ArchedThunder
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They have completely different subs, yes.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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They have completely different subs, yes.
Gooooood. Thank you.
Don't know if I wanna bother till they get past the movie stuff though...
Lee Chaolan
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MeisaMcCaffrey
I absolutely enjoyed it though. There's so much scope for improvement.
ArchedThunder
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Not quite, it's Super Yamcha in his old Gi.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I'm produce so much salt if gotenks isn't in cuz that'll be ridiculous
His moveset looks ripped straight out of a video game like come on
His moveset looks ripped straight out of a video game like come on
KojiKnight
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I can't completely disagree, at least on Goku. I kind of like Super's take on Vegeta though. He's still gruff as hell, but he's also a family man now. Something Goku never really became.
Yes, I don't subscribe to the meme that Goku doesn't love his family... but it's still pretty clear that if he had a choice, everyone would just be training and having practice matches all day and since that's not who they are, he's more than happy to ditch them for very long spans of time.
Goku is a selfish character when it comes down to it. Super's characterization is just that only more so. To the point that he's making very dumb decisions.
I stopped at "he's the best shonen hero ever " but she's right about Goku personality in Super.
ArchedThunder
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Slaythe said that Gotenks is in, I believe.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Bless you slaythe
DiipuSurotu
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Just saw Android 21. She kinda looks like a fusion of these two characters in Toriyama's style :/
ArchedThunder
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Toyotaro completely changed Jiren's proportions.
Maybe it's because I'm used to anime Jiren, but these proportions look really weird, and I think they kinda take away from his design.
Lol she really does sound like she comes from a different franchise
Nevermind 21 looks better than I thought she would
Ultimate Gohan is a given.
ArchedThunder
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Yeah, that description was pretty off.
She does feel a bit more Dragon Quest than Dragon Ball though, I'd love it if Super got some more Dragon Questy looking characters.
Maybe she watched the american DBZ and completely skipped DB
this is a strange drawing of him
So, last month I caught the Battle of Gods movie airing on TV and it relived my interest in Dragon Ball. I was a pretty big fan when I was young (I remember getting up early everyday to see the new episodes from the Cell saga, playing every PS2 game ever released
. When Super got announced I considered watching it, but I haven't really watched any anime for years outside the new Digimon OVAs and the Final Fantasy XV anime, and since the content from the first episodes seemed really lackluster and uninspired, I ignored it. To be fair, I was sort of pissed too because I actually liked GT and Super just seemed as a retreat of DBZ content, playing it too safe.
After watching some of the BoG, I decided to give it a shot and well, I just finished the Future Trunks Saga. From watching almost no anime for years to straight up powering through +60 episodes in three weeks was weird. I want to take a little break now before catching up because I read that the following arc hasn't finished yet and I got a bit annoyed at how they ended the Zamasu plot. I'll try to sum up my thoughs regarding Super so far:
- Beerus has become one of my favorite DB characters. At first I didn't like his design but now I just see him as an essential part of the cast. I wish he got involved in fights more often and the food gag wasn't repeated that many times, but he is fine as he is. The rest of the new supporting gang is a bit meh, Zeno, Monaka and Champa are the only characters that I instantly loved. I don't understand the hype about Hit.
- They really messed up the introduction to the new SS forms. Super Saiyan God felt really uninspired design wise and I wasn't even relevant later on. I liked the idea of Super Saiyan Blue but it just comes out of nowhere in the Frieza arc and it doesn't even seem like Vegeta and Goku have actually powered up. And then, the new forms don't get used until way later, they didn't feel relevant to the overall DB story and should have been saved for later.
- The Resurrection F arc is the worst piece of DB media ever, period. There was no point in bringing Frieza back, the resolution is dumb and the only good thing I liked was the supporting cast getting some action against Frieza's minions. Maybe I disliked this saga because I'm not actually a fan of the original Z Namek saga and never understood the hype about Frieza, but almost everything about this was bad. Highlight was introducing a new Frieza form that doesn't fix his weakness, he gets wiped out two minutes after he is introduced and making the climax be him destroying the planet and then getting reversed. I was really annoyed about this whole arc.
- I liked how the Future Trunks arc kicked off, but the f was up with that ending? My initial theory regarding Black was that he was going to be Future Goten because I thought that's how they were going to set up the arc by Goten getting weirdly excluded at the beginning of the arc and I think it would have been cool to have Future Goten and Future Trunks be enemies to contrast their kid selves. But instead, the arc introduces a time paradox that doesn't even make sense and over complicates the plot for the sake of underwhelming shocking reveals. I'm used to DB taking the dumbest approach available in order to resolve its plot points, but the constant back and forth between the present-future timeline ("oh! Goku forgot the senzu beans!", "oh! Goku forgot the mafuba seal!", "oh, we forgot Zeno!") was unbearable. Vegito coming back for 7 minutes was stupid. I actually laughed at Zamasu (who I thought had a cool motivation and build up) just becoming a planet out of nowhere and killing everyone, rendering the entire arc pointless. Future Trunks and Mai being perfectly fine with living in another timeline in which they already exist and getting kicked out of the picture just like that was what broke the straw for me. Ugh, I'm still so annoyed about that.
Even though my impressions might seem overly negative, I actually enjoyed my time watching Super. It exceeded my expectations and I've actually found myself looking forward what happens in the next arc. I'm not going to lie and say that I would be perfectly okay with Goku kicking the bucket and disappearing from the series for a while, though. I was disappointed to see my favorite characters, Gohan and Piccolo, getting relegated to Android 18 status, but I feel like they are building them off to take part in the Universe Survival tournament, so maybe it will pay off. I'm also liking Vegeta's development, which made me appreciate his character more.
My main wish regarding the future of the series is that they would just get into the End of Z tournament and have a time jump to shake up things a bit. I want to see new designs for the cast and I would love to see the younger cast (Pan, Uub, Goten, Bra) getting their own adventure trip just like the early DB days and the first concept for GT. But I know that it will never happen and that we will stuck in pre End of Z for years.
TL;DR: I still have some time to catch up (almost 40 episodes), but I wanted to share my LTTP thoughts about Super with the GAF community.
and I even got cosplayed as Vegeta for a school festival when I was really young lol
After watching some of the BoG, I decided to give it a shot and well, I just finished the Future Trunks Saga. From watching almost no anime for years to straight up powering through +60 episodes in three weeks was weird. I want to take a little break now before catching up because I read that the following arc hasn't finished yet and I got a bit annoyed at how they ended the Zamasu plot. I'll try to sum up my thoughs regarding Super so far:
- Beerus has become one of my favorite DB characters. At first I didn't like his design but now I just see him as an essential part of the cast. I wish he got involved in fights more often and the food gag wasn't repeated that many times, but he is fine as he is. The rest of the new supporting gang is a bit meh, Zeno, Monaka and Champa are the only characters that I instantly loved. I don't understand the hype about Hit.
- They really messed up the introduction to the new SS forms. Super Saiyan God felt really uninspired design wise and I wasn't even relevant later on. I liked the idea of Super Saiyan Blue but it just comes out of nowhere in the Frieza arc and it doesn't even seem like Vegeta and Goku have actually powered up. And then, the new forms don't get used until way later, they didn't feel relevant to the overall DB story and should have been saved for later.
- The Resurrection F arc is the worst piece of DB media ever, period. There was no point in bringing Frieza back, the resolution is dumb and the only good thing I liked was the supporting cast getting some action against Frieza's minions. Maybe I disliked this saga because I'm not actually a fan of the original Z Namek saga and never understood the hype about Frieza, but almost everything about this was bad. Highlight was introducing a new Frieza form that doesn't fix his weakness, he gets wiped out two minutes after he is introduced and making the climax be him destroying the planet and then getting reversed. I was really annoyed about this whole arc.
- I liked how the Future Trunks arc kicked off, but the f was up with that ending? My initial theory regarding Black was that he was going to be Future Goten because I thought that's how they were going to set up the arc by Goten getting weirdly excluded at the beginning of the arc and I think it would have been cool to have Future Goten and Future Trunks be enemies to contrast their kid selves. But instead, the arc introduces a time paradox that doesn't even make sense and over complicates the plot for the sake of underwhelming shocking reveals. I'm used to DB taking the dumbest approach available in order to resolve its plot points, but the constant back and forth between the present-future timeline ("oh! Goku forgot the senzu beans!", "oh! Goku forgot the mafuba seal!", "oh, we forgot Zeno!") was unbearable. Vegito coming back for 7 minutes was stupid. I actually laughed at Zamasu (who I thought had a cool motivation and build up) just becoming a planet out of nowhere and killing everyone, rendering the entire arc pointless. Future Trunks and Mai being perfectly fine with living in another timeline in which they already exist and getting kicked out of the picture just like that was what broke the straw for me. Ugh, I'm still so annoyed about that.
Even though my impressions might seem overly negative, I actually enjoyed my time watching Super. It exceeded my expectations and I've actually found myself looking forward what happens in the next arc. I'm not going to lie and say that I would be perfectly okay with Goku kicking the bucket and disappearing from the series for a while, though. I was disappointed to see my favorite characters, Gohan and Piccolo, getting relegated to Android 18 status, but I feel like they are building them off to take part in the Universe Survival tournament, so maybe it will pay off. I'm also liking Vegeta's development, which made me appreciate his character more.
My main wish regarding the future of the series is that they would just get into the End of Z tournament and have a time jump to shake up things a bit. I want to see new designs for the cast and I would love to see the younger cast (Pan, Uub, Goten, Bra) getting their own adventure trip just like the early DB days and the first concept for GT. But I know that it will never happen and that we will stuck in pre End of Z for years.
TL;DR: I still have some time to catch up (almost 40 episodes), but I wanted to share my LTTP thoughts about Super with the GAF community.
Yeah I love this gif
At least Toriyama was an artist for DQ so it sorta fits
DiipuSurotu
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She's French and looks to be around her 30s or so. She most definitely watched both DB and DBZ in France in the 1990s like every other people of her generation.
Is it the hair?
That's sure going to cause some arguements in the FighterZ threads...
Thats like leaking a little pee for me
I like Homerku. I love that dbs is like the slapstick of DB + the serious universal implication fights of DBZ. The fact that Goku has reached super saiyan god and fights with the god of destruction is such a great extrapolation of the power creep and the fact that all beerus cares about is pudding just makes it A+++
ArchedThunder
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Yeah, it's the hair.
This will be interesting to see
SenjutsuSage
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It's very important. The first time he did it you could see just how physically exhausted he was from the training.
The second time he did it he was completely calm and in control. It gave off the impression that Vegeta had ascended to a whole other level.
Glendemonium
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Android 21.
TFS Vegeta: DO I HEAR SIX!? (or nine if you count the 7th movie.)
(for those few who don't watch, it's a running gag from the series.)
I like the design, very DQish.
TFS Vegeta: DO I HEAR SIX!? (or nine if you count the 7th movie.)
(for those few who don't watch, it's a running gag from the series.)
I like the design, very DQish.
KojiKnight
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21 looks like a recent Toriyama character, so she really only looks odd because the single scan we have puts her against 16, who is old school Toriyama design. She doesn't look bad, but she doesn't look like a fighter. 18 looks like a street smart brawler, 21 looks...
DiipuSurotu
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What if it isn't even her final form
I made a similar reference in the announcement thread over in Gaming. Glad I wasn't the only one to think of Vegeta's hatred of Trunks not being able to count how many androids there are.
QuiteWhittle
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Looking forward to the manga's treatment of this arc.
Who is she going to absorb this time
KojiKnight
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Oh god... Super 18!?
Lame if this is the version of the exhibition though.
You can Google her look but she's a original game character for the new DB game
Minus the current arc, this is the best Vegeta's been.
They've fucked Vegeta over royally this arc though, unless all you want from Vegeta is the "kill count" Vegeta.
That's boring Vegeta though, and people shouldn't want boring Vegeta. We're better than that. Even boring Cabba doesn't like boring Vegeta.
SenjutsuSage
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Please god, where can I find this? You can spoiler your response of course.
ArchedThunder
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Wait, are there more panels other than the one of all the GoDs coming at him?
If he's able to fight all the other GoDs at once that's fucking stupid, he's not supposed to be the strongest one.
If he's able to fight all the other GoDs at once that's fucking stupid, he's not supposed to be the strongest one.
The ROSAT event happened twice, so it's an ongoing thing in Super..
The first time it happened was when he went to train to fight Goku Black. He destroyed the whole ROSAT while he was inside. The lookout was a mess.
The second time was in the recruitment arc, under 20 episodes ago, so it's on the writers minds. Again he destroyed the ROSAT and ruined the lookout.
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