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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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Fulminator
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The only transformation that does this is super saiyan god
sleverfunk
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Jiren. Plus Ultraaaaa!!
I kinda want Jiren to transform and his costume changes and grows a cape from his back
ArchedThunder
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Not it's not, all it says is that
Goku fights Ribrianne, nothing about her "jobbing" to Jiren.
ArchedThunder
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I don't get your logic here.
I'd guess that
the other 4 universes must have a few mortals that are also stronger than Beerus.
Undead Fantasy
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Why do you say that?
Higher average level probably means those at the top are well above those at the top of "lower power" universes. Not expressly the case, because it is an average, but my guess is that
Jiren isn't as powerful as Beerus, but a few from one of the >7 power level Universes are.
The Silver
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Nah its Gohan's turn to get his ass beat while Goku charges up.
Your right just checked it says
Jiren starts to overwhelm everybody
I know Kaioken math is quite silly but 20x is only twice as strong as his last full power usage against Hit, who was still standing after Goku's beatdown. Compared to Goku's own established strength in this arc vs the other fighters @ blue and thinking back to Hit's fight, 20x won't be a thing - which we know since we've already been shown Goku's new form - it's just Kaioken x 10 wasn't that much of a boost either.
ArchedThunder
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That doesn't make much sense.
and that's still a big difference
and Hit and Goku were tied and Hit kept up because if his Time abilities
Jiren is pure raw power likey
Jiren is pure raw power likey
Undead Fantasy
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Interesting.
A preview says U7 still has 8 fighters by 109 but then Toshio's tweet doesn't make sense if someone from another universe gets eliminated.
6 x 10 = 60
6 x 20 = 120
6 x 10 x 2 = ?
How does it work?
I know Kaioken technically is already a x2 multiplier blah blah blah
ArchedThunder
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"Only double" when the numbers are really high isn't something minor.
The difference between 2 and 4 is much smaller than the difference between 2 Billion and 4 Billion.
That's why I spoke on x10 already being shown to be minor
except when used against Gohan
It's just not really hype worthy to me thats all guys jeez
ArchedThunder
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It wasn't minor, Hit's deal is that he can just get stronger and increase the duration of his Time Skip on the fly, he was able to adapt to Goku's boost.
Undead Fantasy
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Hit doesn't get stronger. If that was the case then he would have beat regular Kaioken Goku in episode 40 easily. He didn't. He actually almost got beat in one punch.
Cool, yet Hit was getting his ass handed to him by that Rabbit dude, getting more damage than in his fight against Goku.
So it's not unreasonable to think that 20x KK would be useless off the bat right?
Well,
while it isn't the whole story if they have higher "ningen" levels and that it isn't simply about power I suppose between those 4 there could be a very strong being, I don't think it's a casuality they're just watching, even if some of them are still horrified by the idea of universes getting erased
See this is where I'm coming from, even watching footage from his fight with Goku again and base blue Goku manages to get some hard bangs in, Hit is all "uwaaah" - 10x KK gets a whole hyper combo in and a kamehameha in and the fight isn't over - Goku gives due to stamina.
Gohan.
Believe.
Icyflamez96
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I think that Jiren isn't the mortal stronger than a GoD and the one that is exists in one of the non participating universes.
ArchedThunder
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They mention specifically that it's like Saiyans getting stronger from fighting.
So? Dyspo is strong and incredibly fast, faster than Goku and Hit still adapted.
The Silver
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I hope so, they need something interesting in the remaining 4.
Undead Fantasy
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So Goku being 5 times weaker than him does the same damage to Hit with one punch than Hit did in several?
Sure.
I feel like you're the police in this thread.
ArchedThunder
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What are you even talking about?
Undead Fantasy
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Goku does not use Kaioken x10 in episode 40.
ArchedThunder
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Undead Fantasy
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He did actually. Look closely.
ArchedThunder
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No he didn't, you think they'd keep a big red screen filter on an entire episode?
If he had dropped out of x10 he wouldn't have been Kaioken at all when he stepped up on the portrait.
Freeza from Second Form to Final Form?
Cell from Imperfect Cell to Perfect Cell?
Buu from Buuhan/Super Buu to Kid Buu?
Even the formless villains have followed the slim and lean > ripped trope: Beerus as he is and Vegeta with Nappa as the bait and switch.
The only exceptions are Merged Zamasu becoming Hulk and filler stuff like Broly (lol).
I don't think Jiren does have a second form because it'd probably have leaked from marketing by now, but I still find it weird they are going all out with a ripped villain.
Undead Fantasy
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His hair is different. That's a very clear sign he dropped out of it.
But if you don't want to admit it then fine.
ArchedThunder
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SenjutsuSage
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Different races or species have different abilities and/or powers, so it's not that big a thing that they don't have transformations. And it's entirely possible that they, or at least Jiren, very well could have some type of transformation. We don't know. Also, it's only because we've become so accustomed to transformations that we now look at the idea of no transformation at all as somewhat evidence of superiority, when in reality it doesn't necessarily matter so much how you become as powerful as you are. The only thing that matters in the end is having the power to win. I would love nothing more than for this entire thing to be a huge build up for a Gohan power-up that ends up either coming close to winning the tournament of power, or a Gohan power-up that effectively stalemates the tournament of power at a 1 v 1 between Jiren and Gohan before some unforeseen circumstance interrupts the whole thing.
They could maybe make it so that Gohan clearly didn't master his new power yet, which likely implies that had it gone further Jiren would've come out on top. That way nobody feels like Gohan instantly had the upperhand while also leaving something exciting and kind of unknown hanging out there in the future for Gohan. Meanwhile we all know Goku will become stronger with whatever his new form turned out to be.
Goku blowing a ton of stamina really early makes me think the father-son team up will definitely happen.
His hair is only different while powering up.
Just wanted to repost a theory I made 2 months ago to spur some discussion
Theory was written up immediately after the first episode of the tournament (97)
Theory was written up immediately after the first episode of the tournament (97)
ArchedThunder
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Two little mistakes.
When the EDs change has nothing to do with what's going on in the show, they change every 13 weeks.
The EDs usually change at random points in the plot because the plot isn't planned around TV seasons.
Those were manga panels from Toyotaro, and we know the manga and anime can be pretty different.
But anyways I agree, I still don't think the tournament is the end of the arc, and them referring to the special as being the start pf the climax of the tournament instead of saying the climax of the arc makes me think that even more. My guess is that the tournament's "climax" will be 5-8 episodes and then the rest of the arc will run for the remainder of November and then through December, into January and maybe even February, depending on what happens.
Any universe remaining will be teleported to a remote world and play the ultimate game of survivor
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