The fact that you are taking my comment to say he needs mental help, as defending sexual assault, is immature and disgusting.
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Female Smash player was sexually molested at EVO: Offender banned from comp play 1 yr
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The fact that you are taking my comment to say he needs mental help, as defending sexual assault, is immature and disgusting.
He was already dropped.
cartographer
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And again, billions of people manage to not do this stuff. Billions.
Those drunk drivers? They are already uncaring, selfish and reckless assholes. Drunk fighters? Already aggressive.
Drunk molesters? They were always that person. It's not the alcohol. It's them.
PsychoSoldier
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This is a larger philosophical question I guess but I don't believe in such a thing as Good People or Bad People, just people who do good, bad and neutral things.
It shouldn't be a fucking scale, if a person who donates to charity and volunteers at the soup kitchen but sexually assaults someone, it's not like all those good deeds somehow make the action any less traumatic or violating to the victim. They are, full stop, a person who did a bad thing. It's the same with racism--this world is not separated by Racists and Non-Racists, racism is something we all have inside to some degree and we do what we can to notice and account for it.
It shouldn't be a fucking scale, if a person who donates to charity and volunteers at the soup kitchen but sexually assaults someone, it's not like all those good deeds somehow make the action any less traumatic or violating to the victim. They are, full stop, a person who did a bad thing. It's the same with racism--this world is not separated by Racists and Non-Racists, racism is something we all have inside to some degree and we do what we can to notice and account for it.
Good people don't molest sleeping people, with or without their own issues. Good people with psychological issues, like my own ongoing ones don't fucking sexually assault people when intoxicated.
You sure are proud of how old you are.
A Link to the Past
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Agreed. "Good person who did bad things" is, intentionally or unintentionally, code for "this person isn't that bad"
Alcohol and being drunk is no excuse for shitty actions.
The fact that (at least from the story) she moved to a different bed and he tried it again makes it even worse.
Nothing excuses this and he's a piece of shit. I echo other posters in that I doubt I would be able to be quiet/not be mad enough to get in a fight with the guy.
The fact that (at least from the story) she moved to a different bed and he tried it again makes it even worse.
Nothing excuses this and he's a piece of shit. I echo other posters in that I doubt I would be able to be quiet/not be mad enough to get in a fight with the guy.
So let's say someone with Downs sexually assaults someone. Because I know of a situation like this. Is this person now deemed bad? Should they not be treated like there is a mental issue?
You people are acting like the kid should just off himself. We know nothing about him from a psychological standpoint.
You're full of shit, he doesn't have downs. Do you even know what downs is? It's a fucking genetic disorder, it's a disability, and as far as it's known there's no mental disability in play, nor is it cited anywhere.
You can still help the man, while condemning the actions he took. I.E., he could go into therapy and get rehabilitated over the next few years. While at the same time realizing he fucked up and has to live with the consequences of his actions.
What your saying seems to be making it out like he is a victim, while downplaying the real victim.
No one said he did. But he could have other mental issues that led to this happening. It's okay to say someone did a bad thing and might need help. It's hilarious how much shit I am getting for simply saying that.
A Link to the Past
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Ugh.
He doesn't though. So. But yeah, keep them coming - I can't say that I'm not used to seeing the tried-and-true tactic of "have you thought about it from the perspective of the sexual abuser?" It's also a great tactic for racists, to downplay their actions.
cartographer
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Stop with this bullshit. You already dug yourself a hole and this isn't helping you.
Billions plz, This stuff happens everywhere all the time and gets turned a blind eye or is kept between the people involved. Getting blackout drunk is never good ever, best case scenario people pass out when this drunk or drown themselves to sleep in music. This is a huge problem that is hard to make better in the world with alcohol involved.
This guy doesnt have downsyndrome. And even if he has personal demons, he still made a choice to act on them, or at least a choice to restrict his inhibition. The reason people with downs syndrome get a pass is because they lack cognition of their actions.
I would expect such an old man to realize this.
It's hilarious how you're excusing sexual assault for things that don't actually exist. People with issues go day to day without raping, sexually assaulting, or molesting people.
Go back to my original comment. All I said was that he did a bad thing and needs therapy.
That's it. The fact that a comment like that is so volatile is disgusting.
So you're essentially getting someone medical help is excusing their problem. That is sad. From a human standpoint.
This is the stupidest post I have ever read on NeoGAF. Delete your account.
A Link to the Past
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And incarceration for having committed assault.
ShockingAlberto
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He could be an alien completely unused to earth culture, too.
Why are we making up things that could be true?
You're doing nothing except distract from the situation at hand by using garbage irrelevant comparisons. You decide to get drunk. You don't decide to have downs.
I think you're hitting a nerve. I do agree with you though. I got kinda sad reading that panicked private conversation, Dude is probably going to off himself now.
their problem is that they molested someone. Twice. No amount of therapy will undo that.
When did I ever say that was not an option? Vikki has all the right in the world to press charges.
Cabbagehead
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Wadeitout you might want to stop. Its a no fly zone here on this subject.
No need for mental gymnastics. When the guy is clearly a functional human being.
Theanine3D
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It's funny that you automatically inferred I was talking about prison time. I wasn't.
He does deserve some jail time. He committed a serious crime. No, I don't think he should be locked up for life.
He needs mental help. What he did isn't normal. So he shouldn't give himself another chance to do it again. Whether that means he should spend time at a mental institution, or simply never drink so much as a drop of alcohol ever again, I don't know. I'm not a mental health professional, so I'm not going to prescribe the course of action. Prison time isn't how you rehabilitate a sex offender, though. Sex offenders go free from prison and go on to repeat their behavior all the time.
No. I have social anxiety disorder and have never molested someone. It's a condition which impairs you in particular social situations and usually manifests in an extreme shyness and avoidance. It does not drive you to nonconsensual sexual abuse.
There are of course external factors which will have affected him and led him to this point. Rape culture is an especially insidious part of our society. But trying to excuse his behaviour because it's a systemic problem or because of drink or emotional repression only reinforces that culture. As a society, there are many systemic problems we have to address, but indiviuals are also ultimately responsible for their own actions.
The face that you're saying that someone that hasn't demonstrated any need for help for actually needing help instead of incarceration is nothing short of disgusting.
Using personal demons, mental issues, and disabilities- none of which have been brought forward as even existing and in your case merging them into a single problem is nothing short of asinine- and yeah, you're using these issues to excuse the behaviour of someone who doesn't- as far as the situation is concerned actually have these problems.
This is one of the most pathetic things I have read here so far. I'm out of this conversation. There is no mature discussion to be had here.
themagicalkitsune
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Let's not. This thread is not for your personal stories, it's about an incident that was sexual assault through and through. Doesn't matter if the guy was drunk, or feeling lonely or whatever.
ShockingAlberto
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You haven't answered my question of why you are assuming he has a recognized mental problem that caused him to do this.
You're full of shit, there are people here with their own issues, none of whom- as far as I know have actually molested or sexually assaulted anyone. Issues, which are besides the point considering that they don't exist not having actually been brought forward by anyone involved.
When did I? I said We know nothing about him and that he could have psychological issues. That's the comment people are acting like immature children about.
Your contributions to this thread, at this point, are pure fiction and not as insightful as you think they are. And now is not the time for it.
and hopefully a ban will follow.
Shit like this needs zero toleration.
A Link to the Past
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Because no one has ever claimed "he shouldn't get therapy", you just decided that people pointing out how someone who sexually assaulted someone in their sleep was a bad person was unacceptable - essentially "won't someone think of the rapist?" angle. Of course there's a lot of people with mental illnesses out there - Jeffrey Dahmer was a pitiable soul who should have received treatment, but he knew that what he did was wrong. He said as much himself. Mental illness isn't a shield for wrongdoing. This player understood that what he did was wrong. Being mentally ill introduces some factors, but if you know what you're doing is bad, you are willingly committing a crime. Stop trying to obfuscate this by introducing a "what if" instead of focusing on the reality of the situation.
ShockingAlberto
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But why are you assuming that at all?
Is your assertion for every rape or other sexual assault case that the person might have mental issues so we should withhold any (non-binding) judgment just in case?
You're inventing "mental issues" that don't actually exist and getting mad that people are saying that he doesn't need treatment for the issues... that haven't been demonstrated actually exist.
You and others really need to go back and look at my initial posts. Because they have been distorted by some silly game of circle jerk telephone. All I did was say the kid shouldn't be demonized when he could have legitament mental problems.
If people think that is crazy, then there is no room for mature discussion. I really hope some of you get a better viewpoint on life over time.
Yeah this never happened. I said he could have mental issues so it doesn't mean he's necessarily a bad person. And I 100% stick to that.
You're saying that someone shouldn't be demonized for a doing an awful thing because of issues that are non-existent at present.
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In that case, is this your assertion for every single crime ever committed by anyone? "What if mental illnesses"?
He made clear that he understood it was wrong. If he has mental illnesses, he has mental illnesses while also willfully committing a crime. For the love of all that is good in this world, what about that do you not understand? Mental illness is only a legitimate factor if it would serve to make him unable to appreciate the harm of his actions.
ShockingAlberto
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Where are you getting this possibility from
By your same logic, shouldn't you not be getting upset because the people you're disagreeing with could have mental problems?
Maybe you should educate yourself on said mental issues before throwing them around.
Social anxiety is an excuse for not feeling upto going to a party your friend is throwing. It's not an excuse you putting your hand down a sleeping girl's pants.
Omnistalgic
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So obsessed with sex smh...
Drinking doesn't make you do any of that nonsense. You simply aren't a decent person.
Drinking doesn't make you do any of that nonsense. You simply aren't a decent person.
Bloodporne
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The whole mental health aspect is irrelevant to discuss to begin with because he will more than likely receive court-mandated therapy sessions for the type of crime no matter what, so there.
Commonly, you'd get whatever jail/probation sentence and it has some sort of therapy or community work built into it where he'll be discussing his issues plenty.
If you get a DUI for example, you have to attend AA meetings as part of your sentence.
Either way, the fact stands that you're legally liable for your actions regardless of mental issues or substance abuse. If he hasn't hightailed it back to his native country yet, which I highly doubt if his name was entered into police database, he'll face his charges, period.
Commonly, you'd get whatever jail/probation sentence and it has some sort of therapy or community work built into it where he'll be discussing his issues plenty.
If you get a DUI for example, you have to attend AA meetings as part of your sentence.
Either way, the fact stands that you're legally liable for your actions regardless of mental issues or substance abuse. If he hasn't hightailed it back to his native country yet, which I highly doubt if his name was entered into police database, he'll face his charges, period.
molnizzle
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Have you ever been blackout drunk before, like to the point that you legitimately can't remember what happened? He might know what he did is wrong after the fact but (if he's telling the truth) then he has no recollection of the event itself.
Not that it's an excuse for his actions, he should know better than to allow himself to reach that point. Just saying that it's not necessarily a given that he consciously committed these acts.
Good.
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