FFXV: What's The General temperature of this Game?

HeelPower said:
I dont anymore.

I am not ashamed to admit that the game became significantly less interesting since Tabata took over.

Its for the better anyway.I rest easy that VersusXIII was never meant to happen.
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Definitely, it's a different game and I'm just judging on its own merits. Versus for me died a long time ago with Stella on the side. I hope Nomura gets the invite for the launch in JP.
 
As a FF fan, I think it looks great. If they can nail down the framerate and limit the visual glitches to a reasonable level, it will probably be my GOTY. I never paid much attention to it in the Versus days, so I'm glad the lost vision won't affect my judgement for this game.

I don't think it will be a great Final Fantasy game, mind you. To me FF is dead after IX, and neither Nomura nor Tabata is the one to revive it. But I think I'll enjoy it a lot nonetheless just like I enjoyed FFXII a lot for its own rights.
 
Decently hyped. Didn't mind the demo. The titan video was meh, but that was just the dude playing it being nervous probably, or bad. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Other than that seems good. I would've liked the ultimate edition but 250 is a bit much and it was sold out in 30 seconds.
 
NoctisVsStar said:
Definitely, it's a different game and I'm just judging on its own merits. Versus for me died a long time ago with Stella on the side. I hope Nomura gets the invite for the launch in JP.
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Glad we agree.

That's the best and most fair attitude we can have toward this game.

I am open to it ,and most likely will be there day 1,but I lost my firey passion.
 
I feel like its going to be a average game, not good, not really bad, better then FF13.

However because of the FF pedigree, and the internet's love of dogpiling, it's going to be treated a lot worse then it really is.

That or it just might be really bad.
 
I really enjoyed Episode Duscae and the game overview sessions at E3 and unless the final game suddenly turned into a sports game, I'm going to really enjoy FFXV. In many ways, both in gameplay and setting it's a game that I have wanted for a really long time.

I know some people get down when they read negative comments on GAF, or when a game they like only gets mediocre to good reviews. My advice to these people: don't be influenced by negative comments and when the game releases, watch some extended gameplay of it. If you like what you see, then buy it it.

RPGs and Final Fantasy games are so diverse, hard to slice or present in a short movie and reviewers have their own sense of what's important for them. Reviews should be used as a guideline, not scrolling down, reading the final paragraph/score and deciding on whether you buy it based on that. I'm sure some will shower praise, I'm sore others will be a bit more harsh but never should a review become your own opinion until you've at least tried it and agree or disagree with it.
 
The only problem I can see people complaining about is the frame-rate. Otherwise, the game looks amazing on all levels. If we can just get over FPS, this game will deliver.
 
I hope there's a lot about the story and world we don't know yet. They've been so transparent about showing this game that I have an impression built up in my mind on what it is... But so far that doesn't include dungeons, plot twists, surprise locations, etc.

My fear is that it's a really simple scenario. The stuff in Kingsglave leads Noctis and crew on a mission to reclaim the city... You fight through open areas to get there... And that's it. If there isn't significant back and forth in the story and scenario, then I'll find it disappointing.
 
Yeah, like, as somebody mentioned much earlier in the thread, I wish combat was KH. I mean, it's not bad, I am actually one of those people who even enjoyed Duscae's combat, before platinum...

Like, the most common complaint is that it's just "hold the button", when it really isn't. Game just sucks at telling you that.

How many of you, who played duscae knew the following:
- Changing directions your stick is tilted during combo affected your moves. Swords did evasive twirls, that could be used to avoid damage while continuing attacking, spears could launch you away from the enemy or do a long lunge to pursue escaping enemies like dogs and such.
- Releasing/suspending the mashing of the attack button for a brief moment and then pressing it again initated the finisher regardless of enemy's health, thus letting you use seemingly contextual move freely
- Dodging and then pressing attack used the move assigned to "counter", once again, allowing you to use an otherwise contextual move freely.

All of those utterly change the way combat played and I'd argue were crucial to fighting at all effectively. Game did not even attempt to explain them...

Platinum explains even less with it's renewed combat.
 
KupoNut said:
I really enjoyed Episode Duscae and the game overview sessions at E3 and unless the final game suddenly turned into a sports game, I'm going to really enjoy FFXV. In many ways, both in gameplay and setting it's a game that I have wanted for a really long time.

I know some people get down when they read negative comments on GAF, or when a game they like only gets mediocre to good reviews. My advice to these people: don't be influenced by negative comments and when the game releases, watch some extended gameplay of it. If you like what you see, then buy it it.

RPGs and Final Fantasy games are so diverse, hard to slice or present in a short movie and reviewers have their own sense of what's important for them. Reviews should be used as a guideline, not scrolling down, reading the final paragraph/score and deciding on whether you buy it based on that. I'm sure some will shower praise, I'm sore others will be a bit more harsh but never should a review become your own opinion until you've at least tried it and agree or disagree with it.
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That's what I always advice people, however recently I've noticed gamers who will buy a game that they aren't interested in just cause of the hype train got to them..which to me makes no sense. For instance initially you people called doom crap and whatnot because everyone else was doing it.. The shocker was that it resulted in a good game.

BocoDragon said:
I hope there's a lot about the story and world we don't know yet. They've been so transparent about showing this game that I have an impression built up in my mind on what it is... But so far that doesn't include dungeons, plot twists, surprise locations, etc.

My fear is that it's a really simple scenario. The stuff in Kingsglave leads Noctis and crew on a mission to reclaim the city... You fight through open areas to get there... And that's it. If there isn't significant back and forth in the story and scenario, then I'll find it disappointing.
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The story according to Tabata is simple and straight forward which isn't necessarily a bad a thing... I mean look at FF9
 
While I am super excited for this, I wouldn't consider it a game of the year contender. That spot is definitely usurped by Dark Souls 3 in terms of RPG's. I'm aware this isn't even out, but something about its tortured development cycle makes me feel it'll be a pretty good game (better than final fantasy 13), but nothing spectacular. You just can't retain hype for the 10 years this has been floating around.
 
Metacritic prediction: 79-81

It'll probably be looked back on in a better light than XIII but I don't think it'll rejuvenate the series in any way.
 
The story, script & VA will most likely be a disaster.
They've done an absolutely terrible job at marketing the game.
Still showing months old footage of PC & pre-alpha versions of the game.
The game will be panned & shite on my critics and fans alike, but will assuredly have a higher MC score than FFXIV 1.0.
I'll be there day one.
 
Styles said:
The story, script & VA will most likely be a disaster.
They've done an absolutely terrible job at marketing the game.
Still showing months old footage of PC & pre-alpha versions of the game.
The game will be panned & shite on my critics and fans alike, but will assuredly have a higher MC score than FFXIV 1.0.
I'll be there day one.
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Styles said:
The story, script & VA will most likely be a disaster.
They've done an absolutely terrible job at marketing the game.
Still showing months old footage of PC & pre-alpha versions of the game.
The game will be panned & shite on my critics and fans alike, but will assuredly have a higher MC score than FFXIV 1.0.
I'll be there day one.
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Not sure what it means. You are rating a game before it even comes out?
 
KupoNut said:
I really enjoyed Episode Duscae and the game overview sessions at E3 and unless the final game suddenly turned into a sports game, I'm going to really enjoy FFXV. In many ways, both in gameplay and setting it's a game that I have wanted for a really long time.

I know some people get down when they read negative comments on GAF, or when a game they like only gets mediocre to good reviews. My advice to these people: don't be influenced by negative comments and when the game releases, watch some extended gameplay of it. If you like what you see, then buy it it.

RPGs and Final Fantasy games are so diverse, hard to slice or present in a short movie and reviewers have their own sense of what's important for them. Reviews should be used as a guideline, not scrolling down, reading the final paragraph/score and deciding on whether you buy it based on that. I'm sure some will shower praise, I'm sore others will be a bit more harsh but never should a review become your own opinion until you've at least tried it and agree or disagree with it.
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Amen.

I'm not gonna act like I'm not excited and anxious for the review thread, but I really won't let it affect me much. Like, Deadly Premonition and Lightning Returns both were ~70 Metacritic games, but I still absolutely enjoyed them for different reasons (story in DP, gameplay in LR).


You know, all these stuff GAF loves to nitpick when it comes to FFXV is completely irrelevant outside of our little bubble. None of my mainstream friends (some core gamer, some more casual) care about whether FXAA or TAA is used, the resolution is 900p or 1080p, or the framerate is 30 or 29 - they wouldn't even be able to tell. They don't follow any of these random news bits, Japanese ATRs, SIGGRAPH tech talk footage or whatever. They saw me play Epsiode Duscae, thought it looked cool and were super impressed by the summon. Then they saw the Uncovered and E3 trailers and are now hyped as hell. Kingsglaive looks amazing to them, too. At least 4 of them will buy FFXV, and none of them cared even remotely about the things GAF whines about in every single FFXV thread. Just as a reminder for predictions of its possible success and mainstream reception.

Most journalists have been at least cautiously optimistic when playing Epsiode Duscae or the press previews, and I haven't seen any preview shitting completely on it. They had their doubts, yeah, but see the potential, too. It'll be extremely exciting to see the reviews, I'm especially nervous about the German ones. At least one of the sites seems pretty excited after they played the first 3 chapters last week, which is nice to hear. But let's wait for the other previews next week around gamescom.
 
Tyaren said:
He probably unintentionally switched the b with an m. ;) It was supposed to say: "The game will be panned & shite on by critics"
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That explains everything, thanks. For a second I thought I finally find the reason why most critics are shit.
 
Day 0 for me.

I wasn't this exited for a FF game since IX.
I'm so exited that i'm gonna take 1 month vacations just to play this game.

Almost there!

PD: Platinum demo was a mistake.
 
It is shaping up to offer a very grand adventure.

The last question that remains is how it will truly perform on consoles. That is still unclear. Gamescom should hopefully end that uncertainty.
 
I haven't really been following too much of it the last few months which is weird for me in regards to a game I am interested in. I haven't seen any footage in the last few months because in trying to stay away from the negativity that these games create.

With Persona 5 not coming out until next year (WTF?) this is only RPG on the horizon for me. I am sure there will be people on the same boat as me that will buy FFXV just because Persona 5 won't be releasing anytime soon.
 
Kagari said:
Yoshida and A Realm Reborn accomplished this three years ago.
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You have to stop saying this. It's an MMO, it plays differently, it comes with different expectations, and it's judged by different standards. This game might as well not exist for players of single-player mainline Final Fantasy games.
 
AuthenticM said:
You have to stop saying this. It's an MMO, it plays differently, it comes with different expectations, and it's judged by different standards. This game might as well not exist for players of single-player mainline Final Fantasy games.
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But it did reinvigorate FF to millions of ppl. I don't even play it and that is obvious to see. The game is a fan tribute to FF all around
 
has a lot of expectations and all the media and demos so far fell flat on their face. expect low-80s at best for this. poor iq and performance is almost assured. also i expect a garbage ass story since its a tabata game.

AuthenticM said:
You have to stop saying this. It's an MMO, it plays differently, it comes with different expectations, and it's judged by different standards. This game might as well not exist for players of single-player mainline Final Fantasy games.
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lmao. this is true, sorry. as much as i love the visuals and style of 14, aint no way in hell im paying 15$ a month for it.
 
after all these years i'm still not sure what to make of the game... seems like a bunch of ideas cobbled together with no clear vision

i'm keeping the openest of open minds but i'm not handing over my "day one" card
 
labx said:
I'm the only one that enjoy episode Duscae and Platinum Demo?
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No - I really liked Duscae, and enjoyed PD for what it was (especially once I got the hang of the iron giant fight).

This is still my most hyped game, by far. While I acknowledge that the marketing has been uneven, I'm not going to play the marketing, I'm going to play the game.

If they present a reasonably coherent, character driven story that is well paced in a world as huge as they've promised, and if combat is at least as good as Episode Duscae 2.0, I'll be a happy camper.
 
Here's a good post by Pyrrhus on why XIV's success is completely irrelevant to fans of single-player mainline FF games, and thus to the reputation of that line of games.

Pyrrhus said:
I don't care how many FFXI and XIV devotees like to claim their titles of choice are "just as good." It's a different product for a different audience. It's not the same thing. They're entirely different in structure and experience from a game designed to be a single player, cinematic, linear experience rather than a treadmill/skinner box to suck time and thus money from each player as long as possible. The business needs the title represents necessarily inform the structure and pacing of the game.

I played FFXIV v2 to the end credits (though I have not yet played Heavensward) and it was probably the best MMORPG I've played, but it is absolutely shackled by its specific genre and the purpose of its creation. You have to do shitty sidequests to get to the shitty sidequests. I'll never forget being made to collect food for a feast so we can talk to some jerk while a Primal attack could happen at any time.

It's 90% anticlimactic filler. Not at all like the lightning fast pacing of the offline games in the first 2/3 of the series. The only exciting and cinematic moments are the pre-rendered intros to each expansion, which are admittedly pretty amazing. Everything else is either mute talking heads bobbing in an idle stance and shifting roboticly into emotes while the text drones on and on about nothing (content!) or else excruciatingly voiced scenes where everybody puts on their best dinner theater English accents and those scenes still have static blocking and camera work and poor writing and pacing. There's nothing there that even out does the presentation of FFX.

FFXIV can be pretty at times, the music is good, and some people truly enjoy the grind, but it's a fundamentally different beast. Playing a remix of the FF3 battle theme occasionally and letting you wear a white mage's robe doesn't mean they've nailed the feel of the older games. I get exactly what the person you were responding to is talking about. The MMOs can never be a replacement for the offline titles.

FF needs to work on its presentation in a lot of facets. Getting in people who are less baroque in their visual design is absolutely part of it. But learning or re-learning what pacing is, in cinematic design, scenario, and game play seems to me to be at least as important as well.
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To me, the franchise has yet to shed the taint that the XIII games has brought to it. When XII came out, Final Fantasy games were the top shit. Their release was an event, like the fucking Olympics. It was true from the moment I was bought my first FF (VII) up to the release of XIII. So for over six years, I have been waiting for Square to get its shit together and restore the brand to its former glory. I am still waiting. Maybe XV will be it, maybe not. But what I know, is that XIV was not it. Yes, it's a pretty great MMO (I have played it enough to get that unique mount before 2.0 was released) that does things well, but it's still an MMO, so I don't really give a shit about it in the long run.
 
AuthenticM said:
Here's a good post by Pyrrhus on why XIV's success is completely irrelevant to fans of single-player mainline FF games, and thus to the reputation of that line of games.
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I kinda get what you're saying and I agree that the brand's reputation will depend more on singleplayer games than the MMOs, but I think you underestimate just how much crossover there is with fans. The impression I got from nine years with FFXI was that most players simply wanted Final Fantasy; playing with others was more of a bonus. And it was a damn good Final Fantasy game. I've played every entry and I can honestly say that it's one of the most 'Final Fantasy' games in the series' 30 year history. You can't just write off the folks who call XI or XIV great Final Fantasy games simply because another portion of the fanbase is too stubborn to acknowledge them.

Besides, it isn't just a matter of praise, but also criticism. When the original Final Fantasy XIV launched in its dire state, people weren't just looking at FFXIV the MMO. All eyes were on Final Fantasy the brand. FFXIV did damage and if it wasn't for A Realm Reborn turning things around, people would still be talking about XIV in the same breath as XIII. If XIV's launch can hurt the brand, which it did, then its success can also help repair it.
 
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