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[enigmatic_alex44]

what the HELL am I reading in this thread???

People calling Cap 1 terrible? Newsflash, it's the best of the Phase 1 Marvel films outside of the Avengers, I love that film.

But worse, I saw someone call him "dudebro" and another say he's not on the level of Gosling and Leo? WTH? First of all, he's better than Gosling though that's not saying much, and for sure on the same level as Leo. Chris Evans is my #1 fave actor and that wouldn't be the case if he was a shitty actor with a "dudebro" persona (just watch even ONE of his interviews to see that's not the case btw). Very few actors are good enough for me to go and run out to see every one of their films, but Evans is on the top of the list for me. Even in bad movies like FF4 and Fierce People, he is always on point and stands out. People need to watch Snowpiercer, Puncture, even The Losers and Scott Pilgrim to see how wide his range is and he can pretty much do anything, comedy OR dark drama.

Ok I am done, I'm starting to feel like his publicist lol.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

I liked the montage in Cap 1. I felt like it was done to be like one of those propaganda shorts from the era, those that were done to encourage people to join the army. It felt right with how Cap America is both a weapon in the field and in the media that surrounds the war.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

what the HELL am I reading in this thread???

People calling Cap 1 terrible? Newsflash, it's the best of the Phase 1 Marvel films outside of the Avengers, I love that film.

But worse, I saw someone call him "dudebro" and another say he's not on the level of Gosling and Leo? WTH? First of all, he's better than Gosling though that's not saying much, and for sure on the same level as Leo. Chris Evans is my #1 fave actor and that wouldn't be the case if he was a shitty actor with a "dudebro" persona (just watch even ONE of his interviews to see that's not the case btw). Very few actors are good enough for me to go and run out to see every one of their films, but Evans is on the top of the list for me. Even in bad movies like FF4 and Fierce People, he is always on point and stands out. People need to watch Snowpiercer, Puncture, even The Losers and Scott Pilgrim to see how wide his range is and he can pretty much do anything, comedy OR dark drama.

Ok I am done, I'm starting to feel like his publicist lol.

Cap 1 was the only Marvel film to date that I enjoyed just as much the second time as I did the first.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

what the HELL am I reading in this thread???

People calling Cap 1 terrible? Newsflash, it's the best of the Phase 1 Marvel films outside of the Avengers, I love that film.

But worse, I saw someone call him "dudebro" and another say he's not on the level of Gosling and Leo? WTH? First of all, he's better than Gosling though that's not saying much, and for sure on the same level as Leo. Chris Evans is my #1 fave actor and that wouldn't be the case if he was a shitty actor with a "dudebro" persona (just watch even ONE of his interviews to see that's not the case btw). Very few actors are good enough for me to go and run out to see every one of their films, but Evans is on the top of the list for me. Even in bad movies like FF4 and Fierce People, he is always on point and stands out. People need to watch Snowpiercer, Puncture, even The Losers and Scott Pilgrim to see how wide his range is and he can pretty much do anything, comedy OR dark drama.

Ok I am done, I'm starting to feel like his publicist lol.

It had to be done.

Spoiler

I like Evans a lot, though. Extremely likable chap.

 

[watership]

I feel Evans wants to be something he's not, based on reading his personal interviews (GQ, Esquire, Hollywood). He's not going to be cast in movies like Gosling, Leo, Joaquin get. He's not that great of an actor, and his dudebro persona typecasts him into those kind of roles. At one point he made an effort not to do any movie with sex scenes or where he'd take his shirt off because his agent said that would help make him be taken seriously as an actor. The industry practically begged him to be Captain America, but he kept saying no because he wants more serious roles. He eventually agreed, and now based off his use of words and body language he likely regrets it.

Have you seen Street Kings, Snowpiercer or Sunshine? What about The Iceman? These are fantastic turns by Evans, and not dude-bro at all.

 

[Joe Prodigy]

Yep female Ghost Rider, Venom, X-23, and Rulk.

Oh snap! It really is a female Ghost Rider? And Venom has guns now? I might need to check this out. Is it any good?

Edit: to contribute to the thread, I think Evans is awesome. I was hyped when he was announced as Cap. Thought it was perfect casting.

I also believe Cap 1 was the best movie of Phaze 1.

 

[jelly]

Tempted to watch Captain America again after some comments here because first time I thought it was atrocious and laughable, some salute made me burst out laughing I'm sure.

As for Evans, he is a likable chap who has some presence on screen and his acting is okay, he failed miserably at the end the Snowpiercer though. Liked him in Sunshine but the scenes lend themselves to good drama rather than just great acting.

 

[Diprosalic]

As a big MCU fan I actually didn't know that Evans was in FF4. Those movies looked like shit so i avoided them.

 

[Fevaweva]

Captain America was a great film. Top five Marvel made superhero film for sure. Its just not as good as The Avengers, Iron Man or Iron Man 3. Thor is 5th.

 

[Mr Cola]

All the Marvel films suffer the same problem, they have great opening acts that make you think they are creating a compelling and unique character then they spend the second half of the film blowing stuff up, making the first half all but obsolete. Iron man to its credit held out for longer than most films, the Avengers was horrible in this regard. Now thats not to say that this isnt a viable strategy, or that the films should aim to be more Nolan than Transformers, they make money and people love the spectacle, but to me they are wasted opportunities to tell good stories. With all this in mind Thor 2 had both a terrible first and second half in my opinion, it felt like half the actors didnt want to be there at all.

They created a cool Universe in cap 1 with a chracter people could really relate to, if anything its my favourite part of the Marvel universe so far, but the second half is so weak, so devoid of any purpose other than "Cap is a badass grrr", at the end I just didnt care for the character anymore.

 

[neorej]

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the Cap movies were better than the FF-ones.

Because they aren't.

Giant Purple Cloud disagrees.

 

[Omegasquash]

I didn't bother watching either F4 film because the trailers and ads they ran looked like they'd be bad movies.

I watched Captain America a few times, and thought it was marvelous...and I can't wait to see Winter Soldier. Evans is awesome, and I hope he keeps up the good work. Seems like a really likeable guy, and damned if he doesn't pull off the role.

 

[bryanee]

Cap isn't a good movie, not by any stretch of the imagination but its better than the FF films.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Captain America 1 was a good movie, although, as someone else pointed out, it's like they cut a significant chunk of the movie out between the POW rescue scene and the train scene. I don't remember a goddamn thing about the first Fantastic Four movie.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Captain America has the grenade scene, that alone is miles better than the whole of the Fantastic Four movies.

Cap1 was a great movie with awesome music!

 

[Effect]

to be fair cap 1 isn't much better

Have to agree. A lot people hate the second Fantastic Four film but I still like the first one and it was far more enjoyable then Captain America. I got around of finally watching Captain America a few weeks ago so it's still fresh in my mind. Even watched it a second time when it came on. Out of all the pre-Avengers Marvel films it was the weakest one for me.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the Cap movies were better than the FF-ones.

Because they aren't.

Wait, including Winter Soldier?

Leave. Just go, Squiddy.

 

[LowerLevel]

Captain America has the grenade scene, that alone is miles better than the whole of the Fantastic Four movies.

Cap1 was a great movie with awesome music!

Yeah... you just won that argument for me as well. Just recently watched FF too... The grenade scene was better.

 

[JDSN]

I wouldnt feel so proud of being on Cap 1 either, but then again Evans put a lot of personality on the character when the montages werent playing. Fantastic Four was so shit that not even the Rifftrax was funny.

 

[Slayven]

Oh snap! It really is a female Ghost Rider? And Venom has guns now? I might need to check this out. Is it any good?

Edit: to contribute to the thread, I think Evans is awesome. I was hyped when he was announced as Cap. Thought it was perfect casting.

I also believe Cap 1 was the best movie of Phaze 1.

Not enough people read Flash Venom, any appearence of venom in the last 5 years.

Yeah she was Ghost rider for a minute, they got a kid one now.

 

[Zoe]

Yea Natalie Portman supposedly wasn't happy at all that they went with a different director in Thor 2; she wanted a female one in Patty Jenkins.

Wasn't Kenneth Branaugh the only reason she took the role in the first place?

 

[Blink Me]

I don't get the hate for Cap 1 I enjoyed it more than all the Iron Man movies I've seen and Thor. Only enjoyed the Avengers more. Cap was always my favourite Marvel character though.

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

to be fair cap 1 isn't much better

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

Cap 1 is one of the best superhero movies out there, the 1940's setting was portrayed beautifully, the tone of the film was probably the best and most correct out of any of them. If I was insane, I'd put it up there with Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers as good WWII film stuff.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I don't get the hate for Cap 1 I enjoyed it more than all the Iron Man movies I've seen and Thor. Only enjoyed the Avengers more. Cap was always my favourite Marvel character though.

I don't get it either, and thats from someone who wasn't a big Cap fan before the movie.
Its technically better than Avengers and Thor, and just better than Thor 2, Iron Man 2 & 3 in general.

 

[The Driver]

Imma chime in and say I thought the first Captain was bad also. It was just dull as hell, not really anything to do with Evans, I still think he's pretty great as Rogers. I just found it to be more of a movie trying too hard to bend over backwards with the callbacks to adventure films instead of trying to convey it's old school tone with it's characters alone and it ended up just being boring as fuck because the story wasn't that great, especially from the Red Skull's side.

Then there's the action scenes....or lack thereof. In the movie they mention something about "blah blah early Super Soldier serum" that Skull took to give him powers on par with Cap but with the way those two go at it, they are the lamest super soldiers ever. The Blonsky/Hulk university fight was more super soldiery and memorable than any action scene in Cap. Just because the battles where filmed coherently doesn't make them good.

Really the best thing about Cap was the present day ending. Those few minutes alone had more impact than the rest of the whole movie. The feels of knowing everyone you've ever loved or care for is dead and the world has completely moved on without you. Gotdamb.

To be honest tho, I'm still hesitant about the Winter Soldier just because Cap 1 was so average.

 

[Nerdkiller]

Any guy who liked the movie should be legally forced to have a vasectomy.

Nice to know Armond White made his way to GAF after losing his job as a mainstream film critic.

From the Marvel movies I've seen so far:

Iron Man: pretty good.
Iron Man 2: weaker, but still enjoyable.
Thor: what a bore.
Captain America: just pure fun, plain and simple. Also, better villain than Loki ever was (hell, Jim Carey played a better Loki in The Mask).
Avengers: meh. I was let down heavily by this one.
Iron Man 3: entertaining, but the various narrative problems prevent me from calling it above average.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Man I think Evan's is a great cap but I don't think the movie verse does him real justice, only a few times in First Avenger / The Avengers did I really feel like he was the center of something or even calling any shots.

The Avengers was basically Iron Man 3: Iron Man meets The Hulk, and it should probably be renamed to that because Iron Man 3 was an absolute disgrace. The first cap movie was a lot of fun while watching it but very few scenes after he becomes captain america even stick with you. The whole movie past the first 1/3rd mark is kind of an absolute bore.

You have an exciting third introducing the cast and their ambitions, then you have the next third where captain america is made into a pop sensation instead of being able to fight, and then you have the final third where some nazi stuff happens and it ends with a plane crash in the snow. It was a really forgettable film, it was plagued with a lot of issue's that Thor was plagued which is a huge fucking shame considering that Thor was perfect in The Avengers...though honestly the avengers isn't very good either.

Honestly the only marvel movie I actually loved and still enjoy on a rewatch is Iron Man 1. That whole movie except for the final battle which is a bit of a let down, is an amazing roller coaster.

I also hate x-men first class. Honestly super hero movies have really disillusioned me, Spider-man 2 showed me that they could be GOAT as fuck, but then they just kind of fell into this shitty pit. Though I've heard things about winter solider that make me excited, such as the whole spy thriller angle it has going for it.

 

[NotLiquid]

Captain America has the grenade scene, that alone is miles better than the whole of the Fantastic Four movies.

Cap1 was a great movie with awesome music!

This scene was so good, but I instantly fell in love with the movie even before that.

This scene alone put Steve above a vast majority of defined characters in super hero movies. In that instant he sells me on the entire concept.

 

[Rookje]

Have you seen Street Kings, Snowpiercer or Sunshine? What about The Iceman? These are fantastic turns by Evans, and not dude-bro at all.

I've seen all of those. Street Kings was forgettable, Sunshine I liked but it wasn't a very challenging role, and Snowpiercer is embarrassingly bad (both acting and the overall movie).

I like his acting in London more than any other movie.

I'm not sure how he'll fair as a director as all of his movie role choices are so bad.

But worse, I saw someone call him "dudebro" and another say he's not on the level of Gosling and Leo? WTH? First of all, he's better than Gosling though that's not saying much, and for sure on the same level as Leo.

April fools?

 

[Amentallica]

Cap 1 was extremely forgettable. I don't even remember what Hydra/Red Skull's main plan was, let alone how Cap undid it.

That said it's better than either FF film.

I read FF as Fast and Furious and I was ready to fight.

 

[Discotheque]

This scene was so good, but I instantly fell in love with the movie even before that.

This scene alone put Steve above a vast majority of defined characters in super hero movies. In that instant he sells me on the entire concept.

hahahaha it's hideous. it really looks like cheap effect in the face.

i like how nice steve rogers was but they didn't have to make him THAT small. it was distracting.

 

[BLACKLAC]

Captain America has the grenade scene, that alone is miles better than the whole of the Fantastic Four movies.

Cap1 was a great movie with awesome music!

I'm getting teary eyed.

 

[LaNaranja]

Have you seen Street Kings, Snowpiercer or Sunshine? What about The Iceman? These are fantastic turns by Evans, and not dude-bro at all.

I didn't even realize it was him in The Iceman until

Spoiler

right before he gets killed on the bench.

He is a pretty solid actor with more range then people give him credit for.

 

[-COOLIO-]

honestly, im not sure a fantastic four movie works on any level. the hero's are just really silly in a modern context. especially the villain.

 

[childplease]

Aren't his days numbered as Captain America ?

I thought the guy who plays the winter soldier signed like a 9 movie deal.

 

[Cyan]

Can I interest you in a New New Fantastic Four?

Girl Wolverine, Girl Ghost Rider, Black Deadpool, Red Hulk.

Seems legit.

 

[samus i am]

I watched Captain America last night because of this thread. How do I put this correctly... you guys are crazy. That movie is lightyears better than both Fantastic Fours.

 

[Escape Goat]

He doesn't direct and write the films


I completely forgot he was in those movies

Chris Evans, is that you?

 

[Azuran]

Ok, WTF am I looking at here. I recognize Red Hulk, X-23 and a female Ghost Rider, although why the hell is she using a sword and why is Spawn in there firing pistols?

Edit: Never mind. I googled it and wow, I am so glad I quit reading comics well before any of this nonsense happened.

Nonsense? That story was awesome. Deals with the devil, Las Vegas getting blasted to hell, Mephisto reprimanding Blackheart like he's a kid.

What's not to love?

 

[kirblar]

what the HELL am I reading in this thread???

People calling Cap 1 terrible? Newsflash, it's the best of the Phase 1 Marvel films outside of the Avengers, I love that film.

But worse, I saw someone call him "dudebro" and another say he's not on the level of Gosling and Leo? WTH? First of all, he's better than Gosling though that's not saying much, and for sure on the same level as Leo. Chris Evans is my #1 fave actor and that wouldn't be the case if he was a shitty actor with a "dudebro" persona (just watch even ONE of his interviews to see that's not the case btw). Very few actors are good enough for me to go and run out to see every one of their films, but Evans is on the top of the list for me. Even in bad movies like FF4 and Fierce People, he is always on point and stands out. People need to watch Snowpiercer, Puncture, even The Losers and Scott Pilgrim to see how wide his range is and he can pretty much do anything, comedy OR dark drama.

Ok I am done, I'm starting to feel like his publicist lol.

I liked the first half of the movie, but felt like the second half of the movie was really disjointed.

 

[Slayven]

Girl Wolverine, Girl Ghost Rider, Black Deadpool, Red Hulk.

Seems legit.

Great homage.

 

[RunWhiteBoyRun]

Galactus was A FUCKING STORM CLOUD. Fuck the Fantastic Four movies. I had hopes for Green Lantern but damn was that disappointing.

 

[dabig2]

Galactus was A FUCKING STORM CLOUD. Fuck the Fantastic Four movies. I had hopes for Green Lantern but damn was that disappointing.

I did not really have a problem with this. They literally took the definition of "force of nature". I mean, Imhotep in The Mummy was always a badass, but giant face sand cloud of death >>> Marwan. So having a giant humanoid alien flying in a spaceship might look a little tacky in a movie filled to the brim already with tackiness.

 

[Rentahamster]

Cap 1 was the only Marvel film to date that I enjoyed just as much the second time as I did the first.

Really? I thought it was good but only watched it around 2.5 times total. I've probably watched Iron Man 1 at least 4-5 times already.

 

[t26]

Cap 1 is at least as good as Thor , and better than iron man 2

 

[satori]

I know we as human beings have a wide variety of opinions, likes, dislikes, etc. But holy cow still blows my mind when someone can say cap 1 was worse than those Fantastic Four films...

But then you also have people who think Hitler was a great guy as well....

 

[roflwaffles]

I never liked Capt 1, the first FF movie is sort of a guilty pleasure for me, I know its godawful but I don't mind watching it lol.

Does Iron Man 1 count as a Phase 1 movie? Because if so, it blows all other Phase 1 movies away aside from Avengers.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

I know we as human beings have a wide variety of opinions, likes, dislikes, etc. But holy cow still blows my mind when someone can say cap 1 was worse than those Fantastic Four films...

But then you also have people who think Hitler was a great guy as well....

Did you really just draw that comparison?

 

[HerbertFish]

to be fair cap 1 isn't much better

Hm really? Thought it was the best standalone Marvel movie

 

[fertygo]

I don't get it either, and thats from someone who wasn't a big Cap fan before the movie.
Its technically better than Avengers and Thor, and just better than Thor 2, Iron Man 2 & 3 in general.

Movie with botched 2nd half didn't deserve any technical praise.

I won't call it worst marvel though, because both Thor movie exist.