Oh hey, don't you think E1M1 looks like a prototype Plasma Rifle?
Oh wow. Can't unsee!
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DOOM Franchise Community Thread: That's one doomed space marine!
- Thread starter Raptomex
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Oh wow. Can't unsee!
Ragnarok
Member
I think Doom is still a big enough name to warrant a AAA designation. Is it going to define the entire genre like the first game? no. But make sure the gunplay is tight and the set pieces are interesting (and how could you not make Hell set pieces interesting?). I think one way to stand out from the crowd, would be an amazing damage system. Limbs flying off dynamically. Eviscerations. Dynamic wounds. Have the body parts/corpses stick around like they used to. Having them dissolve was just so disappointing in DOOM 3. Not just the same chainsaw animation over and over ala Gears. I think stuff like that would really set it apart. Go back to its roots and try to be the most brutal game around.
mmmm next gen Hell particle effects sound nice. Super disappointing Carmack isn't involved though. That's definitely troubling.
mmmm next gen Hell particle effects sound nice. Super disappointing Carmack isn't involved though. That's definitely troubling.
Raptomex
Member
There's a mod to keep bodies on the ground in D3. But I think the one for RoE is outdated.
TUROK
Member
Cyberdreams was so fucking cool. I softmodded my PSP years back and got Doom on it, and I'd play Cyberdreams whenever I had any downtime at work or school or whatever. It was painfully difficult at times, but the sense of accomplishment that came with completing it was unparalleled.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Giving up on ZanZan and Void. Either my using GZDoom's fucking with parts of either WAD or they're designed to trap me in fail states without warning. It's like the usual complaints about weird situations or tough platforming (a virtuous thing for Void to use) don't even matter; it's all about totally random crap like a Cyberdemon falling out of the sky while I'm immobile for no apparent reason!
One cool thing someone made at /vr/: a nifty mod enabling pistol starts with related console variables. Pistol start's aren't actually implemented into the ZDoom family, so this is going in my global auto-load pile (instructions contained in .wad code).
One cool thing someone made at /vr/: a nifty mod enabling pistol starts with related console variables. Pistol start's aren't actually implemented into the ZDoom family, so this is going in my global auto-load pile (instructions contained in .wad code).
Shadow Hog
Member
I believe Void made assumptions about Heretic/ZDoom's item bobbling code that were true at the time, but no longer are - namely, that the actual object was being moved around as it bobbled, as opposed to just where it was being rendered. At the time, that was true, so you could position things just high enough that you could only grab it from below as it was at the nadir of its bobble. That is no longer true - the object's collision data remains stationary now, while its sprite bobbles around - and the objects in question are now too high to reach at all.
Dunno if that's what's holding you back, I just recall hearing about it and felt like relating it.
Dunno if that's what's holding you back, I just recall hearing about it and felt like relating it.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
It doesn't seem as though my situation in Void is broken because of this, since the skybox I see prior to activating the drop doesn't show anything that ought to bob down, but good notice.
Raptomex
Member
It is done. I have completed my first map. I'm just calling it "Raptomap" since it's really just a test of what I can do. Doom 2 required.
Download
Originally I didn't have a theme planned or anything really coherent. I was just going to do whatever and see what I can accomplish. However, I ended up having more ideas of a tech base.
Please test it out and give feedback. It's a small map. It feels like more of a 1st level type of map to me.
I learned that sectors are smaller than they appear. When in visual mode and even in-game, sector's I've created are not as big as I thought. Good to know for the future. But I also learned Doom Builder is extremely user friendly and nothing about it really ruined my experiences with it so far. Just being able to complete this was pretty cool. I have some ideas for a megawad but I'll have to learn to create some new textures and stuff and of course learn some new stuff. The next map I create I want to focus on more detail.
EDIT: Thanks to someone on Doomworld I've just been informed the secret is visible on the map screen. I didn't realize how to hide the lines. Oh, well. I learned something today. So that's good to know.
EDIT 2: I just played through this again via Zandronum and didn't see the secret in the map screen until I discovered it in-game. Maybe it depends on the source port?
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Originally I didn't have a theme planned or anything really coherent. I was just going to do whatever and see what I can accomplish. However, I ended up having more ideas of a tech base.
Please test it out and give feedback. It's a small map. It feels like more of a 1st level type of map to me.
I learned that sectors are smaller than they appear. When in visual mode and even in-game, sector's I've created are not as big as I thought. Good to know for the future. But I also learned Doom Builder is extremely user friendly and nothing about it really ruined my experiences with it so far. Just being able to complete this was pretty cool. I have some ideas for a megawad but I'll have to learn to create some new textures and stuff and of course learn some new stuff. The next map I create I want to focus on more detail.
EDIT: Thanks to someone on Doomworld I've just been informed the secret is visible on the map screen. I didn't realize how to hide the lines. Oh, well. I learned something today. So that's good to know.
EDIT 2: I just played through this again via Zandronum and didn't see the secret in the map screen until I discovered it in-game. Maybe it depends on the source port?
Rapto i'm going to have Tarnsman try out your map or see if I can get him to
http://www.twitch.tv/tarnsmandw
http://www.twitch.tv/tarnsmandw
Raptomex
Member
Wow that was cool. Thanks.
Raptomex
Member
I have some ideas. It will take me a while and I have to learn a few more things like texture creation and stuff. But I may start it in the near future.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I realize that this is a Doom community thread, but I was wondering if there are new engines for Quake 3 Arena.
For example:
I know that Quake has the Darkplaces engine which is GREAT.
Quake 2 has q2 Xp or KMquake 2
Is there such a MOD for Quake 3 Arena? I can't find one.
For example:
I know that Quake has the Darkplaces engine which is GREAT.
Quake 2 has q2 Xp or KMquake 2
Is there such a MOD for Quake 3 Arena? I can't find one.
Raptomex
Member
I never was a Quake guy but I think you can play it for free in your browser now. Quake Live I think. It might not be the answer to your question but it's worth noting. It's a remake or a successor or something.
http://www.quakelive.com/
By all means don't rush it out. You've got potential.
TUROK
Member
What's the difference between the PSX and PC weapon sprites?
eh mostly just pixelation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NukikCv-aI
still you can tell the difference
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Thats really the only one?
I am just surprised that with all the efforts that have been put into Doom, Quake and Quake 2 as well Doom 3 that Quake 3 Arena hasn't had a more modernized engine.
http://ioquake3.org/ - but this kind of engine modifications are not very popular since Q3 is a multiplayer game that aged well enough and custom clients tend to break the online compatibility, also there's Quake Live and that's its own thing entirely.
anyway, i know this is a Doom thread, but i recommend anyone to try this Quake3 puzzle map: http://www.simonoc.com/pages/design/sp/moteof.htm
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My interest in playing it was more for nostalgia using bots and not competitive online.
In my previous posts I loved how all those old games have gotten modern facelifts to be more playable on modern PCs.
Having native widescreen support is important to me.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
?? The PSX TC has a configuration tool that lets you choose to use PSX weapon sprites (among other stuff, like monster/decoration sprites, PC monster/weapon speed etc.)
KittenMaster
Member
For whatever reason I want to try my hand at making textures then get bored of doing so quickly.
Raptomex
Member
You want to do it and get bored?
KittenMaster
Member
I'm really jumpy and inconsistent when it comes to my activities.
Raptomex
Member
But just to clarify, you want to get bored doing it?
KittenMaster
Member
Sure, that at least implies I've tried
no, I don't want to get bored, just saying I probably will. I am flawed.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Pleased to see that Odamex supports OSX; we should try a DM with it since it's much closer to classic Doom deathmatch parameters than Zandronum.
Raptomex
Member
So am I. I just thought it was funny. I want to learn to make them as well. Don't know if Photoshop knowledge is a plus but I have it so hopefully I can use it.
To anyone who knows, I assume it's possible to create maps in Doom Builder and import it to SLADE for texture and skybox editing, correct?
KittenMaster
Member
Made my first texture. It was a lot easier getting something working in DOOM than I thought.
Wanted to make something Tech Basey because I've had my quota of cobblestone or whatever else stone for now.
Tried to combat the flatness a bit.
Tiles vertically too (though clearly not intended to be used that way.)
Wanted to make something Tech Basey because I've had my quota of cobblestone or whatever else stone for now.
Tried to combat the flatness a bit.
Tiles vertically too (though clearly not intended to be used that way.)
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
What the hell ever happened to Doom IV?
Wasn't this supposed to be out by now?
Wasn't this supposed to be out by now?
Doom 4 was announced almost six years ago now but it's never had a release date, however pre-ordering Wolf14, which releases in May, gets you beta access, so there's a good chance that'll kick off in time for QuakeCon in July.
Here's an article Kotaku published on the game's reportedly troubled development.
So.
I did a playthrough of Ultimate Doom today on the PSX total conversion.
And here it is.
in all it's original weapon sprites glory, even playstation intro at the start
I did a playthrough of Ultimate Doom today on the PSX total conversion.
And here it is.
in all it's original weapon sprites glory, even playstation intro at the start
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Good for you for turning off texture filtering. (Antialiasing) I will never understand people who keep that turned on in games with low resolution images. It makes them look horrible. Especially in a game like DOOM or its children. Every day I curse Nintendo for introducing the gaming world to the concept of texture smoothing. (I remember it being a huge bullet point on the N64.)
I'm really amazed at how much work they put into that. It's pretty much a 1:1 port nowadays, I remember following the ZDoom thread way back and it's interesting to see how far its come (they hadn't even started Final Doom PSX then I believe).
KittenMaster
Member
Texture filtering for DOOM 64 EX (or TC) at 320x200 (or whatever resolution the Nintendo 64 used) is mandatory for the purist experience though.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Nope. I won't do it. I will not look at blurry sprites and walls. I will play DOOM 64 the same way I play DOOM 1 and DOOM 2 at full resolution of my screen. If I want a purist experience I will play it on my N64. lol
I don't think I adjusted any settings so it's off by default I guess.
It's pretty damn true to the PSX version. Best way to play unless you do prefer the controller in which case they've got controller enabled too I think. It's a amazing TC next to Doom 64 EX.
So this is pretty much the map layout
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Sony_PlayStation#Levels
Doom Wiki said:
Doom Wiki said:
Hi there, new to Neogaf, long standing Doom community member. Did anybody play the deathmatch WADs Execution (exec.wad) and Decamatch (deca.wad and deca2.wad)? I was in the map making team that released these back in 1997-1999 or so. One of the map authors is also the author of Chocolate Doom.
Personally I always used Deep97 for all my map making, and NWT for replacing resources. Doom supports launching multiple PWADs so it's much easier keeping a map file PWAD separate from your extra/replaces resources right up until you merge them all together in your final release.
Anyhoo. I've got a bunch of unfinished levels from 2005 that I'd like to complete and release one day as part of another map pack with other members. Would there be any interest from other people in this at all?
Personally I always used Deep97 for all my map making, and NWT for replacing resources. Doom supports launching multiple PWADs so it's much easier keeping a map file PWAD separate from your extra/replaces resources right up until you merge them all together in your final release.
Anyhoo. I've got a bunch of unfinished levels from 2005 that I'd like to complete and release one day as part of another map pack with other members. Would there be any interest from other people in this at all?
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Definitely interested. You ever thought of contacting the original authors and getting the old DM WADs up on /idgames? That would get them more exposure, though I'm mostly just curious about the idea.
Really great texturing, KM. It looks organic yet tech-y enough to work for many themes.
Really great texturing, KM. It looks organic yet tech-y enough to work for many themes.
Raptomex
Member
Awesome. What did you use to make them? Did you import the texture into XWE, SLADE, or Doom Builder?
Last night I successfully swapped out the skybox in my map. I made a test skybox from an image I found and got it in there as well. Felt good.
KittenMaster
Member
I made it using Krita + Graphics Gale and used SLADE to make it a .wad file. Imported the .wad into DOOM Builder to make a quick level.
Raptomex
Member
I wish I could import the raw image file into doom builder. If you can, I don't know how. In slade did you just start a new WAD archive, import the image then just save the wad?
KittenMaster
Member
You have to right click the image after import and click "add to TEXTUREx" or whatever the option was, which also adds it to the patch table.
AgentOtaku
Member
Guess i'll hop in here 
Gonna play through Ep1 of OG DooM this weekend with coworker via PS3.
Somethings are just timeless you know....
Gonna play through Ep1 of OG DooM this weekend with coworker via PS3.
Somethings are just timeless you know....
Raptomex
Member
In Doom Builder or in SLADE?
KittenMaster
Member
SLADE.
Shadow Hog
Member
If you're targetting ZDoom, you also get to use the TEXTURES lump, which is entirely text-based and doesn't require the PATCHES lump at all. (Not compatible with anything else, as far as I know.) For single-patch textures, you can also just put them between TX_START and TX_END.
Heck, if you're targetting GZDoom, you can just save all your patches in true-color PNG format. GZDoom will render them as-is, while ZDoom will convert them to the IWAD's palette beforehand (making this something of a necessity for multiple-game mods). Heck, doesn't even have to be true-color, the PNG can use whatever palette you want and ZDoom'll still convert it to the game's palette for you.
Heck, if you're targetting GZDoom, you can just save all your patches in true-color PNG format. GZDoom will render them as-is, while ZDoom will convert them to the IWAD's palette beforehand (making this something of a necessity for multiple-game mods). Heck, doesn't even have to be true-color, the PNG can use whatever palette you want and ZDoom'll still convert it to the game's palette for you.
Raptomex
Member
I just misunderstood. So many programs. I'm trying to see how I can do it with some sense of organization. I keep asking myself "do I make the map in doom builder first then create and import the textures via XWE or SLADE?" That's my concern right now. I like to do things as I go so if I could import new textures into doom builder as im creating the map that would be beneficial. If I can't I'll have to decide if I want to create the textures before and make a texture wad or just apply them after the map is designed.