Hypereides
Member
There's an alleged rumour that was Sony Japan's doing. Same with the shut down of Firewalk studios. Hermen and the folks over in America are/were allegedly infuriated about it.
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[Famitsu] Hulst: focus on service games despite Concord failure; UC2 has greatest impact in 30 years; aim to leverage legacy IPs, and more
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Well, if that;'s true, it just shows that Totoki is very much in charge.
I'd also point out that if that's the case he's looking at Hoyoverse stuff and the like, and thinking they need some of that action. Not that Playstation needs more Concords.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Helldivers 2 is the fastest selling PlayStation Studios game of all time. You also have no idea how many Concord failures it can support.
I bring this up because you set up illogical goalposts to attempt to discredit their GAAS strategy.
If “Fortnite level success” is your benchmark, then PlayStation should quit right now because their Uncharted, God of War, and Spider-Man games never hit that benchmark.
It’s a silly way to view the business of making games.
Breaking even is another silly way to measure success. (Helldivers 2 broke even). If I spend 100 dollars on my lemonade stand, work at it all summer, then count my revenue after the 3 summer months and “break even” I’ve just wasted 3 months of my time.
There are tons of generically good games that fail to profit. “Make a good game and it will succeed” is so generically vague, and so wrong, it shouldn’t be said. Businessmen can not afford to think it such childish terms…no offense.
nial
Member
Last main year of PS2 - 2006
PC port inittiative - 2020
Yeah, I know there were PS4 games from before 2020 that got ported, but you still miss a good chunk of the library (Knack, Gravity Rush 2, Astro Bot Rescue Mission, Déraciné, etc.), and there's still the entire PSP, PS3 and PS Vita libraries missing (except for Helldivers).
Except that it's not their only focus as OP kinda implied. Please support the Astro Bot port, thank you.
Kacho
Gold Member
That’s a lot of cope.If only in the real world they weren't completely dominating the market and they didn't just win GOTY!
A complete crash indeed
BTW this thread is a nothing burger and the thread title is also misleading to fuel controversy. He said the focus is on a mix of both single player games and gaas stuff which has proved its potential with the huge success of Helldivers2.
Moving on from things you don't like and are just not for you instead of living in an alternative reality is an option.
The PS5 will go down as Sony’s worst console ever. Their output has been dreadful.
nial
Member
Both Hulst and Nishino are the representative directors and presidents of SIE Japan, FYI.
That ""rumor"" is also internet bullshit.
tmlDan
Member
bro you cant read lol
Insanemaelstrom
Gold Member
Its hilarious to me that people focus so much on Concord and if that fails, TLOU factions 2( a cancelled game) while ignoring successes like Gt7( the second best selling gt game, will probably be the best selling gt game soon), gt sport( revived the series and did better than gt5 and gt6), MLB games and Helldivers 2.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Of course I would buy an Astro bot port. That's the Sony I prefer and looks more like PS2 days.
I would pay good money for Gravity Rush, Astro bot, the Last Guardian, Demon soul, Bloodborne, etc. That's what I want the most from Sony.
Not Knack though, thanks
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clarky
Gold Member
Oh the irony
LazyParrot
Member
The fact that he apparently considers this a bad thing explains a whole lot about the current state of the industry.
Insanemaelstrom
Gold Member
The same output had them dominate the game awards this year.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Wake me up when my beliefs differ from the most successful companies in gaming.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
They haven't learned a damned thing after Concord's failure.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
As usual, a giant nothing of an interview. You're not going to get much out of people in his position.
I'm sure it's business as usual with PS Studios, which for me means I'm still not particularly interested in anything they're doing.
I'm sure it's business as usual with PS Studios, which for me means I'm still not particularly interested in anything they're doing.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Love Helldivers 2 and I'm glad it's a success. You do realize there was a Helldivers 1 and it didn't really light the charts on fire, right? But having the groundwork for an established IP definitely helped.
Foamstars failed, developed by SE but a Sony exclusive and of course Concord. So far this generation Sony is 0/2 for their new gaas IP strategy, and what we've seen coming only spells disaster once again.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Fair enough, everybody has the right to get their own very personal fail.
I lie, that's extremely stupid, see you on social media "it's gamers fault" as a crybabies snowflakes.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
If Sony wants more GAAS games they should focus on making waifu games like Genshin Impact and less on putrid trash like Concord.
Waifu Gaacha games are the real money makers now, too bad modern Sony is too dumb to see this.
Waifu Gaacha games are the real money makers now, too bad modern Sony is too dumb to see this.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
HellDivers 2 and GT7 are both part of their new GaaS strategy (one they pushed and the latter they developed).
Hypereides
Member
Whatever you say, fluffer. Its speculation. You can't disprove it or prove it either way.
clarky
Gold Member
Wakey wakey.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The Helldivers name didn’t help Helldivers 2 sell units.
Only Helldivers 2 and Concord are officially “PlayStation Studios” games. So they’re 1/2. Also, carpet bombing is an effective military tactic despite most explosives
missing their target.
Alright, how do my opinions differ from the most successful companies in gaming?
ShadyAcshuns
Member
If they're going to double down on GaaS fuckery, then fuck them.
clarky
Gold Member
None of the most successful companies in gaming run an extraction shooter.
nial
Member
Common sense helps us to determine such things.
You never know if that's not the case. I remember Totoki visiting Aniplex's Lasengle earlier this year.
Also, I do believe that it's the case.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
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clarky
Gold Member
No?But they’re all making one aren’t they?
You seem to think that I fight against our GAAS future, quite the contrary, that segment of the gaming space makes up 80% of my gaming time.
You come across as quite condescending at times.
nial
Member
Famitsu interview with CEO of SIE (Platform Business Group), Hideaki Nishino:
www.famitsu.com
Famitsu interview with SIE Team Asobi:
www.famitsu.com
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www.famitsu.com
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Hypereides
Member
Pretty conceited idea of "common sense" if you ask me. Go bother someone else. I believe
Buggy Loop
is up for a second round. (Sorry in advance, Buggy)
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Kacho
Gold Member
You place way too much importance on irrelevant things like Geoff’s game awards show.
What lesson have they learnt from Helldivers 2 vs Astrobot, stellar blade or Rise of the Ronin combined?
kazuyamishima
Member
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Yup.
PlayStation is working on at least one. I suspect Fairgame$ will be one as well.
Epic Games, Activision (DMZ 2.0),Ubisoft, Krafton, Embark, Bandai Namco…amid a litany of indie developers are all working on at least one too. So many so called gamers don’t understand the brilliance of this genre and it shows.
I’ll go back to sleep. Again, wake me up when my views differ from the most successful companies in gaming.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
RIP Sony
nial
Member
People get way too dumb when it's something they desperately want to be a reality.
The idea of one of those attention-seeking insiders knowing about the decisions made at the top of Sony (a Japanese corporation at that) and how executives could feel about it is stupidly laughable.
That's not speculation, it's straight up retardation.
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Insanemaelstrom
Gold Member
An irrelevant show that is attended by all the industry giants, watched by more than 100 million people.
Even besides, most people have been happy with PS exclusives this year. Astrobot is excellent, Helldivers 2 is excellent, etc. Yes they had a failure in Concord, but this was a good year for PS, same as last year, the year before that and year before the year before that, and so on.
TheTony316
Member
With NoA and NoE starting to cancel/censor games in the west? Not really.
Unknown?
Member
They never were even before concord. It was only 40% of their pipeline.
clarky
Gold Member
EA, Valve, MS, Sony, Nintendo GGG. Id say your views differ quite a bit.
There is no DMZ 2.0 btw.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Oh sorry, it’s not literally “all the most successful companies in gaming”…I forgot we’re not allowed to use human language on the internet because the “ahckchually” meme guy is everywhere here.
Btw, Sony owns Bungie. MS owns Activision.
Btw ptII: Tencent is also making an Extraction Shooter lol
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nial
Member
Eh, the same people telling you that Sony didn't produce good games this year were saying 10 years ago that Vita had no games right when Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars and Oreshika were being released.
Arguments too focused on their narrow tastes or dumb nitpicking, I wouldn't really bother at this point.
Arguments too focused on their narrow tastes or dumb nitpicking, I wouldn't really bother at this point.
TheTony316
Member
Speak for yourself.
Kacho
Gold Member
Citation needed.
Your position is “Sony is amazing all the time” so we can agree to disagree. I don’t think the PS5 generation will be looked at fondly in hindsight once the dust settles. Time will tell.
Astray
Member
People have put far too much stock in unverified reports on Concord imo. Not only did it barely register on their financial results (which was v. profitable, btw), they actually still managed to beat their own earnings forecast (meaning that they likely saw this flop coming to some extent and baked it into the numbers).
The other part of the equation is that Helldivers 2 turned out to be such a massive hit that it probably covered the costs of Concord and then some in its 1st year.
All they need to do is launch Marathon on the right foot, rebalance Bungie (both have risks, nothing in life is straightforward) and they're gonna become a GAAS powerhouse.
The other part of the equation is that Helldivers 2 turned out to be such a massive hit that it probably covered the costs of Concord and then some in its 1st year.
All they need to do is launch Marathon on the right foot, rebalance Bungie (both have risks, nothing in life is straightforward) and they're gonna become a GAAS powerhouse.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It should. It’s off to the best start since ps2
You don’t own a ps5 so not sure how you’re a good judge of something you can’t play
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samoilaaa
Member
how many copies did astro bot sold ? and how much money did they win with the GOTY title ?If only in the real world they weren't completely dominating the market and they didn't just win GOTY!
A complete crash indeed
BTW this thread is a nothing burger and the thread title is also misleading to fuel controversy. He said the focus is on a mix of both single player games and gaas stuff which has proved its potential with the huge success of Helldivers2.
Moving on from things you don't like and are just not for you instead of living in an alternative reality is an option.
you know its all about money right ? not just winning GOTY , the budgets for games and marketing are so big today that 10 million copies will barely cut it for a big AAA game like ND's next game for example , nobody cares if you win GOTY but you dont make profit
the last of us 2 sold less than 1
Spider man 2 sold less than 1
GoT2 will most likely sell less than 1
i mean if it were my company and most of my big budget games sold almost 10 copies less than their prequels i would be worried
Almost all the big countries are in a recession right now , high taxes/prices for everything , the average joe is gonna be very careful what kind of games he buys ( if he buys at all )
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ByWatterson
Member
I love how everyone is just ignoring that he basically said they need to figure out how to replicate the success of Helldivers 2.
nial
Member
What most people forget is that Totoki literally told investors to expect a decrease in first-party revenue for the FY compared to the 2023-24 one. So much for Sony expecting Concord to be the future of PlayStation according to Moriarty, lol.