TheSpaceBetween
Member
Its funny because I always see this shit with platformers. Tropical Freeze and 3D World are level packs but Call of Duty 15 and Assassins Creed 10 are brand new games.
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Its funny because I always see this shit with platformers. Tropical Freeze and 3D World are level packs but Call of Duty 15 and Assassins Creed 10 are brand new games.
Nocturnowl
Member
Platformers don't have those plots elements to ever so sightly differentiate each entry.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
TF is closer to Returns than 3D World is to 3D Land, also I chose these words to differentiate different kinds of sequels. DKCR also was a sequel to DKC3, but mechanically it totally reinvented the series, whereas TF really is a direct continuation of Returns, reusing the base gameplay almost unchanged.
It's really funny that you are discussing this as a response on something that I said, because I am a really big platformer fan and would gladly take 10 level packs to DKCR over 10 absolutely unique first person shooters. Also, I would call CoD-sequels level packs, too.
Doesn't matter. It's a sequel.
We need to get away from this attitude that if sequel isn't Majora's Mask levels of different then we refer to it as a level pack.
There's a plot in CoD games?
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Wow, that's the best review of the game yet. Totally subscribing to that channel. Thanks for posting!
I'm going to have to agree with the Gamespot review. DK just doesn't land with the firm-footedness I've come to expect from Nintendo mascots.
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Anyways, I think there are some legitimate complaints that could be used to take some points off: load times are too long, multiplayer isn't that great (if you include it, make sure it's good), perhaps too conservative a sequel despite the fact DKCR was its only predecessor and that game was amazing.
But, I think it's also getting the Wii U/Nintendo referendum treatment from some places.
what does that even mean?
Anyways, I think there are some legitimate complaints that could be used to take some points off: load times are too long, multiplayer isn't that great (if you include it, make sure it's good), perhaps too conservative a sequel despite the fact DKCR was its only predecessor and that game was amazing.
But, I think it's also getting the Wii U/Nintendo referendum treatment from some places.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I've watched a lot of footage now, and I gotta say that the levels really don't seem too varied artistically. While there some different islands with different looks, it all looks more or less the same.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
And exactly why do we need to do that? Is there some huge dishonor in being a set of fantastic new levels to a great game with well-designed mechanics? My two most wanted games going into 2014 were DKCTF and Yoshi's Island 3. Two games I'd describe as sequels of the "level pack" type.
That's called design coherence.
Of course! Kill the bad guy and save the world.
ITT:
DKC2 and DKC3 are level packs for DKC
People have been calling new CoD games level packs for like the past 6 years now.
Remember, no Russian
Wii U referendum.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
They are, and DKC2 is a vastly superior game compared to its predecessor, so I don't see a problem in that.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I didn't mean you specifically. I just get really annoyed at the genre bias against 2D platformers.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I'd rather see Retro try something new. Not that I don't want another DKC, but Nintendo is in dire need of major new IP.
We are witnessing the birth of a new game genre, the Level Pack type. Back in my day they were called sequels.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
I guess you can write about whatever you want in a review, but this feels like its outside the scope of a game review. What on earth does a console's long-term prospects have to do with a specific game?
I'm not one to complain about reviews but I found this line hilarious:
Nordic forests and African savannah are truly DKC staples right?
In any case, these arguments all come down to one thing. What's the point of game reviews? To me, a game review should just tell me if a game is fun or not, but it seems that most reviewers try to make reviews some sort of analysis of the game's "artistic" merits, so we end up with some weird scores.
Nordic forests and African savannah are truly DKC staples right?
In any case, these arguments all come down to one thing. What's the point of game reviews? To me, a game review should just tell me if a game is fun or not, but it seems that most reviewers try to make reviews some sort of analysis of the game's "artistic" merits, so we end up with some weird scores.
Yes, there is. That phrase will inherently turn some people off of a game that they may have otherwise played and loved. It's not a legitimate criticism of the game, yet people see it that way. It takes a game that is better than its predecessor and makes it seem worse, or less worth your time. And honestly, it's a phrase that I mainly really see applied to Nintendo games, and while some people complain about how derivative CoD has become, I don't see anyone complaining that a game like Dark Souls 2 is just a level pack.
And it's honestly not a legitimate criticism, and it's disrespectful to all the hard work the developers put into the game.
It is a family channel but it appeals to me especially since I am a soon to be dad.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I know. For fuck's sake. Leave this bullshit out of your review people. If you want to discuss Nintendo's larger issues that's fine but it has nothing to do with reviewing TF.
wackiest logic ever
Yo dude, giant beer steins and and windmills are classic DKC.
I love games journalism. Simultaneously reviewing the game, the projected sales of the game, and the affect the game will have on the platform's install base. Ugh.
It's moment like these where I wish we still had GamePro-style reviews. Because I wish reviewers remembered that the important points for a review are, as it has always been for games (for me, anyway): Graphics, Sound, Control, Fun Factor, and Challenge. But, hey, we should probably dock some points for "- Won't save the Wii U".
It's moment like these where I wish we still had GamePro-style reviews. Because I wish reviewers remembered that the important points for a review are, as it has always been for games (for me, anyway): Graphics, Sound, Control, Fun Factor, and Challenge. But, hey, we should probably dock some points for "- Won't save the Wii U".
I typed a response to that poster but I deleted it, yours is more forum friendly.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
But it isn't a criticism. At least I don't use it as a point of criticism. It's just explaining that the game plays extremely similar and it's mainly a new set of levels for the old mechanical "framework". And of course, this isn't a genre either as someone wrote above. It's just one kind of sequel. Other games might be complete reinventions of the series (see: Super Mario 64) or sequels changing, but not overthrowing the gameplay mechanics of its predecessor (compare Sonic Colours to Unleashed for example). When do you think is the name "level pack" OK? Only if it is dlc like in NSLU's case?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
all those 10s and 9s
those don't matter, only the 7 and below.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I loved this comment by "PurpleHaizu" on the Eurogamer review. (No, I didn't write it.)
bequietdrive
Member
I don't get why people are bitching about that quote, its still a good review - and their criticism is an apt one. As that IS what Nintendo's current problem is. Nothing wrong with addressing the state of Nintendo in a Nintendo review.
I think the phrase "level pack" is ok when the developers actually design a level pack. Those Pikmin 3 dlc missions? Level packs. Tropical Freeze? Sequel. Level packs are an actual thing. They are new levels added to an old game. Not some phrase used to describe sequels.
We never used to describe sequels this way, and I think the term is getting out of hand. It is inherently derogatory, and makes people look down on the game even though it may be of even higher quality to its predecessor.
NomComms review (9.6)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99_qGgXGAFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99_qGgXGAFk
Barry Burton
Member
That's what I was thinking.
I'm down with "more of the same", if it's anywhere near as good as Returns was.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Sorry, but thats just stupid. Level Packs are something totally different so you can't call a sequel that.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Maybe they aren't consistent, but that quote nicely sums up what I feared about this game from the moment it was announced. Seems like DCK:TF is really well done game, but I'm not excited to play it.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Well, DKCR was less design coherent then and I liked that better.
Agent Unknown
Member
Past Mii said:
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
You can't.
Actually you can, but only after getting 100%.
But only in hard mode right?