also my hope that there is a succession plan.

Yeah, perhaps. It depends how long Moffat is staying for, I guess. He's doing Series 8, but what about 9? If both or more, I could see him bringing back the Time Lords later on. Doubt he'll do it in Capaldi's first series. That said - a well-known, correct spoiler hound teased the end of Smith's era and the final moments at Christmas by saying "Where do things go from here?!" -- so maybe there's yet another significant paradigm shift incoming, and maybe it involves the Time Lords. Don't think it does, though. If anything, given the revelations tonight - that the Eleventh Doctor is actually the twelfth (and remembering that the Tenth wasted a regeneration), it'll probably be related to the regen limit.

So, why is the 11th so mopey about his permanent death on Trenzalore if the 12th Doctor was there during the Time War? I enjoyed the special, but it served better a New Who celebration rather than a 50th.

I reckon the dialogue surrounding the tomb is misleading as to what it is. I have a feeling it might be 11's tomb, though that doesn't explain the dead TARDIS.
 
OH MY ACTUAL GOD THE FOOTAGE OF TOM BAKER ON THE PUNT
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Yep. When they were all like "let's call Tom" I figured it'd just go to an answering machine or him saying that he was busy filming for the 50th or something and then [I]that[/I] happened and absolutely slayed me.
 
OMg ..that was .... so entertaining

i need to calm down , i actually enjoyed this a little too much.

3 doctors !
I honnestly didn't see the thing with the wooden door coming
 

twobear

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Yep. When they were all like "let's call Tom" I figured it'd just go to an answering machine or him saying that he was busy filming for the 50th or something and then that happened and absolutely slayed me.

and then Russell T Davies at the end

that was absolutely fucking amazing oh my god
 
It's a hell of a thing that the special made me every bit as excited for the future of the show as it made me nostalgic for the past.

Mission accomplished, Moffat. :)
 
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