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FIFA 12 - Previews, Updates, Impressions, et cetera
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Mr Cola said:
I really try to avoid doing that since online will be TD only. The new system is a good system, albeit more complicated and more realistic. I'll try to get used to it by force and sheer amount of time I am putting into the demo.
Stephen_drewz
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Just under 2 weeks to go till release here in AUS. Still cant decide between PS3 or 360, FML!. Unfortunately not in a position to buy both. Demo feels slightly better on 360 for some reason(quite possibly because its my preferred console).
4 active FIFA players on PS3 friends list.
2 active FIFA players on X360 friends list.
Anyone come across a reason to go one or the other?
4 active FIFA players on PS3 friends list.
2 active FIFA players on X360 friends list.
Anyone come across a reason to go one or the other?
Awesome Animals
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Stephen_drewz said:
Well...I know GAF seems to be pretty active on the 360 side of things. Plus we play clubs!
Can't speak for PS3 though
I have been playing the PS3 demo for quite some time, so far I like the new defense system, its obviously quite different and I definitely feel that I am playing defense a lot more now.
Scoring goals in the middle and hard difficulty takes a lot of time and I seem to get lucky every time I score a goal, on the beginner difficulty its almost too easy to score and defend but on the other levels the CPU improves too much for my liking, not sure where other players would rank against that level of difficulty.
One thing that annoys me so much is headers, I can't for the life of me "get" how you need to do headers, the computer seems to pull off amazing LOB's and always gets the position and the right direction and the right strength, its impossible for me to do this and I cannot seem to get the timing right for defending it.
So far I seem to enjoy the game and I will definitely pick it up, the last FIFA game I bought was 08 for my PS2 but I have played all the other ones in my friends consoles and I definitely like how it looks even if the graphics on the PC are a bit better with the right hardware.
Scoring goals in the middle and hard difficulty takes a lot of time and I seem to get lucky every time I score a goal, on the beginner difficulty its almost too easy to score and defend but on the other levels the CPU improves too much for my liking, not sure where other players would rank against that level of difficulty.
One thing that annoys me so much is headers, I can't for the life of me "get" how you need to do headers, the computer seems to pull off amazing LOB's and always gets the position and the right direction and the right strength, its impossible for me to do this and I cannot seem to get the timing right for defending it.
So far I seem to enjoy the game and I will definitely pick it up, the last FIFA game I bought was 08 for my PS2 but I have played all the other ones in my friends consoles and I definitely like how it looks even if the graphics on the PC are a bit better with the right hardware.
gutterboy44
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sestrugen said:
Jockying for headers has always felt impossible to me in all FIFA games. I have been playing 10 to get hyped for 12 and I think I have had one header in 15 matches.
Timekiller
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Stephen_drewz said:
You have the best avatar i have ever seen, i'll ever see.
Awesome Animals
Member
sestrugen said:
The full game is introducing sliders this year, so you can adjust different things to your liking.
Awesome Animals
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Wilbury said:
I try to play with full manual, but because I play so much clubs, it isn't worth the potential miscues while playing clubs on manual. So I only practice during offline play which I play much less of.
TheDrowningMan
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MPW said:noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
looks like no fifa 12 for me
qft
You can play online with legacy, but ranked matches are TD only, as far as I know. That's fair enough.
Menelaus said:Oh look, it's me playing the demo!
lol reminds me of Forlan's miss when he was at manited player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_A6QHdWcXg
Cornballer
Member
That's why we have you control the back line.
TheMissingLink
Member
I LOVE the change of defense. It actually makes playing defense tactical instead of holding a button.
Bought, and will guide the Timbers to MLS glory!!!
Bought, and will guide the Timbers to MLS glory!!!
Just curious, anybody here really have problem playing against pressure whoring? Are you full manual?
I usually play using default settings, only experiment with manual for some options from time to time. I dont really have problem playing against pressure whore at all, it feels harder than playing against normal player but they are really predictable in my opinion.
I usually play using default settings, only experiment with manual for some options from time to time. I dont really have problem playing against pressure whore at all, it feels harder than playing against normal player but they are really predictable in my opinion.
cartoon_soldier
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Semi-Pro I can take on computer
Pro level = get my ass kicked.
lol
Pro level = get my ass kicked.
lol
when I play on professional, sometimes I win the game easily, but when I play a rematch, I get my ass kickedcartoon_soldier said:
but when I switch it to World class/legendary, the game turns to be completely unrealistic. A few times I get a lucky win it as the CPU misses 10 easy chances.
yellow submarine
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I've played some more, and I'm still getting used to the new system. The only problem is that once you make a tackle, and it doesn't connect, your defender is SOL. There better be another guy covering, otherwise the striker is straight on goal. Sure that happens sometimes in football, but not like 98% of the time and it's very frustrating when I'm constantly out of possession. The AI on professional will even find huge gaps in my defense to dribble past using skill moves too =(
I realize the entire paragraph above just sounds like "waaaaaaaaaaaaa why do I suck at defending". I just needed to vent. I still have hope that I will be able to fiddle with some settings to atleast get my single player experience tuned correctly. I never play full H2H games online anyway because of the high controller fatality rate; and as far as clubs go; the defense AI problems won't affect me as much. I think. I hope.
I realize the entire paragraph above just sounds like "waaaaaaaaaaaaa why do I suck at defending". I just needed to vent. I still have hope that I will be able to fiddle with some settings to atleast get my single player experience tuned correctly. I never play full H2H games online anyway because of the high controller fatality rate; and as far as clubs go; the defense AI problems won't affect me as much. I think. I hope.
For you guys that play Fifa using ALTERNATIVE configuration (the one similar to PES serie).
Are you manually chainging the button configuration in order to feel more confortable with the new defensive features or are you leaving the buttons as they are? I'm trying to get used to the ALTERNATIVE configuration but a lot of my friends are messing around with buttons.
Are you manually chainging the button configuration in order to feel more confortable with the new defensive features or are you leaving the buttons as they are? I'm trying to get used to the ALTERNATIVE configuration but a lot of my friends are messing around with buttons.
You guys don't really have to force yourselves to like the new defense system you know... and neither is switching back to Legacy Defending the only solution. By just swapping a few buttons around you'll retain pretty much the same off-the-ball control system as in previous games but WITHOUT assisted runs and automatic tackles (you're gonna have to do those manually). Once you become adept at it, you'll realize it offers you more control and I think that's a good thing moving forward imho...
Snowballo said:
I keep it at Alternate. I tends to go and play at my friends' place quite often, so I dont wanna change it back and forth when playing with them.
adelante said:
I feel that TD is an improvement to LD, but it's gonna take a lot of getting used to. Auto-tackle is bad, even in FIFA11. If the attacker knows the trick/timing they are very easy to evade and/or lure into committing foul. Tricks like Ball rolls, Drag back is enough to cause havoc. Now in FIFA12 the precision dribbling will allow even finer twist and turn, even the normal dribbling is improved as well. Once people get used to the new system, LD wont be good enough to defend. Just my two cents.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I don't usually feel like this for most games because giving the user options is usually good. However, I do feel like FIFA games giving you a tonne of different, divergent control options seems to really split up the way the game is played. I wish they'd actually make a fucking decision as to how they want to design the player controls rather than their 'you decide' policy.
Snowballo said:
I use "alternative" but I'm going to try swapping the A and X buttons as I keep pressing A to tackle which is stuffing me up. Just so used to it now but I really like the new tactical defending so I want to get used to it rather than spend another year with the shitty legacy defending.
Yeah it definitely is an improvement, at least as far as them removing automated tackles is concerned, which by itself was a major issue in past games. And with TD, once you reach a certain distance there's still that extra step of manually moving in to steal the ball, unless you're coming in at a perfect angle and/or the dribbler has nowhere to go, then holding A pretty much has your player rushing in all the way for the tackle. Thankfully, that doesn't happen too often.SumGamer said:
Another VERY important element they've introduced to the tackle function (apart from having it separate to jockeying) is making it independent of your position relative to the dribbler. In previous games, your player won't perform a tackle action until he's within reach of the ball so this paved way for people to keep spamming that button even before they got close. Doing so now will have your player sticking out his leg repeatedly, regardless of how far he is from the dribbler so the game forces you to save your tackles only for opportune moments, ie when you're close and confident enough to steal the ball.
LabouredSubterfuge said:
I believe they did intend for people to use the new default controls, It's just a matter of getting used to it. I personally refuse to since a better option exists for me (might as well take advantage of the fact you can swap button functions around)
I agree that with the new more powerful dribbling we needed a better way of defending to cope.
The TD will definitely work better when you control just one player in clubs mode. It's the switching players and trying to keep up with the passing that confuses things.
I think maybe playing on slow will help things. When you watch real football it's very similar to TD, lots of standing off and keeping shape.
I'm glad we have a game changer in there. Did anyone really want just another FIFA 11 with new animations? TD changes things fundamentally to the point where you have to adjust every facet of your play style. It's the kind of challenge and freshening up I wanted anyway.
Other gamers who don't wanna keep up can go back to PES which sounds like it's made a bit of a comeback and is a viable more casual experience? I know a few guys who still like it cos they've never been bothered to really learn how to play FIFA.
The TD will definitely work better when you control just one player in clubs mode. It's the switching players and trying to keep up with the passing that confuses things.
I think maybe playing on slow will help things. When you watch real football it's very similar to TD, lots of standing off and keeping shape.
I'm glad we have a game changer in there. Did anyone really want just another FIFA 11 with new animations? TD changes things fundamentally to the point where you have to adjust every facet of your play style. It's the kind of challenge and freshening up I wanted anyway.
Other gamers who don't wanna keep up can go back to PES which sounds like it's made a bit of a comeback and is a viable more casual experience? I know a few guys who still like it cos they've never been bothered to really learn how to play FIFA.
I've spent more time with the demo, and while the game does some things right, overall, the feeling it leaves me is the same that I get with all football games: they don't get it!
Like I said in the PES 2012 demo thread, the problem I see is they don't really understand football. They can't create a good football game because they don't understand how football works. They focus on on the ball control and on the ball action, when football is all about movement without the ball.
There's a button to make runs for players, but what's the use of it when they just run forward instead of running to the clear space? You see your teammates gravitating around you, standing by some invisible position, it never matters if there's a defender in there or if that's your clear space and they should move away from you so you can run free or have an open pass. And well, the run button is a joke, because when you press it you see your player "running" with his head looking at you, his arm raised and never going into the space, just pretending he's available. Damn it, go into the space, go offside if it's needed, just let me decide when it's the right time to make the pass. But no, they just run keeping the line, coaching you, raising their arms like they're available and you didn't realise. No shit, you are rising your hand because I pushed a button!
Then there's defenders. You can just defend with two guys. The rest will be standing in some invisible mark, never helping in the pressing, never covering the open space. They are just there, awaiting their moment. There's a corner kick and the ball is refused and know what? There're four defenders, but the striker will get the ball without oposition, because my side defenders will be near the line and my central defenders will be far from him. And even when one is near him, the other is never covering the position, just in case. There's no defensive sistem to speak of. Defenders just stand in invisible marks, never caring abour covering clear spaces. The joke comes when you use the Team Pressing command. Nothing changes! And have you seen when you're back defender runs back to defend the striker position? Have you seen him breaking the whole offside line so he can defend the striker? Hey, have you ever thought about letting him pass and make him stay offline? Of course not!
And on the ball control is something to think about. When defenders can clear the ball and that clearing is a precise 50 meters passing, something's wrong. When all the players, even central defenders, can do impressive passes under serious pressure, something's wrong. When the passing abilities of every player are Xavi's, somethings wrong. It's fun, because there's no sense in having Xavi in your team in a game like this. He's slow, he's got no big and strong body and his passes are just like anybody else in the game. Even the "skilled" de Jong is a preferable option.
Then the physics are the usual retarded physics of soccer games, where players with the ball are more controllable than players without the ball. Not to talk that seeing Kolarova doing Zidane-like tricks is stupid. But it doesn't matter, it's like you're seeing spotlight moments of a whole league put into a game.
And how dificulty works is laughable at best. You are Richards, there's a lob and Messi gets the ball. Of course, when you are Messi, you never get the ball. It's amazing seeing the computer do all the time the same play, no matter what team you play against, they all do the same. They only know one way. If you know how to stop it, then they resort to goals from midfield, ping-pong deflections and what not.
The sad thing is these have been the problems with football games since PES 2-3. And we haven't gotten any further. Someone will say this is not meant to be exactly like football, it's a game after all. Then give me a fucking fun game that doesn't put itself a sim-like coat and plays nothing like a sim. Give me Sensible Socer, not this.
Like I said in the PES 2012 demo thread, the problem I see is they don't really understand football. They can't create a good football game because they don't understand how football works. They focus on on the ball control and on the ball action, when football is all about movement without the ball.
There's a button to make runs for players, but what's the use of it when they just run forward instead of running to the clear space? You see your teammates gravitating around you, standing by some invisible position, it never matters if there's a defender in there or if that's your clear space and they should move away from you so you can run free or have an open pass. And well, the run button is a joke, because when you press it you see your player "running" with his head looking at you, his arm raised and never going into the space, just pretending he's available. Damn it, go into the space, go offside if it's needed, just let me decide when it's the right time to make the pass. But no, they just run keeping the line, coaching you, raising their arms like they're available and you didn't realise. No shit, you are rising your hand because I pushed a button!
Then there's defenders. You can just defend with two guys. The rest will be standing in some invisible mark, never helping in the pressing, never covering the open space. They are just there, awaiting their moment. There's a corner kick and the ball is refused and know what? There're four defenders, but the striker will get the ball without oposition, because my side defenders will be near the line and my central defenders will be far from him. And even when one is near him, the other is never covering the position, just in case. There's no defensive sistem to speak of. Defenders just stand in invisible marks, never caring abour covering clear spaces. The joke comes when you use the Team Pressing command. Nothing changes! And have you seen when you're back defender runs back to defend the striker position? Have you seen him breaking the whole offside line so he can defend the striker? Hey, have you ever thought about letting him pass and make him stay offline? Of course not!
And on the ball control is something to think about. When defenders can clear the ball and that clearing is a precise 50 meters passing, something's wrong. When all the players, even central defenders, can do impressive passes under serious pressure, something's wrong. When the passing abilities of every player are Xavi's, somethings wrong. It's fun, because there's no sense in having Xavi in your team in a game like this. He's slow, he's got no big and strong body and his passes are just like anybody else in the game. Even the "skilled" de Jong is a preferable option.
Then the physics are the usual retarded physics of soccer games, where players with the ball are more controllable than players without the ball. Not to talk that seeing Kolarova doing Zidane-like tricks is stupid. But it doesn't matter, it's like you're seeing spotlight moments of a whole league put into a game.
And how dificulty works is laughable at best. You are Richards, there's a lob and Messi gets the ball. Of course, when you are Messi, you never get the ball. It's amazing seeing the computer do all the time the same play, no matter what team you play against, they all do the same. They only know one way. If you know how to stop it, then they resort to goals from midfield, ping-pong deflections and what not.
The sad thing is these have been the problems with football games since PES 2-3. And we haven't gotten any further. Someone will say this is not meant to be exactly like football, it's a game after all. Then give me a fucking fun game that doesn't put itself a sim-like coat and plays nothing like a sim. Give me Sensible Socer, not this.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Does anyone know amazon's policy with game credit? I noticed it's now only $10 credit where when I reserved it, you would receive $20 credit. Will I still get $20 credit because of when I ordered or do they not guarantee game credit and I'll only get $10?
Cornballer
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To clarify, you get the best deal that was offered from the time you ordered to when it shipped. (i.e. if they increase the credit after you order, you'll get the bigger amount)Menelaus said:
Cornballer
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- Via Fifasoccerblog: FIFA 12 All 40 Celebrations Tutorial HD
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Cornballer said:
Ah, ok. I know it's that way with the price but I wasn't sure if the credit was technically part of their best price thing.
Cornballer
Member
New commercials that EA is rolling out for the FIFA 12 launch:
- The United States of FIFA
FIFA Soccer 12 Matchups:
- Tim Lincecum vs Landon Donovan
- Steve Nash vs Hope Solo
- The United States of FIFA
FIFA Soccer 12 Matchups:
- Tim Lincecum vs Landon Donovan
- Steve Nash vs Hope Solo
Awesome Animals
Member
JWong said:
Well, to be fair, Nash attributes his vision as a point guard to playing soccer growing up.
Awesome Animals
Member
Menelaus said:
I feel sad that I know what you're talking about.
Also, they are playing on XBOX, using PS3 controllers.
Cornballer
Member
Best bit is Lincecum making fun of Donovan's receding hairline.