Doom: The Dark Ages is a flop

It starts of very slow and unappealing. I was feeling disappointed at first, the game just didn't feel like a fun experience. But... I pushed on and didn't want to give up on it as I absolutely adored 2016 and Eternal and my gawd when it clicked for me, it CLICKED. Now I'm running into hordes and bigs and just curb stomping and shield slicing these mf'ers like burritos. Crazy fun. Game is great! Soundtrack is pretty weak tho. Miss Gordon badly.
 
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I doubt it wil be considered a flop in the long run, but it definitely isn't as good as Eternal or 2016.

That still means it's better than 99% of the dog shit that gets released these days, but it could have been better.
U confuse quality of the game with its sales numbers, we consider game a flop if it sells well below expectactions aka doesnt make back money invested in its budget(it actually has to make 2x its budget amount to be considered success which makes sense, if u are investor u dont wanna spend 300m usd over 5 years only to get same 300m usd in profit back, u want at least 2x that amount so 600m usd, and again we talking profit here, not revenue).
 
That price though. I'm glad people are voting with their wallets.
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EDIT: that said, AI will replace multiple layers of the game dev machinery soon, with much smaller teams able to churn out high scope games, so this problem is likely temporary.
If you believe that these AI transition savings will be passed on to the customer, you are in for a rude awakening. The line must go up always, reducing MSRP is antithetical to that.
 
Doom 2016 was special. I now have the urge to replay it for the 5th or 6th time lol.
Do it! I just loaded up a couple of maps to try yesterday after finishing Dark Ages and it was a blast. For me it's one of the best games ever and I like it as much as the original classic Doom. I think I also played it through about 6 times at least
 
haven't played yet but been playin through doom 3. what an amazing game that is

Doom 3 was the one notorious for the "monster closets" unfortunately. Every encounter in that game was the lights suddenly go out and a bunch of demons appear behind you when a wall opens that was keeping them inside until right when you arrive

The atmosphere of Doom 3 was unmatched though
 
Doom 3 was the one notorious for the "monster closets" unfortunately. Every encounter in that game was the lights suddenly go out and a bunch of demons appear behind you when a wall opens that was keeping them inside until right when you arrive

The atmosphere of Doom 3 was unmatched though
Yes, this is true. But still, that game was a milestone in videogaming even with its issues.
 
It starts of very slow and unappealing. I was feeling disappointed at first, the game just didn't feel like a fun experience. But... I pushed on and didn't want to give up on it as I absolutely adored 2016 and Eternal and my gawd when it clicked for me, it CLICKED. Now I'm running into hordes and bigs and just curb stomping and shield slicing these mf'ers like burritos. Crazy fun. Game is great! Soundtrack is pretty weak tho. Miss Gordon badly.
This is what I'm talking about. Was it chapter 6 for you also?
 
Flop or not, I just finished the game and it was pretty great. The gameplay was excellent. I have some issues with some things, but it was good overall.

Glad I got to play it via game pass.
 
This is what I'm talking about. Was it chapter 6 for you also?

Around that yes. Once I started to get the hang of it and understood how the game wants you to play, it got so freakishly fun. I'm attacking hordes and biggies like a butcher and I friggin love it. Running into big crowds and causing all kinds of havoc. I understand some people are thrown off by the start of the game but my advice is to push through it and suddenly the game clicks and it's so much fun.
 
Playing through the game a bit this morning. Solid title so far but yeah I can see some of the gripes that people have with the game. Also something about the game just kinda feels... antiquated? not quite sure how to articulate it but yeah. Anyway the game is quality and the story is well there. Also I think Expedition 33 turned me into a parry god.
 
But that's not the case with other big hit video games. So what's up with that?


Most recent big hits have been also a hit on social media: Hell Divers 2, Black Ops 6, Marvel Rivals or REPO comes to mind.

We are also in the transition phase probably, people are just watching people play video games rather than just play them. And thats even assuming they are even caring about games at all. If you see many kids outside, most of them are fixated on social media/reels, not mobile gaming (or any portable gaming like the Switch).
 
If it goes on to sell millions of copies in a couple of years...is it still a flop?
It all depends on the cost of development and the amount the game/IP made as a whole.

It's really hard to gauge too considering the details that exist point to majority of the players being on Game Pass. So, how that equates to their success is a question mark. Really depends on overall development cost, and the total of Game Pass subsciptions + game sales across all platforms.
 
I bought it day one! Are not these the games we keep asking for on NeoGaf?
Non live service,
Single player,
non woke,
Focus on the core male gamer
From reviews very solid game

I think we should all take a long look in the mirror and see if we have been lying to ourselves.

Well... yeah, but people still want the game to be good, too.
 
It is good, if it wouldn't be fun there would be no runs on Ultra Nightmare and speedruns. Usually shitty games don't attract speedrunners and godlike players.

Oh, they 100% do.

Either way, I wasn't saying that this game is necessarily shitty - I have no idea - I'm just saying that even though a game checks a lot of boxes like being single-player and being targeted towards male, core gamers; none of that matters if the quality isn't there.
 
Oh, they 100% do.

Either way, I wasn't saying that this game is necessarily shitty - I have no idea - I'm just saying that even though a game checks a lot of boxes like being single-player and being targeted towards male, core gamers; none of that matters if the quality isn't there.
The game is fine, really. This is my observation as a long time gamer and responsible adult person.
 
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This game is definitely a certified heater. Have about 5 hours in the game at the moment. Always forget how cool the overall world is and this game really does seem to explore that aspect of the game more than other games have that I recall. One of my things with the game is that the soundtrack is a mere shadow of the previous ones. Just sounds more like background music rock theme than actual memorable bangers you want to jam out to. Also Expedition 33 really got me trained on those parrys. The parry window in this game feels baby mode now lol
 
If you believe that these AI transition savings will be passed on to the customer, you are in for a rude awakening. The line must go up always, reducing MSRP is antithetical to that.
As much as I hate to admit it, you are right. You and I also know that there will be serious AI growing pains too. These first iterations are going to be rough.
 
I definitely still want to play this game, but a few things cooled me off to it.
The price, the fact that there is no game on the physical version and the apparent lack of challenge (which isn't a total deal breaker for me). I loved 2016 and Eternal both in their own ways. Recently played through the Eternal DLC and REALLY enjoyed it.

I'm good on waiting a couple years for a complete edition with all DLC for around $40-$50.
 
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This is hilarious, I blame Phil Spencer.

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Big DOOM fan since 2 and this game just isn't appealing to me. I've also heard there's a parry mechanic with the shield, bleh. I appreciate Id for trying new stuff, but from what I've seen, this is a miss. I'll play it eventually, but this game quickly went from a day 1 to "whenever I feel like it,".
 
They've gone too far off Doom 2016.

2016 should've had a couple of straight fast sequels with new environments and a few new weapons and enemies.
But instead noooo they wanted to reinvent the fucking wheel every fucking time.

That's not what I wanted.
 
They've gone too far off Doom 2016.

2016 should've had a couple of straight fast sequels with new environments and a few new weapons and enemies.
But instead noooo they wanted to reinvent the fucking wheel every fucking time.

That's not what I wanted.
This is really bad take.

You have no idea how bad it is.
 
This is hilarious, I blame Phil Spencer.

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Why is a traditional, single-player focused, no gaas shit, no MTX, no wokeness (for those that care), well reviewed game by both critics and people who've played it flopping hilarious?



I'll never understand why a subset of you people celebrate when good games fail to find an audience.
 
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I loved it. I played it on gamepass and it's one of the most pure dumb fun games I've played in forever. On higher difficulties it's pure chaos and getting weapon upgrades and finding all the hidden stuff makes the game last longer than many people are saying. Honestly I would give it a 9.3/10. Best fps campaign I've played in forever.
 
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This is really bad take.

You have no idea how bad it is.
It's just their opinion. Which differs from yours. Relax mate.

I personally agree with them, for me the non stop action of Doom 2016, awesome OST, and weighty weapons made it one of my GOTY that year.

Eternal, I enjoyed, but got super tiresome having to juggle weapons around.

Latest one, just never got into, just dull. Even screwed up the OST imo.

I'm sure plenty on here have said you had bad takes.
 
It's just their opinion. Which differs from yours. Relax mate.

I personally agree with them, for me the non stop action of Doom 2016, awesome OST, and weighty weapons made it one of my GOTY that year.

Eternal, I enjoyed, but got super tiresome having to juggle weapons around.

Latest one, just never got into, just dull. Even screwed up the OST imo.

I'm sure plenty on here have said you had bad takes.
There are plenty of shooters that fill the role of Doom 2016.

If thats all you want, you are spoiling for choices.
 
Big DOOM fan since 2 and this game just isn't appealing to me. I've also heard there's a parry mechanic with the shield, bleh. I appreciate Id for trying new stuff, but from what I've seen, this is a miss. I'll play it eventually, but this game quickly went from a day 1 to "whenever I feel like it,".
When you say this isn't appealing, stop looking at the menu and try it for yourself. The game is excellent.

£70 excellent? Hell no, but a great game non-the-less.
 
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