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[Gareth Bale]

Bale 86, jesus christ. Some Fifa ratings are pure hype shit

 

[Fry]

I think he's a good player, but he was fine at 83/84.


Bale at 86 is one more reason to make me think these leaked ratings aren't definitive!!

 

[carroto]

Is it just me or did most defenders receive a major pace downgrade ?

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Im not looking forward to sunderlands, in the past bent, jones, gyan have been the best players on our team infact a bit overpowered now we have none of them. Alough we do have the best striker in the world on loan so there is hope.

Basically 'Top 4' clubs are boosted by hype, likewise teams in Europe. Rest of the Premier league are rated sensible.

Can't believe Liverpool fans are complaining about their player ratings. Carroll has been increased from 79 to 82 since the FIFA 10 Jan update, and he's done nothing since then.

Top #20 English Premier League based FUT rated players:

Wayne Rooney - 177 24/10/1985 Right Man Utd England 90
Nemanja Vidić - 189 21/10/1981 Right Man Utd Serbia 89
Carlos Tévez - 172 02/05/1984 Right Man City Argentina 88
Luka Modrić - 175 09/09/1985 Right Tottenham Croatia 88
Frank Lampard - 184 20/6/1978 Right Chelsea England 87
Steven Gerrard - 183 30/5/1980 Right Liverpool England 87
David Josué Jimenez Silva David Silva 171 01/08/1986 Left Man City Spain 87
Rio Ferdinand - 192 11/07/1978 Right Man Utd England 87
Rafael van der Vaart - 176 02/11/1983 Left Tottenham Netherlands 87
Robin van Persie - 188 08/06/1983 Left Arsenal Netherlands 86
Didier Drogba - 189 03/11/1978 Right Chelsea Ivory Coast 86
John Terry - 187 12/07/1980 Right Chelsea England 86
Fernando José Torres Sanz Fernando Torres 183 20/3/1984 Right Chelsea Spain 86
Sergio Agüero - 175 06/02/1988 Right Man City Argentina 86
Samir Nasri - 177 26/6/1987 Right Man City France 86
Gareth Bale - 183 16/7/1989 Left Tottenham Wales 86
Petr Čech - 196 20/5/1982 Left Chelsea Czech Repubic 85
Ashley Cole - 176 20/12/1980 Left Chelsea England 85
Juan Manuel Mata García Mata 170 28/4/1988 Left Chelsea Spain 85
Luis Suárez - 181 24/1/1987 Right Liverpool Uruguay 85

Crazy.

 

[Fry]

I'm complaining about some ratings but I'm admiting some others are unfairly given. Gerrard shouldn't be higher than 85 and Carroll shouldn't be higher than 80.

On this list you have Cech but not Reina. What a joke.

 

[kaizoku]

Rooney feels far too slow in the arena, and Messi seems far too fast!

While I like the idea of defending in this game it does seem too inaccessible and difficult and maybe even too boring to bother with. I certainly cant see the whole FIFA 11 fanbase making the commitment to learn it.

That said when I went back to FIFA 11 the other day I found myself trying to make defenders contain because otherwise I get twisted inside out very easily so there's a potential plus point!

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Those who don't want to learn the new defending system are going to miss out on a more realistic aspect of football in a video game. They were perhaps the ones that were happy with just steamrolling over attacks to win the ball back.

Press & Cover.

That's how you defend. No other way about it. Now we have it in the game. How you Press & Cover is up to you as a manager. You might want to sit deep and invite the attack to try and work the ball around the box. Showing attackers away from goal and into the flanks when they get near the area, forcing them to cross the ball into a penalty box with 6-8 defenders waiting to clear.

Or you might want to press high, leave the space behind the back line, forcing attackers into the middle of the park in a congested midfield.

Both ways work in FIFA12 depending on the opposition.

 

[José Mourinho]

So is the idea of the tactical defending to give the user greater control or was the legacy defending considered too easy?

 

[Gareth Bale]

So is the idea of the tactical defending to give the user greater control or was the legacy defending considered too easy?

Probably both. Defending should be more than just knowing when to hold A and when not to.

 

[Harry_Tequila]

Hmmm, finding the demo significantly more difficult than I used to find FIFA. Probably just need to get used to it but on 11 I could annihilate the CPU on Legendary, whereas it's very rare that I even score now...

 

[kaizoku]

I'm having "some" joy with the following system but it's still very clunky and devoid of tackling.

I'll press RB to make the CPU contain and I'll hold off or contain with A. This means I rarely need to be sprinting and pressing RB at the same time as A makes your guy sprint if need be.

In the event I need to sprint jockey it's because I'll be in a one on one situation so I dont need my AI containing.

However I'm not sure how to make the AI tackle given an opportunity, it feels like they should be able to get a tackle in as well. Otherwise it feels like AI contain is just a delaying tactic which requires me to get involved at some point.

Ah who am I kidding I have no fucking clue how this shit is supposed to work nicely. Playing in legendary trying to practice defending was so hard. The ball just moves around so quickly and rarely felt like I was in a position to win the ball. Even interceptions were rare, it just hasn't clicked yet.

 

[José Mourinho]

Probably both. Defending should be more than just knowing when to hold A and when not to.

With tactical I feel like I know what I want to do, but that I just can't get the system to pull it off. Were as with legacy, I can still jocky players and force them to where I want them to go.

I'm having "some" joy with the following system but it's still very clunky and devoid of tackling.

I'll press RB to make the CPU contain and I'll hold off or contain with A. This means I rarely need to be sprinting and pressing RB at the same time as A makes your guy sprint if need be.

In the event I need to sprint jockey it's because I'll be in a one on one situation so I dont need my AI containing.

However I'm not sure how to make the AI tackle given an opportunity, it feels like they should be able to get a tackle in as well. Otherwise it feels like AI contain is just a delaying tactic which requires me to get involved at some point.

Ah who am I kidding I have no fucking clue how this shit is supposed to work nicely. Playing in legendary trying to practice defending was so hard. The ball just moves around so quickly and rarely felt like I was in a position to win the ball. Even interceptions were rare, it just hasn't clicked yet.

I switched back to the old style of defending. To me, the only difference between tactical and legacy is that holding A no longer gives you the tackle at the end. They've just made A do what it did last year, but you have to input the tackle yourself with B. Which I sort of did anyway by doing additional presses of A if the auto tackle so to speak didn't come off. As for jockying, you can do all that with the old system anyway. It comes across to me like they've just made the system more complicated when it didn't mean to.

Some people say it's more realistic but I don't know. I can force players in to making a pass or contain them with the old system just fine using jocky and jocky sprint, with no need to just constantly hold A. Where as with the new system, I find I jocky them, go in for the tackle, and fail every time.

Edit: and IMO, somewhat unrealistically with the tactical system, a missed tackle using B kills all the players momentum and the runner just beats you hands down. It's as if real players can't stick a foot out, miss, and continue on a run. Instead, they just stop dead.

 

[fresquito]

The more I play, the more problems I find.

- Is it me or onee on one against GKs are too hard? I can hardly score any goal one on one against the GK with Messi or Villa. That's ridiculous.
- Through passes are a joke. They always go to the nearest oponent and are too vertical.
- Why every defender overuns my Messi or Alexis Sánchez when I do a through pass, even when my player has all the advantage?
- Defending is really dificult. No matter what you do, taking the ball off a rival is really hard. And physics are a joke. Attackers can do full stops like they weigh nothing and the ball is tied to their feet. But defenders are slow reacting as shit.

All in all I'm having a good time because there're more goods than bads, but the GK being God is really tiring and defending is too hard. I set it too aout and somehow it improves, but UI don't understand how they get the ball off you from behind and you can hardly get it when they're in front of you.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

The pace on the ball when passing (especially along the floor) feels all wrong. The acceleration/deceleration physics just seem visibly incorrect. Seems a pretty fundamental thing to get right too.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

I missed tackle will kill your momentum, as you're shifting your balance to make the tackle. You see it all the time in football.

 

[José Mourinho]

I missed tackle will kill your momentum, as you're shifting your balance to make the tackle. You see it all the time in football.

Yo do, but you also see just as many attempted tackles that don't stop the defender dead in his tracks. In FIFA 12, it seams every missed tackle is the former.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Wouldn't say it was every tackle, all depends on which direction you're going, and what direction the attacker moves when you miss the tackle. Sometimes the defender will over reach to make up for the change in direction and that kills the momentum. As it should.

I like to hate on FIFA's stupid mistakes as much as the next person, and I'm sure I'll be in full blown FIFA RAGE within a day of playing online, blaming everything for my defeats. However, so far I like the new defending, and think the changes are fairly accurate.

 

[MarshMellow96]

Go to controller options and switch to 'legacy defending'.

 

[José Mourinho]

Go to controller options and switch to 'legacy defending'.

I've changed back and am much happier.

 

[leng jai]

I've changed back and am much happier.

Pointless if you plan to play online.

 

[Bumhead]

Some of you boys haggling over 2 or 3 points in the stats for the top players aught to be fans of a lower league club. That's where EA's research team get really interesting/bizarre..

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Some of you boys haggling over 2 or 3 points in the stats for the top players aught to be fans of a lower league club. That's where EA's research team get really interesting/bizarre..

Very true. One might assert that they don't have a fucking clue.

 

[Gareth Bale]

Some of you boys haggling over 2 or 3 points in the stats for the top players aught to be fans of a lower league club. That's where EA's research team get really interesting/bizarre..

They rely on fans for a lot of that by the way. I used to be in their research programme thing. Can't remember what it's called, but I was a researcher for Tottenham. Didn't have any say on the stats though. The only thing I did was change the position of one of our reserve players. You have to explain every change your make and get them approved.

This thing: http://www.eafootballtalentscout.com/TalentScout/TalentScout/index.aspx

 

[Bumhead]

Aye, I know. We have a regular poster on Wednesday's major forum who does this.

Regardless, some of the stats and ratings are really up and down.

Speaking of which, does anyone know how active the modding community is for FIFA on the PC? This is the first time I'll be buying it on PC and I've been blessed by the PES modders for a while.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Man, what I do for Sports Interactive, people who do the exact same thing for EA Sports get paid.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Go to controller options and switch to 'legacy defending'.

Oh awesome going to try that

 

[longdi]

imo tactical defending works better for bap cam and i would think bap controlling a single player. the normal cam is just too pulled out for me to use all the tactical moves, too much buttons to press and need to pay attention to 10 outfield players. ends up i committed to much fouls and penalty! the AI have an advantage here.

i can see where EA is doing with TD, finally a move away from the type of defending pioneered by WE, but it needs some work.

 

[José Mourinho]

After my moaning about tactical defending I think I'm using it better now. I changed a lot of the other controls to semi or manual and find that the greater control of the team put on my allows me to work the everything including the defending better.

 

[pakkit]

I'm still in awe at the graphics. Such a tremendous upgrade from last years.

 

[fresquito]

What's wrong with GKs? This game is sufering PES sindrome, where it's easier score a goal from out of the box than when you're one on one. Abosulutely terrible GKs.

 

[Hixx]

Man, what I do for Sports Interactive, people who do the exact same thing for EA Sports get paid.

Work on the databases? A select few for EA do but there's hundreds who contribute for free.

 

[Turok_TTZ]

Annoyed with ratings for Madrid. Benzema should be a 86 minimum. CR7 can go down to 87 for all I care if it means benzema can get rated higher.

 

[José Mourinho]

No, I dislike it again. It seems to difficult to select the player you want to control. The game is flowing, you pick the player you want to have mark one attacker and have the CPU contain the man on the ball. He passes and now you want to change, by the time you change they've passed again and you just get confused. I can't get to grips with this at all.

 

[Awesome Animals]

No, I dislike it again. It seems to difficult to select the player you want to control. The game is flowing, you pick the player you want to have mark one attacker and have the CPU contain the man on the ball. He passes and now you want to change, by the time you change they've passed again and you just get confused. I can't get to grips with this at all.

Do you use the right stick to change players when on defense? That helps a lot, as does making sure you are patient with holding the secondary player contain button. You don't need to be controlling the defender on the ball all the time.

 

[kaizoku]

No, I dislike it again. It seems to difficult to select the player you want to control. The game is flowing, you pick the player you want to have mark one attacker and have the CPU contain the man on the ball. He passes and now you want to change, by the time you change they've passed again and you just get confused. I can't get to grips with this at all.

One of the hardest things about real world defending is discipline and organization and I guess this is a step closer to the real deal. Separate the wheat from the chaff.

Its definitely more painful than fun for me right now though. I might have to do what I did in FIFA 11 when I first started and just go to amateur and build up from there. Like playing an instrument, it really does help to learn from the ground up.

Then I did the same for manual passing and got myself up to a good standard with that even though when I started it felt impossible.

 

[Citizen K]

Admittedly only played the demo a handful of times. I find the defending quite hard. However, I will keep trying and assume I'll get the hang of it eventually. I can see why ea done it, clearly defending was too easy on previous fifa's. I wouldn't call the new defending realistic at all, however.

 

[rvy]

Enough time to realize that I can't go back to Legacy, Tactical feels much better now. Looks like this will be my footy game for this season too, really enjoying it the more I play.
My issues with skills seem to have been solved and passing as well. They just need to get animations to a higher quality level and I'm a happy camper. Some shooting looks weird, but it's to a much lesser extent than previous years. A few lobbed passes and crossing animations are also awkward, but they're fine for the most part. Ground passes still have the same issues with missing frames when you do a 1-2, but it is what it is.

If FIFA 13 fixes these, it will be my new WE10/PES6.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Hope they can stop making games for PS2 and finally make a true next gen FIFA game.

 

[José Mourinho]

Do you use the right stick to change players when on defense? That helps a lot, as does making sure you are patient with holding the secondary player contain button. You don't need to be controlling the defender on the ball all the time.

Yeah, but I still think it's crud.

Edit: I've had more success just sitting on the secondary contain button as you say, but then I think, what's really all that different about this and legacy? Was the gripe that defending on the old system was just knowing when to hold a button.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Well, pretty much.

You'd hold down 1 button, and it would close down/pressure/barge/tackle for you. If you held down 2 buttons, it would do all of the above but with 2 players. You'd just steamroll through attackers, and generally win the ball.

Way to counter that? Keep tapping the pass button so you could ping the ball pass the incoming player. It worked because the AI wouldn't set up a covering defending to look after the space you (and perhaps a second player) had left behind.

Now that's changed, there's a press and cover AI in place, so if I go to press, the AI will shift over to cover the space I've left.

 

[JWong]

Hope they can stop making games for PS2 and finally make a true next gen FIFA game.

They were suppose to stop making them this year, but PS2 just keeps on trucking.

Has no affect on the PS3/360/PC development though.

 

[cmoyano]

jesus people..come on. Some of you are just dont understand the changes. Put it all on manual with tactical defending on legendary and you have yourself a challenge. This is how football is played, the new defending system is beast. Its one of the best additions to the game. No more running and scoring, anyone who uses the system well enough is going to make it really hard for other players online to score. I loved the demo, pre ordered the game immediately. Trhough passes go to nearest opponent if you have it on anything else other than manual, swtich it up and play like its meant to be played. Thanks

 

[Metalmurphy]

Hope they can stop making games for PS2 and finally make a true next gen FIFA game.

They are different games.

 

[Mr Cola]

is there a tool to change the defending from tactical to legacy? Im on the pc version and it wont let me edit that in the controller menu

 

[Metalmurphy]

is there a tool to change the defending from tactical to legacy? Im on the pc version and it wont let me edit that in the controller menu

If your using keyboard it won't let you change it, but if you're using a controller you should have no problems changing it.

 

[Mr Cola]

If your using keyboard it won't let you change it, but if you're using a controller you should have no problems changing it.

Im using that controller config thing that allows me to use a ps3 controller, wont let me change it :{

 

[Metalmurphy]

Im using that controller config thing that allows me to use a ps3 controller, wont let me change it :{

"Controller config" that allows you to use a ps3 controller? oO

How exactly are you using the PS3 controller? If your using motion joy just set it as a 360 controller and you won't need to configure anything

 

[Mr Cola]

"Controller config" that allows you to use a ps3 controller? oO

How exactly are you using the PS3 controller? If your using motion joy just set it as a 360 controller and you won't need to configure anything

Sorry config was a wrong word, im using the method where you rename the hkey settings in the registry

 

[Mr Cola]

Dont worry i fixed it, ironically using the keyboard allows me to change it not the controller

 

[Metalmurphy]

That's weird though, I didn't need to edit anything to get my PS3 controller to work.