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Donkey Kong Country Returns |OT| Retro Studios Has Done It Again!
- Thread starter Tricky I Shadow
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Well, the good thing about puzzle pieces is you can sacrifice yourself to get one and not worry about it again as long as you get to the end of the level eventually. It was the only way I could get those out of the way pieces in that level.AniHawk said:
It took me forever to get the O in that level with the Billy Mitchell Monkey entrance because I couldn't time the high jump off the stilt bird's head.Herbspicesoy said:
Now I have all but two K levels. (One because I haven't finished world 8 yet.)
BTW, I am so glad they used the silhouette style in three levels. It's so good and the levels feel so peaceful and stylistic.
slaughterking
Member
You don't have to shake both controllers. A short flick of the nunchuck (while moving) is enough to roll.
You guys have problems bouncing?
Here's some tips and how it works:
- Unlike Mario when you can press and hold the jump button once and then bounce on multiple ennemis, here you need to press the button before EACH ennemi.
- The timing for boucing on the ennemis is not the same timing as the one for bouncing on things. (you know, like tires and other physical stuff like that). The window time for the ennemies is easy, just press and hold the button before landing on them. However, with the tires and stuff, you need to press right before touching it. The window is much smaller than for the ennemies.
Here's some tips and how it works:
- Unlike Mario when you can press and hold the jump button once and then bounce on multiple ennemis, here you need to press the button before EACH ennemi.
- The timing for boucing on the ennemis is not the same timing as the one for bouncing on things. (you know, like tires and other physical stuff like that). The window time for the ennemies is easy, just press and hold the button before landing on them. However, with the tires and stuff, you need to press right before touching it. The window is much smaller than for the ennemies.
I totally got the feeling ''this is awesome'' when I played level 1-2 King of Cling.
Then I got to 1-5 Canopy Cannons, freaking amazing level design.
Then I got to 1-5 Canopy Cannons, freaking amazing level design.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I was really starting to wonder why everyone is talking about the difficulty of this game. Sure, it's no Epic Yarn (lol) and I'll even give you the pleasure of knowing that going through this game is tougher then say.... NSMB Wii, but DKCR is nothing to totally throw the controller at the screen about.
Of course that was until I started playing the Special K levels. WOW... for the first of 8.... that was pretty darn tough. Must of died over 15 times. But it didn't feel cheap at all... just pure difficult platforming fun.
Anyways, amazing game! Bravo Retro! You've revived another Nintendo francise better then even Nintendo did it (Donkey Kong Country Returns > Donkey Kong Jungle Beat ; Metroid Prime >>> Metroid: Other M)!
Not yet sure though if it is better then NSMB Wii (Multi-Player NSMB is out-of-this-world), but I could easily see me caring about collecting all the KONG letters and beating all the SK levels on DKCR much more then I did with NSMB Wii.
Of course that was until I started playing the Special K levels. WOW... for the first of 8.... that was pretty darn tough. Must of died over 15 times. But it didn't feel cheap at all... just pure difficult platforming fun.
Anyways, amazing game! Bravo Retro! You've revived another Nintendo francise better then even Nintendo did it (Donkey Kong Country Returns > Donkey Kong Jungle Beat ; Metroid Prime >>> Metroid: Other M)!
Not yet sure though if it is better then NSMB Wii (Multi-Player NSMB is out-of-this-world), but I could easily see me caring about collecting all the KONG letters and beating all the SK levels on DKCR much more then I did with NSMB Wii.
Iwata Asks on this game
http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/donkey-kong-country-returns/vol1_page1.jsp
Very interesting read about how they made the game and how it finally came together just after E3. Seems like there was a lot of pressure on the team. Also Tanabe once went to the really nice offices in Twycross and Iwata loves the music of DKC so he has it on his iPod. They also talk about the Retro Studios 'incident' briefly.
http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/donkey-kong-country-returns/vol1_page1.jsp
Very interesting read about how they made the game and how it finally came together just after E3. Seems like there was a lot of pressure on the team. Also Tanabe once went to the really nice offices in Twycross and Iwata loves the music of DKC so he has it on his iPod. They also talk about the Retro Studios 'incident' briefly.
Wikan has been at retro since the start, Tom Ivey and Kynan Pearson were brought in to work on Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. They moved up the ladder at Retro and had to replace the likes of design director Mark Pacini, art director Todd Keller, and principle technology engineer Jack Mathews. It was never quite clear why they left but one of them posted a message on some forum saying: "If you want creative freedom don't work for Nintendo" or something like that but it was removed shortly after the news went live.TheOddOne said:
Went digging around on the net and found out they opened up a new studio: armaturestudio.[Nintex] said:
Seems they have a deal with EA.
Got the game today as an early present to myself
So far I like it, but I kinda had to force myself to like it in the beginning because it strays from away from the DKC world so much and I kinda had that mindset before I dove into it. I actually think for this reason they shouldn't have kept some of the music (I'm talking about the level 2 music) pretty much intact because the game itself doesn't shine in the way DKC did (the whole atmospheric feel) and kinda feels outta place. Looking at it from a whole new game POV however it is classic. Feels like a straight up 2D platformer from today. The whole LBP style grab designing is also tight. Rolling is still a bit questionable but I got used to it, also glad they kept roll-jump combo in with the original as this was easily one of the best points in the classics. And I also kinda dislike how they downplayed Diddy :lol
So far I like it, but I kinda had to force myself to like it in the beginning because it strays from away from the DKC world so much and I kinda had that mindset before I dove into it. I actually think for this reason they shouldn't have kept some of the music (I'm talking about the level 2 music) pretty much intact because the game itself doesn't shine in the way DKC did (the whole atmospheric feel) and kinda feels outta place. Looking at it from a whole new game POV however it is classic. Feels like a straight up 2D platformer from today. The whole LBP style grab designing is also tight. Rolling is still a bit questionable but I got used to it, also glad they kept roll-jump combo in with the original as this was easily one of the best points in the classics. And I also kinda dislike how they downplayed Diddy :lol
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I'm up to the Cliffs and it continues to blow me away....a platformer has never been this alive! The amount of detail and care that went into this is staggering!
The feel and weight of Donkey Kong is absolute perfection! The game gives you so many reasons to love it! Also, this easily has the best graphics on the Wii!
The feel and weight of Donkey Kong is absolute perfection! The game gives you so many reasons to love it! Also, this easily has the best graphics on the Wii!
TheOddOne said:
Posted? Iwata Asks
http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/donkey-kong-country-returns/vol1_page1.jsp
http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/donkey-kong-country-returns/vol1_page1.jsp
Just uploaded Shiny Gold Medal runs of 6-7, 6-8 and 6-K for those interested!
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeFenix
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeFenix
Cow Mengde
Banned
This is like the first time Iwata interviews people who aren't Japanese, isn't it? Pretty cool.
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Deleted member 30609
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he interviews Spector(er?) back at E3Cow Mengde said:
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Tenbatsu said:
Yeah, it was posted. It deserves to be posted again though!
Ranger X said:
This is the problem that you seemed to have missed. People are saying if you do this the jet pack screws up their timing. For me I have no problems with it at all to be honest, the only problems I have are my controllers not always responding.
ezekial45 said:
This is split in here, but honestly I don't even see it as close. It's basically the same thing, only it sounds cheaper for some reason. Don't get me wrong I still like it alot, because it's basically the originals music, it's just not as good. I do really like the msic on the special levels with the different filters on, it's really relaxed, fits the atmosphere.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Rez said:
Hmm, I missed that one.
Anyway, very interesting to find out about people quitting Retro. Even without these people, they turned out an amazing game. It's like there's an eternal life force of talent in there that never depletes even as old ones leave.
The Hermit
Member
I really fucking hate the controls in this game.
Playing the ultra responsive Super Meat Boy doesn't help at all.
I want to like DKCR, why is this so dificult?
Playing the ultra responsive Super Meat Boy doesn't help at all.
I want to like DKCR, why is this so dificult?
_Alkaline_
Member
Baiano19 said:I really fucking hate the controls in this game.
Playing the ultra responsive Super Meat Boy doesn't help at all.
I want to like DKCR, why is this so dificult?
The controls are fine. What issues are you having?
Has anyone else noticed this?
The green jumping frogs, they're not hopping because they feel like it. If you look closely, you can see a fly buzzing around them. Also look at the frog's eyes as they stare it down. The frog is simply trying to jump and eat the fly. Not sure if it was obvious or not.
The green jumping frogs, they're not hopping because they feel like it. If you look closely, you can see a fly buzzing around them. Also look at the frog's eyes as they stare it down. The frog is simply trying to jump and eat the fly. Not sure if it was obvious or not.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
There's been a number of comparisons to Super Meat Boy at this point and its "super perfect controls", but one man's ceiling is another man's floor. SMB has great controls - for what it tries to do. That includes sticky, mushy wall jumping because your character literally slurps along surfaces. It has a significant learning curve and is frustrating until you figure out how to play "correctly".
Meanwhile, it seems some folks aren't giving DKCR the same leniency or benefit of a doubt, in learning how it plays. Instant revolt at "teh waggle" or now the Jetpack Issue.
Meanwhile, it seems some folks aren't giving DKCR the same leniency or benefit of a doubt, in learning how it plays. Instant revolt at "teh waggle" or now the Jetpack Issue.
Kyleripman
Member
That's a great chart about rolling except the bit about using the nunchuk. I love the horizontal remote!
Kaijima said:
What learning curve? The controls are as perfect as platforming controls get - I immediately understood and grasped the mechanics before the end of the third stage. By the end of the first WORLD, I was hitting top 100 times every time. I don't think anyone anywhere has ever said anything about but effusive praise for them.
It's difficult, but not because there's a big steep control learning curve. Because the levels are pure platforming brilliance, where challenge comes not in trial and error but simply exploiting your skill set to the tightest possible measure.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Vanille said:
Actually, at the risk of enraging Team Anti-Waggle, I was in this conversation with an offline friend a couple of days ago, and we realized this:
Using the nunchuk+wiimote scheme (which for shortness I'll call the Nunchuk scheme), your Wiimote fingers never leave the jump and grab buttons. Rolling doesn't require shifting fingers, but a wrist snap. Depending on your preferences, I've come to feel this is not a "convoluted" scheme, but a more efficient one. There's never any reflex finger confusion - period. The wrist snap, as with the spin in Mario Galaxy, can (and does, I would argue, if you don't struggle against it every step of the way) become entirely subconscious.
So, no, I can't agree that "teh waggle" is stupid, pointless, and shouldn't be there. Given that a large number of people have no problem with it, and more critically, a large number are ripping the game to shreds in time attack and having zero issue with a muscle memory gesture interface as it is used here, I'm kinda forced to remain skeptical of people who throw their hands up and assert the waggle is horrible, wrong, and breaks the game.
But this argument has been going on for the last four years, since day 1 with the Wii. Certain people will never accept that something like a wrist snap could or should replace a button press, even if, ironically, there's a legitimate possibility /that might work better/ depending on the application.
Bear in mind, I fully support multiple control configurations and there's no reason CC support shouldn't have been there for people who want everything on buttons, regardless of whether that's a better or worse way to play the game.
It's just a bit irritating that this game is being used as a cross bearer for "oh, save us from the waggle!", and that some people seem to be doing their best to convince themselves to hate perhaps the best 2D platformer since Yoshi's Island, over an issue blown out of proportion.