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[AddiF]

It starts of very slow and unappealing. I was feeling disappointed at first, the game just didn't feel like a fun experience. But... I pushed on and didn't want to give up on it as I absolutely adored 2016 and Eternal and my gawd when it clicked for me, it CLICKED. Now I'm running into hordes and bigs and just curb stomping and shield slicing these mf'ers like burritos. Crazy fun. Game is great! Soundtrack is pretty weak tho. Miss Gordon badly.

 

[PeteBull]

I doubt it wil be considered a flop in the long run, but it definitely isn't as good as Eternal or 2016.

That still means it's better than 99% of the dog shit that gets released these days, but it could have been better.

U confuse quality of the game with its sales numbers, we consider game a flop if it sells well below expectactions aka doesnt make back money invested in its budget(it actually has to make 2x its budget amount to be considered success which makes sense, if u are investor u dont wanna spend 300m usd over 5 years only to get same 300m usd in profit back, u want at least 2x that amount so 600m usd, and again we talking profit here, not revenue).

 

[Gamezone]

That price though. I'm glad people are voting with their wallets.

 

[Branded]

That price though. I'm glad people are voting with their wallets.

I DID MY PART THOUGH AND BOUGHT THE 200EU COLLECTORS EDITION!!!!!

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[Pimpbaa]

The hype for a sequel after DOOM 2016 was very high.

But it continued to sell. Not a sharp drop off like starfield (which also had a lot of hype). A low bar to set, but shits been bad for dark ages and eternal had nothing to do with that.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

EDIT: that said, AI will replace multiple layers of the game dev machinery soon, with much smaller teams able to churn out high scope games, so this problem is likely temporary.

If you believe that these AI transition savings will be passed on to the customer, you are in for a rude awakening. The line must go up always, reducing MSRP is antithetical to that.

 

[Danknugz]

haven't played yet but been playin through doom 3. what an amazing game that is

 

[The_Observer]

haven't played yet but been playin through doom 3. what an amazing game that is

It is! I'd love a remake or a similar game when they eventually reboot Doom again. Though Doom 2016 was kind of a mix between Doom 3 and classic Doom. It was close to perfection.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

It is! I'd love a remake or a similar game when they eventually reboot Doom again. Though Doom 2016 was kind of a mix between Doom 3 and classic Doom. It was close to perfection.

Doom 2016 was special. I now have the urge to replay it for the 5th or 6th time lol.

 

[The_Observer]

Doom 2016 was special. I now have the urge to replay it for the 5th or 6th time lol.

Do it! I just loaded up a couple of maps to try yesterday after finishing Dark Ages and it was a blast. For me it's one of the best games ever and I like it as much as the original classic Doom. I think I also played it through about 6 times at least

 

[Unknown Soldier]

haven't played yet but been playin through doom 3. what an amazing game that is

Doom 3 was the one notorious for the "monster closets" unfortunately. Every encounter in that game was the lights suddenly go out and a bunch of demons appear behind you when a wall opens that was keeping them inside until right when you arrive

The atmosphere of Doom 3 was unmatched though

 

[The_Observer]

Doom 3 was the one notorious for the "monster closets" unfortunately. Every encounter in that game was the lights suddenly go out and a bunch of demons appear behind you when a wall opens that was keeping them inside until right when you arrive

The atmosphere of Doom 3 was unmatched though

Yes, this is true. But still, that game was a milestone in videogaming even with its issues.

 

[ResilientBanana]

It starts of very slow and unappealing. I was feeling disappointed at first, the game just didn't feel like a fun experience. But... I pushed on and didn't want to give up on it as I absolutely adored 2016 and Eternal and my gawd when it clicked for me, it CLICKED. Now I'm running into hordes and bigs and just curb stomping and shield slicing these mf'ers like burritos. Crazy fun. Game is great! Soundtrack is pretty weak tho. Miss Gordon badly.

This is what I'm talking about. Was it chapter 6 for you also?

 

[nial]

If it goes on to sell millions of copies in a couple of years...is it still a flop?

I wouldn't expect any great legs out of a muted launch like this.

 

[Dacvak]

Flop or not, I just finished the game and it was pretty great. The gameplay was excellent. I have some issues with some things, but it was good overall.

Glad I got to play it via game pass.

 

[AddiF]

This is what I'm talking about. Was it chapter 6 for you also?

Around that yes. Once I started to get the hang of it and understood how the game wants you to play, it got so freakishly fun. I'm attacking hordes and biggies like a butcher and I friggin love it. Running into big crowds and causing all kinds of havoc. I understand some people are thrown off by the start of the game but my advice is to push through it and suddenly the game clicks and it's so much fun.

 

[manfestival]

Playing through the game a bit this morning. Solid title so far but yeah I can see some of the gripes that people have with the game. Also something about the game just kinda feels... antiquated? not quite sure how to articulate it but yeah. Anyway the game is quality and the story is well there. Also I think Expedition 33 turned me into a parry god.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

But that's not the case with other big hit video games. So what's up with that?

Most recent big hits have been also a hit on social media: Hell Divers 2, Black Ops 6, Marvel Rivals or REPO comes to mind.

We are also in the transition phase probably, people are just watching people play video games rather than just play them. And thats even assuming they are even caring about games at all. If you see many kids outside, most of them are fixated on social media/reels, not mobile gaming (or any portable gaming like the Switch).

 

[MiguelItUp]

If it goes on to sell millions of copies in a couple of years...is it still a flop?

It all depends on the cost of development and the amount the game/IP made as a whole.

It's really hard to gauge too considering the details that exist point to majority of the players being on Game Pass. So, how that equates to their success is a question mark. Really depends on overall development cost, and the total of Game Pass subsciptions + game sales across all platforms.

 

[amigastar]

If it goes on to sell millions of copies in a couple of years...is it still a flop?

Thats what i've been thinking. Its not a huge flop i would say and the sales will only be better in the future.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I bought it day one! Are not these the games we keep asking for on NeoGaf?
Non live service,
Single player,
non woke,
Focus on the core male gamer
From reviews very solid game

I think we should all take a long look in the mirror and see if we have been lying to ourselves.

Well... yeah, but people still want the game to be good, too.

 

[amigastar]

Well... yeah, but people still want the game to be good, too.

It is good, if it wouldn't be fun there would be no runs on Ultra Nightmare and speedruns. Usually shitty games don't attract speedrunners and godlike players.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

It is good, if it wouldn't be fun there would be no runs on Ultra Nightmare and speedruns. Usually shitty games don't attract speedrunners and godlike players.

Oh, they 100% do.

Either way, I wasn't saying that this game is necessarily shitty - I have no idea - I'm just saying that even though a game checks a lot of boxes like being single-player and being targeted towards male, core gamers; none of that matters if the quality isn't there.

 

[analog_future]

Well... yeah, but people still want the game to be good, too.

It's well reviewed, has "Very Positive (86%)" user feedback on Steam, and has generally great word of mouth.

By any measurable metric, the people who are actually playing it are having a great time with it.

 

[amigastar]

Oh, they 100% do.

Either way, I wasn't saying that this game is necessarily shitty - I have no idea - I'm just saying that even though a game checks a lot of boxes like being single-player and being targeted towards male, core gamers; none of that matters if the quality isn't there.

The game is fine, really. This is my observation as a long time gamer and responsible adult person.

 

[Camper182]

This game slaps.
I'll buy it later on PS5, but currently playing via gamepass.

 

[DonF]

2016 and eternal are great games, but I got both for like $10. I'll wait.

 

[Brakum]

If it goes on to sell millions of copies in a couple of years...is it still a flop?

Depends on how much you were expecting to sell obviously. If balatro sells 2M copies thats a massive success. If GTA sells 2 million copies that's a massive failure.

 

[manfestival]

This game is definitely a certified heater. Have about 5 hours in the game at the moment. Always forget how cool the overall world is and this game really does seem to explore that aspect of the game more than other games have that I recall. One of my things with the game is that the soundtrack is a mere shadow of the previous ones. Just sounds more like background music rock theme than actual memorable bangers you want to jam out to. Also Expedition 33 really got me trained on those parrys. The parry window in this game feels baby mode now lol