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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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Baleoce
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Zamasu was a little bitch. He was a temperamental underling who found himself in a position of power and took advantage of it. He lost in a skirmish against a mortal.. He then had to wish for immortality just to ensure that mortals wouldn't be able to kill him, and then had to fuse with himself in order to gain any kind of leverage in power against those same mortals which managed to exceed his own limits. Consider him against any GoD. It's embarassing. Super actually wasted an arc on that. (I may or may not be drunk)
He's a bitch for being smart and realizing that he needed immortality and the strongest fighter that he has ever met to achieve his goals? He was probably the smartest villain that dbz has ever had in terms of planning. He even wiped out the dragon balls so no one could match him. That's smart as hell. Plus I liked his downfall. His downfall was sayain pride that he gained from Goku's body. I really liked zamasu. Best villian since og freeza imho
future_pinoy
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I really like Dan Dan
dan dan kokoro hikareteku (guitar cover finger style)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssa6_ppLTAM
dan dan kokoro hikareteku (acoustic cover by mai llabres & Strawb3rryCake)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCTqqqtXYc
No im pretty sure they just randomly gave trunks SSGSS and a crazy genki dama sword thing
BasilZero
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That doesn't mean Zamasu should have been able to pull off the Kaioken any more than Vegeta, Frieza or anyone else Goku's used the technique against.
As an aside, why has King Kai never taught anyone else that technique or the Spirit Bomb?
And yet he wasn't smart enough to realize that both Zamasus (Zamatwo?) should have been immortal or that it might be a good idea to have a set, be they Namek, Earth or Super, to fix any potential problems that arise.
Because some asshole won't wish him back to life.
We're talking about the Zamasu in Goku's body. He should be able to use Kaioken. He knows IT and Kamehameha. It might just have been it would take him awhile to learn it, or Rose is too chaotic to control Kaioken so really what's the point?
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Yamcha had the Spirit Ball.
You could make this argument every time goku won via spirit bomb. His sword transforming was basically a spirit sword. Think of how buu/cell were defeated. Both were in a similar situstion.
He let his pride get in the way. How many times has Goku done something completely stupid that makes no sense because of his pride? Or Vegeta? Or Gohan? Or Gotanks? It's a Sayian thing that happens while fighting. They don't think straight
I think episode 66 might have been the most confusing moment for me when going on DB Gaf.
I remember thinking that was an amazing episode, ending with Trunks getting the kill in a badass way, and when I came on Gaf everyone was bitching about it.
I get why it was bullshit, but I prefer that over Goku getting the win.
I remember thinking that was an amazing episode, ending with Trunks getting the kill in a badass way, and when I came on Gaf everyone was bitching about it.
I get why it was bullshit, but I prefer that over Goku getting the win.
Bacon_Boss
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Is the one piece crossover tonight?
The One Piece special on October 1st.
Tonight is a history of Japan special that will feature characters from various different anime like Dragon Ball, One Piece, Kochikame, etc.
ArchedThunder
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There is no crossover, as mentioned above today is a history of Japan thing.
October 1st is the One Piece double episode and October 8th is the Dragon Ball Super double episode.
gamerguy2002
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The amount of people that actually pay attention to episode dates is staggering. 1 or 2 is understandable but this topic must've had at least 10 people ask the same question.
Should change the topic title temporarily.
Also I'm guessing these History of Japan shorts are not going to be officially subbed?
Should change the topic title temporarily.
Also I'm guessing these History of Japan shorts are not going to be officially subbed?
Icyflamez96
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Zeno got the win at the end of the day.
Kinda funny now that I think about the manga ending. Vegeta basically took Trunks's role there with his Gamma Burst Flash.
Edit: Also how you felt about the reaction to that episode is how I felt about episode 104.
ArchedThunder
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Some shots from the Nobunaga section of the history of Japan thingy (Vegeta is Nobunaga).
I would actually love a Super special with an original story that used these designs. Shame that we'll probably never see these again, not even in games.
No, not the same. Maybeeee Buu, which would also be why its often criticized and rightly so, but even then theres precedence. Trunks had no business attaining SSB. He also had no business pulling a universal genki dama out of his ass.
Undead Fantasy
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Indeed. Way better than Goku pulling Haikai out of his ass.
ArchedThunder
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Based on Japanese air dates.
9/17: Episode 107.
9/24: Episode 108.
10/1: No New Episode. One hour One Piece special.
10/8: One hour Dragon Ball Super special. (No new One Piece).
Bobo Dakes
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I was with you until that last sentence.
Next week, this Saturday sucks.
Icyflamez96
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The only moment from that arc in the manga that I'll say was straight bs.
Still lowkey hype tho.
Unknown One
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That sword is the most bullshit thing I've seen in the entire series. 2nd would be Zamasu growing infinite faces afterwards.
Icyflamez96
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I mean they have to do something for the half immortal thing.
DigitalRicket
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Same here. Loved the Vegeto moment as some beautiful fanservice, and Trunks' finishing move was awesome, but seemed like everyone was upset that he just did it out of nowhere.
Sad times. No Saturday Super make Durden go crazy.
Thanks for the schedule though Arched.
nckillthegrimace
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I have no idea. Seems like an easy way to make losers like Tien slightly more relevant.
Speaking about the Future Trunks arc, they should have put in a few lines that established that Supreme Kai introduced King Kai to Trunks. Then Trunks could have Kaioken, explaining some of the inconsistencies in his power relative to everyone else, and the Spirit Sword wouldn't have come out of nowhere. Like maybe King Kai taught him the basic concept, but he could never get it right until he focused it into his sword at the end of the arc.
Undead Fantasy
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You can't use Super Saiyan with Kaioken.
I would say Trunks knowing to heal is up there since since I am almost certain Toyo made that up fairly recently. He 'healed' Mai, when Mai remained unconscious in rubble for over a day.
I think that was the point.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Episode 22
The scene with Gohan and Ginyu is kinda weird. Gohan transforms into SSJ, takes him down and is all like "This battle is over!", but then when Freezer starts torturing him, Ginyu is perfectly fine. I guess the purpose was for Freezer to get triggered at a Saiyan having mercy over his opponent, but I dunno, could have been handled better imo.
And then Ginyu stops the rest of the Z Fighters from intervening, but Piccolo is still able to jump in and sacrifice himself at the last minute.
edit: why did they tell Goten and Trunks to go but not Bulma
The scene with Gohan and Ginyu is kinda weird. Gohan transforms into SSJ, takes him down and is all like "This battle is over!", but then when Freezer starts torturing him, Ginyu is perfectly fine. I guess the purpose was for Freezer to get triggered at a Saiyan having mercy over his opponent, but I dunno, could have been handled better imo.
And then Ginyu stops the rest of the Z Fighters from intervening, but Piccolo is still able to jump in and sacrifice himself at the last minute.
edit: why did they tell Goten and Trunks to go but not Bulma
Icyflamez96
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I did too before someone reminded me of Kibito (or whichever one) healing Gohan in the Buu saga.
But Kibito is from the same race as the Supreme Kai. So he isn't like Trunks, at all.
ArchedThunder
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I think the widows peak is a dead give away that it's Vegeta.
Icyflamez96
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He didn't completely make it up is what I'm saying. He took advantage of some details in the original manga along with how certain aspects of the Kais being retconned/changed/ignored in Super, and filled in some of his own stuff in the blanks. I can see what he's going for anyway as opposed to just being a completely out of nowhere asspull.
Undead Fantasy
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While I agree with you, the fact that Shin never told Trunks that he had healing powers is fucking dumb. What's worse is that the ritual lasted an entire day and Trunks never asked what benefit an apprentice Kaioshin will have.
He did since Kibito, as far as we know, never have to go through ha ritual and it was never said or ever implied you have to be an assistance Supreme Kai to get healing power. Especially since Kibito is the same race as Shin. The only only thing retconned/changed/ignored in Super about the Supreme Kais is the number.
So Toyo literally made that up and really mades no sense when you think about it.
Icyflamez96
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It is pretty dumb. But I at least like that Trunks got to do something in the manga arc.
I don't necessarily disagree with most of these points, but I think you're missing my point.
I believe your overall point is that you're okay with Trunks healing since someone in the original manga could do it, given it some creditability. Even if it is paper thin.
Vegeta's Ambition. Can't think of anything better Nobunaga related lol.
Bobo Dakes
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Countdown to Jirren
Astral Dog
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And yet he was still killed 🤔
I didn't get it tbh, does that mean Zeno > Super Dragon Balls and yet i feel that isn't the case (if the planet Dragon Balls were to be used again
Van dyke vegeta
return of the moustache!
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