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European Parliament Elections 2014 |OT| The Undemocratic EU is Actually Elected

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Between the 22rd and 25th of May all roughly 400 M eligible voters across the European Union are asked to elect
all 751 Members of the European Parliament.

Map of European Parliament constituencies
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The Lisbon Treaty, which entered into force on 1 December 2009, provides that the European Parliament shall
elect the president of the European Commission on the basis of a proposal made by the European Council,
taking into account the European elections (article 17, paragraph 7 of the Treaty on European Union). This
provision will apply for the first time for the 2014 elections.
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Every member state has their own political parties. As it would cause major fracturing into hundreds of different
parties within the European Parliament were they all to stand by themselves the different parties usually join up
into so-called groups. These will usually combine parties of similar political convictions from many different
member states. The current parliament has 7 groups with 736 parliamentarians; the remaining 30 are non-attached-
members.


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The Group of the European People's Party (EPP), is a centre-right political group in the European Parliament.
The EPP Group is made up of MEPs elected from the lists of member parties of the European People's Party (EPP).
While the European People's Party is an umbrella party of national-level political parties from across the continent
of Europe, the Group is made up of representatives of parties in member states of the European Union only, who have
been elected in their country to represent them in the European Parliament. The group comprises politicians of
Christian democratic and conservative orientation.
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The Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D) is the political group in the European Parliament
of the Party of European Socialists (PES). The group dates its ancestry via various names back to the beginning of
the European Parliament in 1953. Until the 1999 European election it was the largest group in Parliament. S&D is
currently the second-largest group in the European Parliament and adopted its present-day name on 23 June 2009.
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The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Group (ALDE/ADLE) is the current liberal–centrist political
group of the European Parliament. It is made up of MEPs from two European political parties, the Alliance of Liberals
and Democrats for Europe Party (formerly the European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party) and the European
Democratic Party, which collectively form the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe.
ALDE is one of the three oldest Groups, dating its unofficial origin back to September 1952 and the first meeting
of the Parliament's predecessor, the Common Assembly. Founded as an explicitly Liberal Group, it has expanded its
remit to cover the different centrist traditions of each new Member State as they acceded to the Union,
progressively changing its name in the process.
The pro-European platform of the group espouses neoliberal economics, and support for European integration and
the European single market.
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The Greens/European Free Alliance (Greens/EFA) is the political group in the European Parliament containing
green and regionalist political parties.
The Greens/EFA group consists of two distinct European political parties – the European Green Party (EGP) and the
European Free Alliance (EFA). The EFA consists of parties representing stateless nations, regionalist and minority
political interests. The Alliance has generally limited its membership to progressive parties. These European
parties are joined by national parties, such as the Dutch Europe Transparent (between 2004 and 2009) and the
Swedish Pirate Party (since 2009).
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The European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) is a conservative, anti-federalist and Eurosceptic political
group in the European Parliament. The group currently comprises 57 MEPs, making it the fifth-largest group in the
European Parliament.
Founded after the June 2009 European elections, it is based on the Movement for European Reform. The largest
parties in the group are the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom, Law and Justice (PiS) and Poland Together
(PRJG) of Poland, and the Civic Democratic Party (ODS) of the Czech Republic. Most of the member parties joined
from the European Democrats section of the EPP-ED and the Union for Europe of the Nations.
In the media, the group is described as centre-right to right-wing. It is more eurosceptic than the three largest
groups, but less than the hard eurosceptic EFD. It is affiliated to the Alliance of European Conservatives and
Reformists Europarty, but also includes the sole ECPM MEP.
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European United Left/Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) is a left-wing political group in the European Parliament
established in 1995. The group comprises political parties of mostly socialist and communist orientation.
According to its 1994 constituent declaration, the group is opposed to the present European political structure,
but committed to integration. That declaration sets out three aims for the construction of another Europe: the
total change of institutions to make them "fully democratic"; and breaking with "neo-liberal monetarist policies";
and a policy of co-development and equitable cooperation. The group wants to disband NATO and "strengthen the
OSCE".The group is ambiguous between reformism and revolution, leaving it up to each party to decide on the
manner theydeem best suited to achieve these aims. As such, it has simultaneously positioned itself as
"insiders" within theEuropean institutions, enabling it to influence the decisions made by co-decision,
and as "outsiders" by itswillingness to seek "another Union" which would abolish the Maastricht Treaty.
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Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) is a right-wing Eurosceptic political group in the European Parliament.
Formed after the European parliamentary election in 2009, the EFD group is mostly made up of elements of the
now-defunct Independence/Democracy and Union for a Europe of Nations groups from the outgoing parliament.
The group is a coalition of ten political parties – the largest being the UK Independence Party (UKIP) with eleven
seats and the Italian Northern League, with nine seats – along with one independent. EFD is the most hostile to
European integration among the groups in the European Parliament. It is considered to belong to the right-wing
to far-right part of the political spectrum.
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The European Parliament (abbreviated as Europarl or the EP) is the directly elected parliamentary institution of
the European Union (EU). Together with the Council of the European Union (the Council) and the European Commission,
it exercises the legislative function of the EU and it has been described (by its own members) as one of the most
powerful legislatures in the world. The Parliament is composed of 766 members, who represent the second largest
democratic electorate in the world (after the Parliament of India) and the largest trans-national democratic
electorate in the world (375 million eligible voters in 2009).

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No pan-European opinion polls are carried out, however several institutes have compiled predictions of the
outcome of the elections based on national polls.

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There is no uniform voting system for the election of MEPs; rather, each member state is free to choose its
own system, subject to three restrictions:
  • The system must be a form of proportional representation, under either the party list or the single
    transferable vote system.
  • The electoral area may be subdivided if this will not generally affect the proportional nature of
    the voting system.
  • Any election threshold at the national level must not exceed five percent.
The allocation of seats to each member state is based on the principle of degressive proportionality, so
that, while the size of the population of each country is taken into account, smaller states elect more
MEPs than is proportional to their populations. As the numbers of MEPs to be elected by each country have
arisen from treaty negotiations, there is no precise formula for the apportionment of seats among member
states. No change in this configuration can occur without the unanimous consent of all governments.

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Dougald

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I like voting in the EU elections, thanks to it actually having a proportional system, it means I'm less likely to be throwing my vote away

Depressing that this gets no coverage in the UK, I didn't even know there was an election coming up - I normally find out when my polling card shows up.
 
I like voting in the EU elections, thanks to it actually having a proportional system, it means I'm less likely to be throwing my vote away

Depressing that this gets no coverage in the UK, I didn't even know there was an election coming up - I normally find out when my polling card shows up.

It'll be all over the news when UKIP inevitably does well :(
 

Dougald

Member
It'll be all over the news when UKIP inevitably does well :(

The people who vote UKIP claim to hate EU policy, yet they vote for a Party that doesn't even bother to vote on EU policy. I wouldn't mind as much if UKIP bothered to participate beyond voting no to any vote they mistakenly find themselves at, or pocketing taxpayer money and not bothering to show up.
 
In italy the political campaign has already started, and this time Berlusconi can't even be candidated, should make things a little cleaner for actual parties.
I'll vote for the democratic party, it's currently our best bet (which is not saying much in the first place...).
 

Matt_

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I like voting in the EU elections, thanks to it actually having a proportional system, it means I'm less likely to be throwing my vote away

Depressing that this gets no coverage in the UK, I didn't even know there was an election coming up - I normally find out when my polling card shows up.

Yeah its so true.
I had no idea that there were separate parties to vote for in this election. With all the news about UKIP getting voted in I just assumed in was standard political parties
 

Moosichu

Member
I didnt even know about this. Very interested because I can vote now. So the Greens/EFA group consists of both Environmentaly aware parties and independance party. So if I want Scotland to remain part of the UK and I want less CO2 in the air who do I vote for? Or have I got it wrong?

Can some people please explain which group they will vote for and why so I can see some opininions.
 

TeddyBoy

Member
Looking at the parties ALDE seems to match my own beliefs the most.

I don't suppose you know where we can vote for this? Will it likely be in the same place I voted for the British parliament? I've never voted in the Euro parliament elections before.

Why isn't the European parliament seen as democratic either? I take it this isn't the first election yet a lot of British people seem to say the European parliament is just controlled by businesses.
 

Dougald

Member
If you're in the UK, you vote at a polling station. This would generally be the same one you would vote in General Elections and Council Elections - you should receive a polling card with the address on it. Just turn up and vote, you don't need ID, though bringing the polling card will help speed things along. You also don't have to say jack to the campaigners at the door pressuring you for your voter number (which is all they can ask anyway)

The voting prodecure is slightly different as it's proportional representation, so you can generally vote for up to (3? I think?) candidates, and it's pooled.
 

RJT

Member
Had no idea this was going to be such a close race. The head of the Comission should be the leader of the party with most votes, that would make the elections much more interesting.

As it is, I know that only national matters will be discussed in the campaign, not European ones...
 
Had no idea this was going to be such a close race. The head of the Comission should be the leader of the party with most votes, that would make the elections much more interesting.

As it is, I know that only national matters will be discussed in the campaign, not European ones...

A new thing with this election is the head of the commission is indeed meant to reflect the results of the election, so this should happen...
 

Matt_

World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
I didnt even know about this. Very interested because I can vote now. So the Greens/EFA group consists of both Environmentaly aware parties and independance party. So if I want Scotland to remain part of the UK and I want less CO2 in the air who do I vote for? Or have I got it wrong?

Can some people please explain which group they will vote for and why so I can see some opininions.

I may be completely wrong but I dont think the Euro elections have any effect on Scotland's independence. That will be a separate referendum vote in September(?) for the Scottish people.
 
Love the thread title.

People are often lied to, or like to perpetuate the lie dat the EU is "undemocratic", while you can't get much more democratic than the EU Parliament elections.
 

Sneds

Member
Love the thread title.

People are often lied to, or like to perpetuate the lie dat the EU is "undemocratic", while you can't get much more democratic than the EU Parliament elections.

The Parliament is democratic but the rest of the EU body isn't. And the Parliament doesn't have a great deal of power.
 

Dougald

Member
The Parliament is democratic but the rest of the EU body isn't. And the Parliament doesn't have a great deal of power.

So your complaint is that the other institutions aren't directly elected, but are composed of ministers appointed by the democratically elected governments of EU member states?
 
I hope we'll beat the abstention record of 2009 this year.

I will not vote because it's in bad taste. But if I happened to feel like voting, in some sort of sudden democratic frenzy, I'd pick a euroskeptic party like UKIP or whatever the French equivalent is, for a simple reason: it's the lesser evil.

The big parties have a europhile vision, supporting the European super-government which makes everyone happy because it's the sense of History. It's an orwellian vision. Euroskeptics support the subsidiarity principle and local liberties, so for a libertarian such as myself it would be the one useful vote.
 

Sneds

Member
So your complaint is that the other institutions aren't directly elected, but are composed of ministers appointed by the democratically elected governments of EU member states?

I'm in favour of more direct democracy, yes. The Commission should be elected by the public.
 

Dougald

Member
Same for the House of Lords and the like then?


Actually I agree with you. We either need to get people more involved in the EU by treating it less as a group of nations, and let these positions be directly elected (or appointed by the EU parliament), or give up. The EU is still some weird mix of trading block and political entity
 
How is the European economy going?

How long before we'll see a large scale recovery?

I don't think integration will get back on track until the times are good again.
 
I'm in favour of more direct democracy, yes. The Commission should be elected by the public.
The commission needs to go, we need a government that is formed from the elected parliament.

I didnt even know about this. Very interested because I can vote now. So the Greens/EFA group consists of both Environmentaly aware parties and independance party. So if I want Scotland to remain part of the UK and I want less CO2 in the air who do I vote for? Or have I got it wrong?

Can some people please explain which group they will vote for and why so I can see some opininions.

The Green/EFA might contain say the SNP, but it's not separatist or such as a whole.
You have to keep in mind the Greens/EFA Group is made up by multiple European parties (e.g. European Green Party), which in turn are made up of multiple national parties (e.g. Green Party of England and Wales).
On your ballot in the UK you will not be able to choose Greens/EFA, instead you will choose between the green party the SNP and plaid cymru. Of course you will also be able to vote for Labour, Conservatives, LibDem, UKIP ect... these are all part of other groups. e.g. Labour is part of the S&D group.
Also there is no guarantee that the groups as they are now will continue to be as after the election. It is plausible that all the green parties make their own only green group, I don't think it's likely though.
You should just check out the various sites to see what the parties and sub parties stand for.

Me personally I have been a member of the green party for over 10 years I will vote for the green party in Germany and hope that the Green Party (on a European level) does well!
I vote green because I think it is important that we conserve the environment, adopt a more sustainable lifestyle, have a more social and open society without xenophobia and class warfare. I opose nuclear power and think we should invest heavily in renewable energy in order to be independant from resource rich countries and global prices.
 

Sneds

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Same for the House of Lords and the like then?


Actually I agree with you. We either need to get people more involved in the EU by treating it less as a group of nations, and let these positions be directly elected (or appointed by the EU parliament), or give up. The EU is still some weird mix of trading block and political entity

Yes, the House of Lords certainly needs to be elected.

I'm in favour of European integration but feel as though the EU itself is in need of reform.
 
I'm in favour of European integration but feel as though the EU itself is in need of reform.

A vast majority of pro europeans will unquestioninably agree that the EU needs reform on multiple levels. But not anywhere close to what David might try to
and fail to
achieve.
 

Sneds

Member
A vast majority of pro europeans will unquestioninably agree that the EU needs reform on multiple levels. But not anywhere close to what David might try to
and fail to
achieve.

Well Cameron doesn't want reform of EU democracy so much as his Party just want the EU to relinquish some if its power to the UK Parliament. Funnily enough one of the EU policies the Tories most want to get rid of is the working-time directive but I'm strongly in favour of that particular policy.
 
Well Cameron doesn't want reform of EU democracy so much as his Party just want the EU to relinquish some if its power to the UK Parliament. Funnily enough one of the EU policies the Tories most want to get rid of is the working-time directive but I'm strongly in favour of that particular policy.

Exactly.
I want the Institutions reformed to be more democratic and accountable. Which both requires and is a requirement of further successfull integration.
I cannot see the rest of the EU giving Cameron any serious reform that returns power to London. As everyone else sees the solution to the recent problems in closer ties and more harmonisation rather than less.
 
How is the European economy going?

How long before we'll see a large scale recovery?

I don't think integration will get back on track until the times are good again.

Until german export don't see a consistent reduction, we won't have a recovery. The only way to get out is to abandon austerity and start printing money to boost the economy and make the debt we took from the banks meaningless, but the rethoric we see to this day is debt reduction->???->profit!

It's kind of funny how people still take growth predictions seriously, we have been told for years that "growth is coming! Next year for sure!", "just lower your debt and you'll be fine!".

...I don't like watching economic news these days.
 

G.O.O.

Member
Important elections right here, and still most people won't give a shit (then again our government isn't exactly doing much to get us interested)

OP, you could add that we'll also vote for the president of the EU commission, and maybe a list of the candidates ?
 

Jacobi

Banned
Important elections right here, and still most people won't give a shit (then again our government isn't exactly doing much to get us interested)

OP, you could add that we'll also vote for the president of the EU commission, and maybe a list of the candidates ?
People don't give a shit because EU institutes looove to work in secret (so democratic right)? For example the EU commission barely worked together with the parliament in developing TTIP. And how often do you read about the EU on the news although most bills come from the EU?
 
Important elections right here, and still most people won't give a shit (then again our government isn't exactly doing much to get us interested)

OP, you could add that we'll also vote for the president of the EU commission, and maybe a list of the candidates ?

Good idea, kinda forgot about that, mind you we don't directly vote for the president.
He or she is elected by parliament!

Ps. there is a part of the official website where you can seen what parties match your views


My results.
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G.O.O.

Member
People don't give a shit because EU institutes looove to work in secret (so democratic right)? For example the EU commission barely worked together with the parliament in developing TTIP. And how often do you read about the EU on the news although most bills come from the EU?
That's why having the president of the commission being elected matters. The parliament deserves more weight and actually does good things, while the commission is only accountable to head of states that will do anything in order to keep power in their hands.
 

Jasup

Member
I've participated in two candidates' campaigns, one is local (and a MEP) and the other's a long time friend. Both are running for the S&D group, and I'd really like to see a turn to the left in the EU politics after a decade of conservative rule.

And indeed, it needs to be said that every party has their own candidate for the presidency of European Commission. Ours is Martin Schulz.
 

Jasup

Member
Good idea, kinda forgot about that, mind you we don't directly vote for the president.
He or she is elected by parliament!

Ps. there is a part of the official website where you can seen what parties match your views
link here

Thanks for this one. Could you perhaps add it to the OP?

And my results are not really that surprising, given that I'm a PES member and all:
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MacNille

Banned
So this is my match. Doesn't surprise me.
EP political group My match
Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
67%
Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament
Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament
53%
Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democrats)
Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democrats)
47%
Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance
Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance
40%
Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group
Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group
40%
European Conservatives and Reformists Group
European Conservatives and Reformists Group
33%
Confederal Group of the European United Left - Nordic Green Left
Confederal Group of the European United Left - Nordic Green Left
27%
 

Jacobi

Banned
That's why having the president of the commission being elected matters. The parliament deserves more weight and actually does good things, while the commission is only accountable to head of states that will do anything in order to keep power in their hands.

It's gonna be most likely Juncker, which is a fucking crook...
 

Dascu

Member
It's gonna be most likely Juncker, which is a fucking crook...

Doubt it. Word is he doesn't even want the position and would rather be head of European Council. He's not the person to lead a big bureaucratic system like the Commission. I'm placing my bets on Schulz.

People don't give a shit because EU institutes looove to work in secret (so democratic right)? For example the EU commission barely worked together with the parliament in developing TTIP. And how often do you read about the EU on the news although most bills come from the EU?
TTIP, which is still in an early negotiation phase, is like any treaty in any country something that is negotiated by the executive powers. The Parliament is still gonna have to say Yes or No at the end of the line, so even if they're not involved strongly in the negotiations yet, they will be eventually and have the final say. Besides, what would you expect at this point? A parliamentary vote on every agenda point?
 

G.O.O.

Member
I've participated in two candidates' campaigns, one is local (and a MEP) and the other's a long time friend. Both are running for the S&D group, and I'd really like to see a turn to the left in the EU politics after a decade of conservative rule.

And indeed, it needs to be said that every party has their own candidate for the presidency of European Commission. Ours is Martin Schulz.
Where are we with this left wing coalition business, by the way ?
 

Jasup

Member
That's why having the president of the commission being elected matters. The parliament deserves more weight and actually does good things, while the commission is only accountable to head of states that will do anything in order to keep power in their hands.

I have to go back to this as this statement is not entirely true. One of the tasks of the parliament is to keep check on the commission and can call it to resign

But you're right having the president of the commission matters a great deal. Furthermore because the president of the commission is also a member of European Council of Ministers. And to have an elected official there is important indeed.

Where are we with this left wing coalition business, by the way ?
It's an idea that's been around for decades. In many countries there's still too much history separating the left, in others it's a reality. On European level - hard to say.

That's my informed opinion.
 

Nicktendo86

Member
Yes, the House of Lords certainly needs to be elected.

I'm in favour of European integration but feel as though the EU itself is in need of reform.

I, personally, don't want a fully elected house of lords at all. It would just represent the lower house party wise and legislation would sail through. We need experts of every field, politically neutral, to properly scrutinise legislation as it comes from the commons.

The house of lords thing is different to the European thing anyway, as the lords do not create legislation, they merely approve it which is the opposite to the EU parliament. The council make the legislation, the elected parliament just approve/reject it which seems completely backwards to me. The EU needs serious reform.

Edit: it is all so complicated, thinking about all the different councils, commissions etc makes my head hurt!
 

Dascu

Member
It's going to be interesting to see how the extremist right-wing parties ally and gain strength. Front National, Lega Nord, Golden Dawn and VVD have all been talking about forming one big anti-EU monster.
 

Jasup

Member
It's an idea that's been around for decades. In many countries there's still too much history separating the left, in others it's a reality. On European level - hard to say.

That's my informed opinion.

I'll add one more vague thing: There is loose co-operation between the parties on the left, they share history and much of the ideology, therefore it's easy for them to find policies they can agree and work together on. But there's still that divide and it all comes down to the ability to make compromises.

I'd say left wing coalition is unlikely to happen, but I'll have to ask someone who knows more.
 
As anyone who goes in the UK Poligaf thread, or otherwise has seen my posts on here, will know, I'm super into politics.

But when it comes to the EU elections, I really, really struggle to care.
 
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