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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them
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The Elite
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We only get a snapshot of the Time War here. All of this things most likely took place over the years, centuries perhaps, that the Time War encompass. Time and space are incomprehensibly massive. More than enough space for all of those things to have happened.
APZonerunner
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The Cult of Skaro were put into the void ship long before the final days of the war as a contingency measure, so it wasn't them. The Emperor is too massive, that'd be a whole saucer. You could argue the one that goes zipping away half-exploded is the one from Dalek, though!
I wouldn't mind doing it, unless someone already volunteered or already has material for it ready.
So... what happened to the Moment?
Y'know, big scary doomsday device with a conscience... last seen not being used, and then... what? Not returned to Gallifrey, I'm pretty sure that's not something they'd have got around to in all the excitement of saving it. Left in that desert hut? Appropriated by Smith?
Y'know, big scary doomsday device with a conscience... last seen not being used, and then... what? Not returned to Gallifrey, I'm pretty sure that's not something they'd have got around to in all the excitement of saving it. Left in that desert hut? Appropriated by Smith?
The Elite
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They probably locked it away somewhere very, very safe. I trust the Doctor, all of them, to do the right thing. I don't need to see it explained on screen.
APZonerunner
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Did find the ordering they grouped some of the companions into in that after party montage cute. Susan, Sarah Jane & Rose were put together. There's the templates, now and forever. A fourth'll join them one day.
So I still don't get it. Now officially, we can presume that the War Doctor aged in real time since he's still 800 years old or whatever. So why doesn't Matt Smith age after 200 years?
Fake edit: Just found the "900 controversy" on the Tardis Index. Still confused, as haven't there been official records in New Who that state he's 900 or 1200 or whatever.
Fake edit: Just found the "900 controversy" on the Tardis Index. Still confused, as haven't there been official records in New Who that state he's 900 or 1200 or whatever.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, this is why I feel like they should have never even attempted it. In my head, the Time War was full of all sorts of craziness, with Time Lords and Daleks traveling back in time and trying to wipe each other out of existence, with reality altering stuff happening at every turn.
In Moffat's vision of Doctor Who, the Time War involved some Daleks shooting at Time Lords. It would have been far better to simply leave it be. Before it could be this amazing, imaginative thing which existed in the minds of fans. Now, it just looks like a scene out of the Star Wars prequels.
Moffat reusing his old ideas isn't really surprising; he does it all the time. At this point, I expect him to go to his greatest hits playbook for each episode. (Revealing that the Time War was just another 'everybody lives' scenario is also a very Moffat thing to do. No need to ever feel tension about someone possibly dying as long as Moffat is writing the show.)
I don't know about that. I think Jo was far more of a 'template companion' than Susan was.
APZonerunner
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Basically, RTD felt 900 years old sounded about right for the 2005 reboot, but that contradicted some lines in the very later days of old Who. He chose to ignore it. That said, even old Who has contradictions on his age all over the place. As soon as they hit the third or fourth Doctor anything regarding his age goes down the toilet, and they've done well to keep it consistent since 05.
Jo's wonderful, but she's just the tee-up for what Liz would go on to do with Sarah, really.
We didn't see the whole Time War. All we saw was the Fall of Arcadia. There's nothing to say that other stuff didn't happen and nothing to stop you from keeping that image in your imagination.
EndcatOmega
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I'm kinda surprised by how enjoyable that was. Bored by the first half of the last series enough to skip the entire second half save the mediocre Gaiman episode, but this was really good. Just the right level of fanservice (though could've done without the Time War being shown on screen, as people have said), and the characterization of the War Doctor was superb.
Will spot a lot more flaws later, but the best TV multi-doctors story by far and an excellent anniversary celebration. Would probably still be improved by half an hour of the Curator ranting at the camera.
Will spot a lot more flaws later, but the best TV multi-doctors story by far and an excellent anniversary celebration. Would probably still be improved by half an hour of the Curator ranting at the camera.
Lynd7
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And now his age doesn't matter at all. He admitted he has no idea really.
Fred Norris
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On the board Clara is erasing in the first scene, is "NO MORE TIME..."
The Elite
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Maybe wait until the 50th discussion dies down a bit.
Monday? That will be a month until the episode airs.
Sounds about right.
infiniteloop
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Make sure you put the full plot in the OP without spoiler text.
KibblesBits
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Great advice. Also, don't check the reserve thread to see if anyone has plans to create it.
Fred Norris
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Rewatching, the actress playing Queen Elizabeth...she sucks. Annoying too.
The Elite
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After the Christmas Special my next moment of Who excitement will be seeing set shots of Capaldi in his outfit.
Then I am finally going to dig into the Eight Doctor's audio adventures.
I'm actually not thinking of it from the point of view of a device - I'm thinking it from the point of view of a *character*. Not necessarily Billie, either; I assume the interface doesn't necessarily have to pick the same character each time.
That's my point, really - as a slightly mischevious but powerful entity with a conscience - I might be interested in seeing it return, if they can find a use for it.
The Elite
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I loved her. I could build a summer home between her breasts.
Eh, kinda annoying but whatever. Nothing too bad.
No need to be snarky about it.
Tell me if I should leave it and I'll leave it until a later time or let someone else do it.
The Elite
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I like that the consciousness that the Moment has formed actively tries to dissuade the user from activating it. Kind of a "are you positive you want to commit genocide" defensive mechanism. Clever.
I get the impression it doesn't want to be used.
Edit: I wonder if SNL will do a Doctor Who skit tonight. Maybe they'll mix Doctor Who and Rob Ford. Between that and Ron Burgundy talking about both Ford and Who this week, it feels like the entire universe exists to serve my immediate interests. I like that.
The Elite
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Dalek Aging Gun. NEXT!
Exterminieren
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Did you zone out during the sequence that was exactly what you describe, or what?
Well the War Doctor was fighting in the time war, which I'm sure was highly stressful and being in high stress jobs often ages people much faster then normal (just look at before and after pictures of Presidents). I don't find it hard to believe that the stress of the war caused the War Doctor to age much faster then his other incarnations.
So ...
Loved the ep and the theories here. Here's a question (based on consequences)
What are the odds that
(Spoiler based on the series 7 arc and the 50th revelation).
Loved the ep and the theories here. Here's a question (based on consequences)
What are the odds that
the Doctor dies on Trenzalore because of, or at the hands of someone he saved by virtue of not ending the Time War in the way we originally thought he did?
(Spoiler based on the series 7 arc and the 50th revelation).
Trenzalore specifically refers to the fall of the 11th, which is why he was/is dreading having to go there. I guess you could give the reason they gave at the end of the 50th, which is that the younger ones cannot remember meeting the older due to the time streams crossing or whatever. However, if they do it like that then we need to find out how the 12th knew he needed to be there, considering the 11th would only remember the other 11. I hope in the next season they explain what the 12th was doing there. Either way, his brief cameo he looked intense as hell and I am really looking forward to seeing him in action.
No, they specifically mention that to the outside observer it would look like everything was wiped out in one fell swoop. Plus the only Daleks who survived slipped out way before it ended right? They had to have, so they had no idea what happened other than everything died.
The Elite
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Christmas Special:
It does sound like the Doctor will die and not regenerate at Trenzalore. The final scene between Tennant and Smith went out of its way to emphasize that it's not the place where the Doctor will regenerate, it's the place that he will die and it is his grave site. It's just as big a deal for Ten as it is for Eleven. I'm still convinced the episode will end with no regeneration.
As for it being a result of not ending the Time War, that remains to be seen. I think it would be a little too soon to explore the repercussions of that.
As for it being a result of not ending the Time War, that remains to be seen. I think it would be a little too soon to explore the repercussions of that.
APZonerunner
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Yeah, but how do you bury a regenerated body? Unless the Doctor already knows he's used his regeneration energy, but it he does, why did he try to regenerate in Let's Kill Hitler?
DiipuSurotu
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Hell, maybe the Moment isn't even a weapon at all and showing you an alternative to total destruction was its normal function all along.
firehawk12
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As a fan of the Baker era, I was hoping for more fan service for the old Doctors... since, well, I have no idea who any of these new guys are.
But hey, I'm mostly back because of Malcolm Tucker, so I guess I'm ready for the new series. lol
But hey, I'm mostly back because of Malcolm Tucker, so I guess I'm ready for the new series. lol
Future Foundation
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Here's a higher res version of the BBC's new Twelve Doctors image.
As much as I liked the episode and thought it was a nice way to celebrate the show, it's a shame that one of my lasting impressions of the special is and (for a while I imagine) will be "fuck Eccleston fuck Eccleston fuck Eccleston." Wish he would just get the hell over whatever pissed him off *eight years* ago.
The Elite
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It's especially disappointog considering everyone else was involved in the 50th celebrations on some capacity.
Gully State
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Same...just imagining how much more epic some of the scenes could've been with Eccleston actually in it just pisses me off. After Baker, he is my favorite Doctor.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Just came two hours ago from the movie theater. What a fantastic experience. I love discoveribg how many fans and how much love has the show also in spain.
And of course the episode was fantastic, nerdgams on those final moments.
I hope they upload somewhere the strax theater intro and the 3 doctors explaining 3d, because that was incredibly funny and I hope it doesnt get lost in time.
Also as much as i love eccleston's doctor... Fuck eccleston.
And of course the episode was fantastic, nerdgams on those final moments.
I hope they upload somewhere the strax theater intro and the 3 doctors explaining 3d, because that was incredibly funny and I hope it doesnt get lost in time.
Also as much as i love eccleston's doctor... Fuck eccleston.
DrForester
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WAIT GUYS. WHAT IF ECCLESTON SHOWS UP IN THE THEATRR VIEWING IN THE US ON MONDAY!? Like, just a few more seconds of regeneration and BOOM. Actual Eccleston.
While I commend the show for working around Eccleston, I do feel they gave fans a giant cock tease with the regeneration close up. They should of just had a long shot with Hurt going all orange. It was just such a disappointment and that shot should have been cut all together.
I would like to know if Eccleston was asked to be in the whole show, or just for the regeneration.
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