Metacritic might want to add the same kind of verification than Amazon does. They precise if the reviewer actually bought the item next to their name.
Given some people still try to cheat the system on Amazon but overall it works okay I believe.
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DriveClub Review Thread.
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Metacritic might want to add the same kind of verification than Amazon does. They precise if the reviewer actually bought the item next to their name.
Given some people still try to cheat the system on Amazon but overall it works okay I believe.
Nightengale
Member
You're recall wrongly .
I don't know if VanOrd appreciates being stuck with racing game reviews after half the staff got fired.
I've read reviews from him before with so much detail I felt like I had played the game myself. This one had nothing to it.
lukeskymac
Member
How do you explain the tweet of an employee mentioning the game's finished "after two years"?
Concern?
reynal1287
Member
I hope Evo gets the chance for a second game with tons of content on day one. Seems like a pretty solid game, but rushed.
Except The Last of Us. Universal acclaim both critically as well as with user reviews.
Motorstorm Apoclypse finished development round about late 2010/early2011. Development on DC would Have started not long after.
Nightengale
Member
Hindle, for stuff that you can find out the answer with a little bit of help from Larry Page and Dick Costolo, you don't need to "likely." as you love to do.
Just do a bit of research before typing.
Your attempt is in vain if you are trying to convince console warriors like Bruiserbear and Hindle.
I did my research, but the specifics are not common knowledge, hence my term likely.
Nightengale
Member
Motorstorm RC was released in 2012.
It's not a big title, but around 2011, Evolution was at risk of shutdown due to Tohoku and Apocalypse mega bomba , and thus couldn't afford to start development on any large scale project even after Apocalypse shipped.
It's because RC was a success that Evolution got a second lease in life.
The confusion on Driveclub being a long term project is because it's touted as Evolution's what we wanted to make game for so long. Evo trademarked the Driveclub brand 10 years ago, but nothing happened until after RC.
NemesisPrime
Banned
So is this the end?
Didn't the Director get replace as well about a year ago too?
This is spot on, exactly my sentiments.
A project the size of DC would easily have needed 3 years dev time. Motorstorm RC was a small scale game, that would not have needed everyone at Evolution to develop.
Edit. The majority of Evolution would have started development in 2011 on DC, mainly building the engine, whilst a splinter team would have made RC.
Nightengale
Member
Are we already dismissing Driveclub as a financial failure?
He mentioned that it was small and why in the very post you quoted. It's like you just glossed over the whole post except mentioning Motorstorm RC releasing in 2012.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Everything you just outlined is complete and utter fluff.
It doesn't matter how many tuning options it has when it all boils down to the same fare every race, slide around on road or offroad more or less clumsily depending on which assist your turn off or on, and also only further divides the community leaderboards for a game that's already all over the place with its focus.
At the end of the day you're going to stick to the settings you prefer in order to be competitive, and all that host of options you mentioned are simply going to be left alone. It's classic case of jack of all trades, master of none.
Meanwhile DC focuses strictly on pitting the players with the same set of tools in a persistent online infrastructure that tracks everything you accomplish instantaneously with the same amount of event types, circuit race, rally, time attack, drift, etc... It's focused design vs amusement park design.
But, oh, FH2 let's you play tag with supercars in a cornfield with tuning options. Yeah, that's the racing GOAT right there.
I was adding that a game the size of DC can not be completed in 2 years, especially as they built a new engine.
I don't care about disingenuous people, only those who are of the ilk to be convinced by 70 type review 'consensus' over legitimate experience.
This is the clearest case of modern game reviewers simply being completely disconnected with all the things that made a genre great from yesteryear, and then profoundly failing to realize that all those things remain great. Not only that, DriveClub improves on many of those classic features in ways that do make a difference - astounding visuals, decently integrated social mechanics - and combine to make any genre classic fan seriously fall in love.
This is a game which clearly understands compelling racing only comes at the end of solid mechanics and good track design, and DriveClub has some of the best racing mechanics I've encountered in years. They'd probably make a child's nursery rhyme about how perfectly DriveClub nailed the fundamentals. And then it's all put to service in some seriously great fashion - your skills vs. extremely aggressive and intelligent A.I., and you win or lose based squarely on how you apply your skill set on the track. The tracks don't have loops, but they are filled with interesting lines and curves and have never once made me 'bored.'
I guess today's racing games requires, I dunno, fucking purple mascots dancing on the side and fucking speed boosts that let you do backflips and fucking tricks and shit or open world in order to be considered appropriate "modern" affair. And there's totally a place for that, I love my racing games like Wipeout and F-Zero, and I'm super in love with Forza Horizon 2 (I love DriveClub almost as much as FH2 so far, but different flavors of ice cream entirely. Not to be compared).
But DriveClub delivers a different type of racing game, one borne from a more classic foundation, one where bullshit is placed off to one side and what's in front of you is phenomenal simcade mechanics which you can master with some skill, and a litany of challenges for which you can apply your skills. There's nothing in between you and mastery but your skill, and in the meaningful sense: there is a real feeling of improvement that is extremely well maintained throughout ones playtime. It doesn't feel like so many games today where there is basically no skill motivation at all, or where it comes in fits and goes, or where it's extremely unbalanced. And there's so few racing games - or games at all - that are as straightforward anymore.
Reviews keep using that sort of thing as a euphemism to mean "not next-gen enough", but in my view it's completely embarrassing bullshit. This is as next-gen as any game I played, and that means: fucking fantastic gameplay with the best racing visuals ever on a console.
There's no problem at all to dislike the game, and I always ignore media reviews as it is (i only read trusted GAFer reviews. A trusted GAFer gets on my list -only- after I reviewed a game I liked or hated, and that GAFer disagreed with me. But that disagreement is done in a way that shows a supreme command of critiques, where one can say 'I can respect your point of view even though we've come to different conclusions'), but this is the clearest case yet of game reviewers reviewing the game they wish it was rather than what it actually is.
Try it out and see if it's for you. PS+ makes that possible. Subvert mass market review consensus and decide for yourself. DriveClub deserves it.
Ridge Racer is awesome. :|
The funniest thing about that article is that Jonathan Leack also reviewed both games for the site, and already rated Forza Horizon 2 much higher (9.5 for FH2 vs 5.5 for DC). The article seems a bit redundant, other than to make sure people know that he thinks FH2 is the much better game.
That's absolutely contrary to my impressions though. DC does nothing to differentiate itself from the rest of streamlined simcade racers apart from "let's up the visuals to the absolute highest level we can", imo.
It's bare bones, devoid of any presentation, with bad crash mechanics and an unintelligent penalty system.
But hopefully enough people give it a go and Evo can make another MS, that was exciting.
Hopefully enough people give it a go that they can make Driveclub 2. It's already better than any of the Motorstorm games.
It's about time Evolution got a chance to make a Gran Turismo. They're a far more efficient developer then PD, and a lot more modern as well.
ProvenDeadly
Member
GiantBomb
2/5
2/5
Red Chocobo
Banned
They made a nice looking arcade racer. But let's not go nuts here.
Chobel
Member
Jesus Dude! Can't you read?
"... around 2011, Evolution was at risk of shutdown... thus couldn't afford to start development on any large scale project [like DC]...because RC was a success [in 2012] ...Evolution got a second lease in life [DC started]"
Ouch!
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I see DC as a competitive service/platform. To design it the way it is wasn't only ballsy but genius .
As it's the case with brilliant ideas some will acknowledge them and others will laugh then off.
A fully fledged series of racing events with a steep difficulty spike with a car selection that ramps up in performance commensurately to the campaign, it's not exactly barebones. Not to mention the events are fully customizable into solo or club challenges.
And the presentation is sleek, accessible and intuitive, backed with an excellent musical score.
Please explain what entails bad crash mechanics and " unintelligent" penalty system.
Mushroomer25
Member
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
DC wasn't started right after M:RC not even close.
The whole team was shifted around and built again. Its 2+ years of dev time
ProvenDeadly
Member
DriveClub OT2: Maybe after a few Evolutions we can get a good game
Please don't be mad
Jeff's one of the few that actually did not like how the game plays, at least.
Memorabilia
Member
I'm not seeing the option to download the free PS+ version anywhere on PSN. The only option I can find is the $49.99 PS+ Exclusive version to purchase. Is the free version a time delay release like other PS+ offerings throughout the month or am I missing something?
I can read just fine, but don't agree with what he says. Unless a link can be provided?
Not up yet.
Isn't out yet. No clue when it will be.
Also, does this game really only have 55 cars? Are they at least of different makes/origins or is that Crave Online correct in them being mostly European?
LOL, that's pretty good.
Although I need DC to succeed so Evo doesn't get shut down. They need to make a next gen open world Motorstorm.
why it gotta be open world man Motorstorm track design was stellar
Open world? Please no, the original track design was fine as it was.
Everything has to be open world these days. I sure can't wait for an open world pool game and be able to walk from the table to the rest rooms to jack myself off.
/yells at cloud
The sun will explode first.
Ingueferroque
Banned
This review astonishes me, completely at odds with my own experience, especially the controls.
GHG
Member
Ok this got me:
The "old dark days" like when we had real racing games like TOCA, Colin McRae, a real Le Mans game, authentic F1 games, RBR? And then arcade racers like PGR, Ridge Racer, V Rally? Yeh ok Jeff... You can go back into your hole/cave now.
Sorry the game isn't noob friendly enough for you.
That's all I have to say. What sad times we live in.
Memorabilia
Member
It may well turn out to be genius once the game is fleshed out. But, the problem is they are essentially releasing the game in an episodic fashion but charging a full retail price for only the first chapter, so to speak, with only vague promises that you will see more content later...most of which you will still have to pay for (tho they may throw us a free promo bone here n there).
Ultimately, the end result is that value-minded buyers like myself see this as less "genius" than simple "nickel dimey". I'm not in the habit of paying full retail for most completed games, let alone ones that feel unfinished and bare-bones. See: Destiny.
As someone else mentioned earlier in this thread, its getting to the point where one begins to wonder if there is really any point to buying games at launch anymore. The "genius" of it all seems only a way to milk consumers for more money by essentially charging ~$100 or more for the "full experience" over time. So, in essence it feels like nothing more than new sales models designed to raise the price of games from $60 upwards to double that or more without letting on the price has been raised.
Edit: I'll give it a chance when the free PS+ version drops. But I really only need one current Gen racer. The FH2 demo is incredibly fun and with the game basically being "complete" for the retail price without the need for further purchases DC has some tough competition for my $$$. Given the micro-transaction hot mess that was Forza 5 I never thought in a million years I'd likely get another Forza game instead of DC...but it is what it is.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Blargh
Why can't they have both modes in the game? You need to understand that pure track
arcade racers just don't cut it these days, unless they are sims like GT/Forza/PC.
DC is so limited from car selections, customization and gameplay options. This literally
feels like a launch game despite the year delay.
FH2 has set the bar for the arcade genre, standards have changed.