I've actually lugged around my PS3 to my friend's house, not because he doesn't have one, but to avoid the pain of installing and updating my games on his system.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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I've actually lugged around my PS3 to my friend's house, not because he doesn't have one, but to avoid the pain of installing and updating my games on his system.
Scratching my head at people saying that they will move to the PS4 when yet the same rumors have been said about the PS4 as well.
Overall, I always buy games new since used games aren't really that much cheaper in price (especially with sales and $10 having to be added to some used games for online passes; a lot of used games are only $10-15 less in price anyway).
But, I can definitely understand people who are upset by this if they find a lot of deals (whether in store or online) for used games or if they share games with friends.
Overall, I hope that it isn't true but at the same time so many of these retail games are getting very expensive to make and we have seen many studios close down... Makes news like this a bit more believable. We'll see.
Overall, I always buy games new since used games aren't really that much cheaper in price (especially with sales and $10 having to be added to some used games for online passes; a lot of used games are only $10-15 less in price anyway).
But, I can definitely understand people who are upset by this if they find a lot of deals (whether in store or online) for used games or if they share games with friends.
Overall, I hope that it isn't true but at the same time so many of these retail games are getting very expensive to make and we have seen many studios close down... Makes news like this a bit more believable. We'll see.
Still, it doesn't justify anything in my humble opinion.
I absolutely will not buy a console that doesn't allow me to play used games, and that requires an internet connection. I intended on getting the 720 but if Microsoft chooses to go this route and Sony doesn't, I'll be getting a PS4, and if they both do, then I guess its Wii U and PC all the way.
Here's how the one game per system locking thing could possibly work.
So the new Playstation system is supposed to allow multiple user accounts to sign on at the same time. So in theory, if you want to go over to your friend's house to play your new game and not have to lug your huge ass system along with you, all you gotta do is sign in at your friend's house and the Playstation will recognize the fact that you own the game, and allow the game to be played.
No?
So the new Playstation system is supposed to allow multiple user accounts to sign on at the same time. So in theory, if you want to go over to your friend's house to play your new game and not have to lug your huge ass system along with you, all you gotta do is sign in at your friend's house and the Playstation will recognize the fact that you own the game, and allow the game to be played.
No?
Thats easy retail won't let Sony and MS under cut them in pricing. Also steam sales are subsidized by console gamers buying games at 59.99.
I doubt the reason these people don't have internet really matters to MS. All they see is numbers.
I'm sure MS has ears into other markets, and maybe the expansion of high speed internet is happening at a pace where they feel they can cut off these people now, but will eventually get to them in a reasonable time.
Oh you
Lots of people. Especially kids, either don't have high speed internet or don't have their console connected to it. As others have said, the only way to make this work is if both Sony and MS do it, otherwise, it is the kiss of death. If no one is evangelizing your system, you have a problem. If MS is the only system doing this, it's over for them.
SteveWinwood
Member
PC WINS FOREVER
If there's a Steam-like DD market where titles get big deals in some occasions, then the no second-hand games thing would be not as bad as without a Steam-like DD market. This for people who get the console and have a good online connection. But it still isn't good for the console market to block borrowing / buying used: not all people have online connections / high speed connections / are interested in downloading big games right now (it'll change in the future for sure, but it's not the right time now to "force" the change). On PC it's possible because having a PC = having an Internet connection + so many stores from where to buy (Steam, GOG, indie stores, etc.). It's a pretty different environment, MS/Sony can't apply similar policies that easily, there's an entire world damaged in this way.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So? You honestly think 3rd parties would flat out stop making games for Sony's system if they refused? I don't.
The benefits for Sony would be enormous and the money lost by not putting out games on both systems would eventually have 3rd parties crawling right back.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
If(when?) this turns out to be true, both the always online and the no used part have me going strictly PC next gen.
Sigh.
Sigh.
plutoknight
Member
Considering how behind America is in Broadband deployment, I'd say those people in rural markets might just miss this console generation
quickwhips
Member
HAHA Microsoft R DOOMED! Am I don't it right? Seriously this is the same on pcs so don't try to act like it isn't. If xbox is doing this then I'm sure PS is as well. I'm sure developers have let them know either do it or we go exclusive to the console that does....it would make alot of sense. At least at the end of the day this might kill gamestop and stop preorder bonuses
JK this probably will suck but I don't think its true.
I think anyone who doesn't just want the newest and greatest does this. Sure, that doesn't work a lot for these companies who just want us to buy their new products, so removing all second-hand sales sort of forces us to play their game. Which I won't do.
dreamer3kx
Member
Its all about the games, theres plenty of exclusives on consoles, can I play all the Sony exclusives on a pc, hell no.
Neuromancer
Member
Xbox Live has never gone down for you?
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No thanks, especially with that stupid ass image.
My issue is more with the online always/DRM.
But that said, why would anyone WANT this. As a consumer, I don't get why you would want this. For those talking from a business sense, okay. I can understand that. What consumers want, and what companies need aren't always the same thing. But I see people defending this as if it's something they really want. And I find that strange.
And on that note, again - I don't see what MS is (supposedly) doing as a direct = to what other markets are doing. Apparently you do.
I don't buy a lot of used games, but I do trade in everything I purchase. Once I'm done with a game, away it goes and the credit will go towards something typically new. I do purchase used games occasionally, and I have no shame about that.
If I have to now throw games away? Uck, I can't say that would leave me with a very good feeling.
I have no issues with digital downloads. I don't have to 'see' the clutter.
As has been brought up, this also feels really anti-consumer. Regardless of how big or small the issue actually is, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and for that reason alone I will pass on any consoles that do this. Yes, Steam is DRM, but they make it easier to swallow and it doesn't have the same feeling. This is hypocritical of me, I realize, but as the consumer it's entirely within my rights to purchase what I wish to.
Hopefully Sony does not follow suit, though I am prepared to pass on both consoles and simply stick with PC gaming should they do so, though I'll miss the console exclusives.
If I have to now throw games away? Uck, I can't say that would leave me with a very good feeling.
I have no issues with digital downloads. I don't have to 'see' the clutter.
As has been brought up, this also feels really anti-consumer. Regardless of how big or small the issue actually is, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and for that reason alone I will pass on any consoles that do this. Yes, Steam is DRM, but they make it easier to swallow and it doesn't have the same feeling. This is hypocritical of me, I realize, but as the consumer it's entirely within my rights to purchase what I wish to.
Hopefully Sony does not follow suit, though I am prepared to pass on both consoles and simply stick with PC gaming should they do so, though I'll miss the console exclusives.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Probably a market research rumour to see how people would react, then use it to market why they won't pursue such an option.
JimmyRustler
Member
You had to buy the console first - and those were always around 400 $ at launch. Not something people with a lot of money can afford.
Also, it used to be a lot harder to buy the games you want used than today. Don't we we forget that. Before: Ask friends, go to videostores, go to cheap markets; Now: Type name of the game in Ebay
I always said it and I'll say it again: If I would have had the possibilities to get used games as a kid like I have them now, I would have been swimming in games. Instead however 95% I had to either go to the video store or buy them new.
If Sony doesn't do this at launch, I'm sure they'll move to it mid-gen after they've won over the Xbox defecters in bait-and-switch fashion.
It stops you from playing the game online so yeah it does. Can I borrow a game from a friend and play it for free?
BibiMaghoo
Member
I would imagine that keys for the games will be made available.
Like an online pass but in every game available.
I think blocking used sales altogether will bring serious trouble for them.
Like an online pass but in every game available.
I think blocking used sales altogether will bring serious trouble for them.
Probably right but I hope not. With speculation the next Xbox may not play BR movies as well it sounds like MS is trying to lock this thing tighter than a mug. Worse than this gen.
Then add in the weaker HW.
Really starting to not appeal to me at all beyond the hope of BC.
Better have some amazing SW Microsoft is all I got to say.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Please tell me that you're joking, and you're not really this disgusting.
Why would EDGE do that though?
Yeah exactly. Wouldn't make sense.
vincent vega
Member
I Guess I'll be primarily a wii u gamer.
At least it has some good games coming out.
I always wait a few weeks and get my games used on amazon for ~$20 cheaper
At least it has some good games coming out.
I always wait a few weeks and get my games used on amazon for ~$20 cheaper
Apparently all those people aren't part of MS's "big picture". Not sure what that "big picture" is but it seems to involve cutting off a significant portion of your userbase.
The US press helped MS through the RRoD already, they'll manage to help them through this transformative period. How can you not be excited? I already felt more connected when signing in to XBL. It's the only service that lets me know what's up with new games, movies and friends (with those cute avatars ). A permanent connection will only increase my nearness to the best online service in the industry. And no used games will surely give publishers the incentive to make deeper, more risky and more ambitious games. It's a win-win situation, you know it's the truthiness.
). A permanent connection will only increase my nearness to the best online service in the industry. And no used games will surely give publishers the incentive to make deeper, more risky and more ambitious games. It's a win-win situation, you know it's the truthiness.peanutbutterlatte
Member
... I think I've massively misunderstood you. Are you for used games, or against?
I'm for.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
You guys are going to stomp your foots down about this and honestly so am I but your not looking at this logically if you think the end result will be less money for them. They will absolutely reap a higher return on day one if they start this policy.
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
Pretty much this - if this turns out to be true for MS and Sony.
Sony already has something else in place which they can use to track/prevent used sales, without requiring always online. They have tags embeded in the discs. I also do not think Sony will be 100% anti used games. I think they will ask you to buy a "package" of DLC off the store for $10 or so to "unlock" the disc. Otherwise when you put the disc in it will only play a portion, which then tells you to unlock the rest as it is a "used" game. I'm also not entirely sure the discs will be bound to a single console. They could be bound to a single account, and any console you login can use that disc as long as the disc is registered to that account.
At least from the diagrams we have, the console will have a local account. There would be no need for a local account if the console required a "always online" architecture, as you could just log in to your online profile.
Let's say I buy there console knowing that I cannot re-sell the game this will translate into less game sales in the end which will mean less profits for everyone. I don't know why they would want to go down this road.
Hellsing321
Member
Hahahahahaha If Sony implements its bullshit second hand game patent I may be skipping next gen entirely.