It should be, since Ubisoft's other deluxe editions for games are still available for purchase on Steam and other online stores.
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Far Cry 3 |OT| Sex, Drugs, and the Call of Battle in the Uncharted
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It should be, since Ubisoft's other deluxe editions for games are still available for purchase on Steam and other online stores.
The crafting is the opposite of immersive. It's absolute gamey.
Goat leather can't hold 3 weapons but tiger leather can? That's absurd.
Being able to create a syringe on the fly after picking up two flowers is also not immersive.
A game that does picking flowers and creating medicine from it better is Miasmata. You find out in books what flowers are known for medical effects, then you find some that fit the pattern and study them under a microscope to be sure you got the right one and then you process it further for later use.
I think it's a fine gameplay choice but calling it immersive is wrong.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Thats stretching it a bit, considering all you are doing really is just simple inventory space expansion, medical items and the special arrows.
Id say its a nice addition but not really on the level of being "immersive".
"Immersive" is applicable if you're referring to the act of hunting itself feeling immersive and having tangible in-world benefits.
No, it doesn't make sense that a shark skin wallet can carry more money than a pig hide wallet, but I at least appreciate that hunting results in something immediately beneficial along with being enjoyable in and of itself.
No, it doesn't make sense that a shark skin wallet can carry more money than a pig hide wallet, but I at least appreciate that hunting results in something immediately beneficial along with being enjoyable in and of itself.
Crafting system is horrible. Most contrived crafting I've ever seen in a game. Just give me all the slots and stuff from the beginning instead of making me do all this busywork. Unlocking stronger weapons as you progress is fine, but all this inventory nonsense doesn't contribute anything to my experience beyond forcing me to do all this side stuff to acquire basic functionality (such as carrying more than one weapon) before starting the game proper.
The side quests also consist of "race 1-50", "assassinate guy in small group of other guys 1-50" etc, instead of having fewer quests but with unique premises. It's all trademark UbiSoft content padding. I've only played like 5 hours but I can already see the content in this game has been copy-pasted to hell and back.
It's making me not want to explore, because I know that even if I travel all the way across the island the only thing I will find is another red buggy to race towards pulsating yellow circles.
NoirVisage
Banned
i think he meant the gathering of the crafting ingredients more so than the actual crafting.
So do you guys have a GMG code that still works for EU?
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
FarCry 3 song is damn amazing, but it sounds familiar.
This has an absolutely brilliant opening.
But I'm playing on Hard and it's really Hard! A group of enemies can kill me really quickly. Perhaps I should turn auto-aim back on!
What sort of stuff would people suggest doing first? I've liberated the first Outpost and the next main mission is way West. I've upgraded so I can carry two weapons, but run out of ammo fairly quickly.
But I'm playing on Hard and it's really Hard! A group of enemies can kill me really quickly. Perhaps I should turn auto-aim back on!
What sort of stuff would people suggest doing first? I've liberated the first Outpost and the next main mission is way West. I've upgraded so I can carry two weapons, but run out of ammo fairly quickly.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Any game in which you can hang glide into a pig den, only to be attacked by said pigs, is a winner. The emergent stuff is excellent.
bitoriginal
Member
Anyone tell me where to find Dingo's or how they look different from dogs? It's beginning to annoy me lol.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Try to feed them a baby. Dingos eat babies.
The idea is to incentivize hunting and crafting by giving the player rewards that aren't so critical that they're absolutely forced to craft, but do ultimately add great benefit and push the player into exploring the wild.
Of course it's completely arbitrary in its design, but as long as you can suspend your disbelief, the crafting system is well-considered and certainly compares favorably to the laughably imbalanced or useless collectathon-driven "crafting" systems we frequently see.
There's nothing special about your objectives in the game. The fun and interest comes from the journey to that objective and the sorts of random elements that can crop up. You're slowly stalking some captain and his crew and are about to unleash your attack, and all of a sudden a tiger jumps out of the bush and starts mauling them, doing most of your work for you.
STALKER never had particularly interesting objectives either - kill this guy, find these documents, etc. The highlights came when you were on your way to something relatively innocuous and something crazy just emerges from the world design. The random world elements and their synergy with what you can do is where the interest lies - the emergent gameplay, basically.
After several hours in FC3, my main problem with it still remains what it was even pre-release - the removal of some of the harsh survival elements. That's where it can risk feeling repetitive after a long while, because there's less of a random chance of something going wrong for you on a mission and forcing you to improvise. I definitely miss those mechanics a lot; hopefully mods can add it back in one form or another.
the handbook entries sounded a lot like shaun hastings
Did you find a bug there ? Well i haven't read the whole thread, but i found a bug in the testing facility.
Oh, ok.
Another thing that really bugs me is how they constantly remind me that I'm playing a game. They don't even pretend like they've created anything else but a giant theme park filled with FUN rides. Immersion is secondary, or even undesirable. "Hey, you finished this objective! There are 40 in total but now you have finished 12 of them! Why don't you do them all, they are marked on your little map with appropriate icons! Press Start now to see the tutorial on how to do them! Also let me put this helpful yellow dot that you can go towards, you don't have to think! After all, this is a video game, not the real world, didn't you notice? Also, you just got +10 XP for killing that man in red clothes! You'll know he's an enemy because he has RED CLOTHES! Isn't this FUN? Isn't this a FUN GAME? If you want more information on how to have FUN, just press Start! Also, you can enter this GLOWING VEHICLE and say YES to the PROMPT to start a RACE, then simply follow the YELLOW CIRLCE! FUN! Is that Donald Duck over there? Go say hi and we'll let you cut in line for the next ride!"
No, it's not wrong to call it immersive. A gamey game is almost always more immersive to me. Realism does not equal a more immersive game yo. To be fair, it's all subjective in the end.
Do you like the game?
SJRB
Gold Member
You sound bitter.
Unless you haven't seen any footage whatsoever, none of this should come as a surprise to you.
I want to like it, and many parts I do like, but it's trying very very hard not to let me. Why?
I was hoping the videos gave the wrong impression, and that the final game would not be first-person Assassin's Creed. At least AC has the "it's actually a game within the game" gimmick to fall back on.
This sort of game design has been bugging me for a long time. It's frustrating when a game that was trying to steer away from that (FC2) was pulled back in the same direction.
CrichtonKicks
Member
What counts as a "melee kill"? One of the skills I want requires 3 melee kills to unlock. The counter shows that I have 2 out of 3 but Takedowns don't register as kills on the counter nor do animal kills with the machete.
SlasherJPC
Banned
the handbook entries sounded a lot like shaun hastings
Can we find said lab though?
I understand your frustration but for every one person that love FC2, there are probably 5 or 10 more that hated it due to those things! This stuff in FC3 will invetiable help sell the game. It's more "user friendly" so to speak.
legacyzero
Banned
But you ARE playing a game =/
This is the same argument I always use to defend FC2. Only, in FC2, a big part of what made the emergent elements work so well was the synergy they had with the overarching goal of immersing the player in a hostile world, and trusting that they would find their own fun without being guided to it. There seems to be no such goal in FC3.
This is all true, and I suppose I knew that before buying the game. But I overestimated my ability to look past it.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah... the glowing things really, really annoy the SHIT out of me! Though I've gotten used to it now. All Ubi has to do is an update that lets us disable some of that stuff! come on Ubisoft!
Just curious. You seem so hatefull.
I think you may be overreacting or taking the game too seriously, maybe both. What you are complaining about is really hard to achieve for most games, especially for Far Cry since its never felt the opposite way of what you say. Sure it'd be nice I guess but regardless you ARE playing a videogame after all.
Seems like your expectations from the game were a bit high, I don't think anyone ever expects too much from Far Cry games, especially not since Ubisoft took it or after FC2, hell for most people FC3 was under the radar until now.
Like you said, it very well might be a theme park with a lot of dumb shit/cool stuff to do so take a sit and simply enjoy the ride!
I certainly don't hate the game, in fact like I said, I enjoy many elements of it. I'm just annoyed and disappointed in the direction they went with the franchise. There's an amazing, immersive, oppressive open world game hiding under all that... video game stuff. Those conventions, that traditionalistic thinking.
SJRB
Gold Member
In a way I agree with you that the game seems to have two personalities. In one hand you have a game that depicts sheer brutality - people getting hanged, executed for no reason. It's a bleak, dire and gritty situation on this extremely colorful tropical island.
On the other hand you have all these "game-y" mechanics like XP, onscreen indicators, start-menu crafting.
For me personally it works and I'm having the best time, but when compared to Far Cry 2 this game is way more arcade-ish in nature.
Neuromancer
Member
I had a feeling it would be this way. It's probably good for most gamers who need that kind of direction. It is a bit of a shame that they made such great strides in FC2 to reduce a lot of that overt video game nonsense, but had to abandon it for whatever reason.
Riposte
Member
This game is pretty rad so far. I turned off music since it doesn't seem good. While I liked what I've played, I'm worried that there will be a lack of environmental and enemy changes for the long haul.
I also miss the UI stuff from FC2.
EDIT: Two highlights: wondering into a water cave terrified of crocs (there were none) and getting into a car for the first time and just driving like a complete mad man, finally crashing into a lake. The way this game does caves is amazing.
I also miss the UI stuff from FC2.
EDIT: Two highlights: wondering into a water cave terrified of crocs (there were none) and getting into a car for the first time and just driving like a complete mad man, finally crashing into a lake. The way this game does caves is amazing.
Slackbladder
Member
Jesus Christ. Getting this game installed was a major fucking pain. Nearly a fucking hour to unzip then install (during this time my PC was so slow I could do fuck all else thanks to either GMG or Ubisoft) and now I have to deal with fucking Uplay. This is the perfect example of what pisses me off about PC gaming. The game had better be worth it!
PS And the first thing I get is a fucking update of 258MB! Fuck sake! I go to work at 5am so I'm in bed by ten and it's nearly 9pm already!! I detest day 1 patches - a sign the game was not ready at launch!
PS And the first thing I get is a fucking update of 258MB! Fuck sake! I go to work at 5am so I'm in bed by ten and it's nearly 9pm already!! I detest day 1 patches - a sign the game was not ready at launch!
a) What is the notion that so many people hated Far Cry 2's presentation based on? Reviews consistently mentioned it as one of Far Cry 2's strengths.
b) Why should someone want this game to sell more at the expense of what made Far Cry 2 great? (Consider that FC2 shipped almost 3 million copies before the end of '08.)
SlasherJPC
Banned
A. Not all of Far Crys 2 strengths were considered strengths by the majority of people. Those that could see what they were going for and appreciate it had one hell of an experience. Other simple hated it for it.
B. With the backlash that FC 2 had, and it did have it. I think they want to show people they fixed some of the problems 2 had. Problem is the "problems" were not neccesarily a problem depending who you asked.
Just my 2 cents.
Woo-Fu
Banned
In other words this is what pisses you off about Ubisoft, not about PC gaming.
There are many other publishers/developers that don't put you through those sorts of hassles. Day 1 updates, on the other hand, aren't platform specific.
It's SO annoying when I'm driving around, doing something and then I get close to a mission objective. It then assumes I'm on that missions despite being pretty far away and gives me the message "Return to the objective bla bla" and if I get too far away I fail and it autoloads somewhere close. So it forces me to do the mission.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
So your assertion is based on nothing?
You can't fix "problems" that are integral to the experience. Not all games need to be made for all gamers. (It's not like there's a shortage of games for the sort of person who can't appreciate Far Cry 2, either.)
iamvin22
Industry Verified
digital foundry face-off will be up tomorrow according to their twitter account.
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Barack Lesnar
Banned
You've killed turtles? You're a monster
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