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Final Fantasy VIII ® Remastered |OT| Recensored & Still Waiting...

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
That's like saying a 99 Potions cheat is out of place because you can buy that many potions later on.
I mean I guess it's a cheat so it doesn't really matter either way. But you can get Diablos pretty early on and be rocking Enc-None within the first few hours of the game.

Having a button combo able to toggle it on/off though is definitely a QoL improvement, so 🤷‍♂️. At worst it'll make for some interesting "low level" guides and at best it'll help someone enjoy the game a lot more than they would have otherwise, so I'm not dissing it or anything. Just noting that it seems out of place.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Don't know bout you guys but I'm 3 hours in and I'm surprised how well this still plays.
And it looks like it's belongs between IX and X visually thanks to the updates which helps.
But man this is what I've been missing.
This is my Final Fantasy
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I linked to this in my earlier post but it feels like I should share this in the game's OT as well:

Story time.

This game came out a few weeks after I barely survived an automobile accident. My older brother worked for Blockbuster at the time, and brought me a PS1 and this game to play in the hospital and I continued playing it after I got home. I had short term memory loss - and on top of that I had trouble forming short term memories in my brain. I probably played the first 3-4 hours of this game 100 times (or more, I can't really recall) before I finally figured out what was going on, how the systems in the game worked, how to optimize your team, and what was happening in the story.

As the story progressed and I learned that the characters in the game were also suffering from memory afflictions, I was flabbergasted. I remember thinking "even if this affliction I suffer from is permanent, I'm lucky to be alive and my life will march forward."

A few weeks later I started re-gaining my ability to form short term memories. I attribute a lot of that to this game in particular. As such, this game means a lot to me.
 

ROMhack

Member
Oh hang on, is the whole game in 4:3? I thought people were referencing the FMVs

I play it in 4:3 on my PSP fine but I can imagine it looking much worse on Switch

Edit: FF7 was also like this and I thought it was fine.
 
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jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Oh hang on, is the whole game in 4:3? I thought people were referencing the FMVs

I play it in 4:3 on my PSP fine but I can imagine it looking much worse on Switch
The entire game is 4:3. Go back and look at the screenshot section of the OP, for example.

There are cheat indicators on the left-hand black bar, but otherwise it's all contained in the 4:3 section of the screen.
 
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Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I mean I guess it's a cheat so it doesn't really matter either way. But you can get Diablos pretty early on and be rocking Enc-None within the first few hours of the game.

You can get Diablos early but I think you forgot how much AP it takes to get enc-none haha
 

Komatsu

Member
For those playing for the first time - yes, nothing past CD 3 (are they calling it "Part 3" now that there's no CD-swapping?) makes any damn sense.
 

ROMhack

Member
The entire game is 4:3. Go back and look at the screenshot section of the OP, for example.

There are cheat indicators on the left-hand black bar, but otherwise it's all contained in the 4:3 section of the screen.

Yeah FF7 was the same. I didn't think it was much of an issue personally.
 
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Dabaus

Banned
If use the No enocunters or 3x speed features does that mean i can no longer gain trophies anymore? Thanks.
 

HoldSteady

Neo Member
Im not sure why I bought this. I still haven’t finished my 9 playthrough or Grandia or Secret of Mana. The little that I did play looked pretty good I thought. The backgrounds are definitely a little blurry. I’m playing on the switch though so maybe the other consoles look better in that regard. Still it’s nice to have the game playable for a new generation that might have missed it when it originally released.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Another day, another hour of my lunch break burned up mostly playing Triple Triad. Got me the Quistis, Mini Mog, and Ifrit cards to basically pile drive through most everything. Finishing off my hand now with Biggs and Wedge as well as the Marlboro card. I also got the Diff rule to successfully spread in Balamb so I'm farming cards like a mofo. Now I'm getting ready for the Dollet mission where I'll kill everyone but Seifer and have him farm all the good abilities from my GFs so I can start carding all the regular enemies I encounter. This game is nutso.

If use the No enocunters or 3x speed features does that mean i can no longer gain trophies anymore? Thanks.
I'm playing on Switch so I'm not sure, but I believe others here (or on Reddit, can't remember where I read) said that the in-game cheats didn't affect trophies at all.
 

Dabaus

Banned
Another day, another hour of my lunch break burned up mostly playing Triple Triad. Got me the Quistis, Mini Mog, and Ifrit cards to basically pile drive through most everything. Finishing off my hand now with Biggs and Wedge as well as the Marlboro card. I also got the Diff rule to successfully spread in Balamb so I'm farming cards like a mofo. Now I'm getting ready for the Dollet mission where I'll kill everyone but Seifer and have him farm all the good abilities from my GFs so I can start carding all the regular enemies I encounter. This game is nutso.


I'm playing on Switch so I'm not sure, but I believe others here (or on Reddit, can't remember where I read) said that the in-game cheats didn't affect trophies at all.

Thanks. I really want to play with encounters none and 3x speed but also want to collect trophies.
 

SLUG_____

Neo Member
At least for 6 might I suggest Project Atmaweapon?


Fixes and replaces the graphics in the entire game. Also lets you choose between different ones, including going full classic or finish the job Square more than half-assed and go full Amano (Sprites based on the original Amano artwork, which look really great if different).
Wow never knew this was a thing. I'll have to check that out, thanks!
 

Shifty

Member
I started my playthrough of the OG version, managed to beat elvoret and pass the SeeD exam so that's one less gaming albatross around my neck!

So far I'm really liking it. Weird is accurate. I'm running into the unexpected all over the place when it comes to pacing, scene format, game mechanics, all sorts.
And for all the Better Junction Your GFs LOL jokes that have been made over the years, I think this system is ten times more interesting than your average MP bar. Complex at first glance, but satisfying to explore.

And the presentation! The FMV pre-rendered backgrounds being combined with real-time characters is a real treat for the PS1, and so often too!

Ol' pixel-face cleans up quite nicely at 1440p with perspective-correct texturing and vertex stabilization as well:

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What the fuck is this opener even, I thought this would be way later in the game. Like, these two already knowing eachother and Rinoa trying to cheer Squall up and get him to be less introverted or something :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Yumi

Member
I started my playthrough of the OG version, managed to beat elvoret and pass the SeeD exam so that's one less gaming albatross around my neck!

So far I'm really liking it. Weird is accurate. I'm running into the unexpected all over the place when it comes to pacing, scene format, game mechanics, all sorts.
And for all the Better Junction Your GFs LOL jokes that have been made over the years, I think this system is ten times more interesting than your average MP bar. Complex at first glance, but satisfying to explore.

And the presentation! The FMV pre-rendered backgrounds being combined with real-time characters is a real treat for the PS1, and so often too!

Ol' pixel-face cleans up quite nicely at 1440p with perspective-correct texturing and vertex stabilization as well:

Final-Fantasy-VIII-USA-Disc-1-190906-215003.png


What the fuck is this opener even, I thought this would be way later in the game. Like, these two already knowing eachother and Rinoa trying to cheer Squall up and get him to be less introverted or something :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Glad you are enjoying it. My favorite FF game. My only personal complaints about the remaster is squalls face (I like his longer head and weirder hair) and the battle menu lag. Still enjoying the game a ton, its been a while.

Her suckering up to him get explained later.
 

mango drank

Member
Anyone else experiencing this thing where the flashing "hand" cursor from the in-game menus persists as a flickering afterimage after quitting out of the game? I.e., after you're back in the OS, the screen flickers in areas where the hand cursor appeared, and stays there for a long time, gradually fading. (Not sure if this is limited to the PC version, might very well be happening on the console version on TVs too, I dunno.)

I was ready to join the FFVIIIR defense force, but uh ... not anymore. I'm not risking a ruined monitor. I've been gaming a long time, never seen a game have this sort of effect on a monitor before. Nice QA job, Dotemu.

Other people posted a thread about it, and someone posted a video of the problem. None of these are mine.


 
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jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Just finished the first "Disc". 11 hours on the clock, Squall level 8 with everyone else being level 9 except Rinoa at 11 (her starting level) and Irvine at 13 (his starting level).

This game is so wacky, the story makes absolutely no sense and it only gets worse from here. I love it.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
12 hours, still (mostly) level 9. Just got the garden water ship thing so soon it's off to cactuar island to grind grind grind that AP

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Fret Runner

Member
I love the basketball court scene so much.
Never have I seen a story fall to bits so quickly.
My face everytime I get to that part on a replay
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Still will always love this game, goofy ass story, flaws an all though.
The speed and health cheats get rid of 90% of my annoyance with the amount of grind there is, so grinding out those magic draws and running round in a circle outside the Shumi village to get 99 ultimas on everybody goes from taking 10 hours to like two, so that's a plus.

Ultimecia is such a weak villan story wise. She's suddenly mentioned an becomes the big bad, gets hyped up by people because of how bad she is.......then has a couple of text boxes at the end and has a odd accent, that's it.
Also, I find it funny, after all the years I wondered about how she got Griever, all the fan thories I read etc,
Turns out She just yoinked it from Squall via her draw command during their first fight when she was Edea.

All in all, I have always loved revisiting this glorious messy game and the remaster will happily be my go to in the future for all my "friendship, peace and love is the key to beating Time Compression" needs.

Everybody: Hey, Laguna, do you REALLY think Frindship, love and promises will save us from Time compression?

Laguna:
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jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I'm fully convinced that the actual final boss of this game is winning the Laguna card from Ellone in space, using the random rule.
 

ROMhack

Member
I did really like the game at first but my ultimate impression is that it goes downhill fast after Disc 3.

The storytelling ascends to sheer silliness after that section, which ironically is represented by the characters going into frigging space and having a romance scene. Worse, I don't think there's a single plot development for a character not named Squall or Rinoa once you leave Trabia Gardens (Selphie's part). I'll have to double-check that.

Gameplay is still fun and that is very much a saving grace for me. I'm right at the end, Ultimecia's Castle.
 
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Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I've been playing this with the Ragnarok difficulty mod, currently on disc 2 after the missile base. Its fuckin great. Upgrading weapons is actually worthwhile, magic is VERY good but not overpowered, and you can draw up to 100 at once depending on your stats. Plus since it uses the steam version I get the speed boost that you folks are enjoying :)

Worse, I don't think there's a single plot development for a character not named Squall or Rinoa once you leave Trabia Gardens (Selphie's part). I'll have to double-check that.

Zell gets a couple more tiny plot tidbits with the library girl subplot and his usefulness in the Deep Sea Research Center, but you are correct. That is why Ueamatsu said he didn't compose character music themes like how he did for other Final Fantasy games. Its pointless when only Squall and Rinoa push the plot.
 

ROMhack

Member
Zell gets a couple more tiny plot tidbits with the library girl subplot and his usefulness in the Deep Sea Research Center, but you are correct. That is why Ueamatsu said he didn't compose character music themes like how he did for other Final Fantasy games. Its pointless when only Squall and Rinoa push the plot.

Ah, fair. I haven't been to the deep sea research center yet as it looks very, very, very difficult; especially without looking up guides for crafting powerful junctions.

I actually wouldn't mind the Rinoa/Squall thing being at the forefront but I honestly don't think it's done very well. I lost a lot of interest in them both as the game went on.

Again, gameplay is the saving grace for me. It's a lot of fun.
 
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Yumi

Member
I gave up on the cards once the space stuff startedbdue to frustration. Jist beat ultima
Ah, fair. I haven't been to the deep sea research center yet as it looks very, very, very difficult; especially without looking up guides for crafting powerful junctions.

I actually wouldn't mind the Rinoa/Squall thing being at the forefront but I honestly don't think it's done very well. I lost a lot of interest in them both as the game went on.

Again, gameplay is the saving grace for me. It's a lot of fun.
Agreed. It's so weird to me, cause as far as a final fantasy game goes the pace is very fast cramming in lots of memorable places and sequences/missions. So in fun to breeze though. But...

Rinoa and squalls relationship needed more time in the oven.

Quistis self conflict of being a failed instructor see no resolution and is barely a conflict and ends in disc 1.

Zells attachment to his hometown Balamb and his mom living there could have been explored more other than galbadia occupying it for a hot second where you have to find the sergeant. Wheres his dad? What if galbadia kidnapped or killed his mother and he seemed revenge?

Selfies ends with a small trip to trabia. Wheres her family? Wheres her anger?

Irvine ends disc one woth the sniper scene woth no reprecussions. He should look up to squall more or something kinda like amarant and zidane. Hes mostly just used as a talking piece for the orphange.storyline.

Just ideas and thinking out loud. Still one of my favorite final fantasys.
 

ROMhack

Member
I gave up on the cards once the space stuff startedbdue to frustration. Jist beat ultima

Agreed. It's so weird to me, cause as far as a final fantasy game goes the pace is very fast cramming in lots of memorable places and sequences/missions. So in fun to breeze though. But...

Rinoa and squalls relationship needed more time in the oven.

Quistis self conflict of being a failed instructor see no resolution and is barely a conflict and ends in disc 1.

Zells attachment to his hometown Balamb and his mom living there could have been explored more other than galbadia occupying it for a hot second where you have to find the sergeant. Wheres his dad? What if galbadia kidnapped or killed his mother and he seemed revenge?

Selfies ends with a small trip to trabia. Wheres her family? Wheres her anger?

Irvine ends disc one woth the sniper scene woth no reprecussions. He should look up to squall more or something kinda like amarant and zidane. Hes mostly just used as a talking piece for the orphange.storyline.

Just ideas and thinking out loud. Still one of my favorite final fantasys.

Irvine is the most undercooked character in any rpg I can remember. It feels like he shouldn't even be playable he's that insignificant.
 

Yumi

Member
Just looked up the dates and FF7 came out january 1997 and FF8 February 1999. Given only 2 years and how different 8 is from 7 i can see why the story development seems rushed.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Finished disc 3, just over 25 hours on the clock.

Zell is still level 9. Everyone else is somewhere between levels 11-14. I actually raised a few levels fighting cactuars and maxing out my GFs abilities.

Game is an absolute cakewalk when you keep your levels low.
 

Shifty

Member
Now that the September flood of good games is out of the way I guess it's about time I came back and mentioned that I finished FFVIII.

First mainline FF I've ever finished. I like it a lot.

In many ways it wasn't what I expected. I had a bit of a preconception going in, and now I've played it, I remember exactly why: I mentioned that my cousin showed me a little bit of FF8 back in the day, but he actually showed me the 'greatest hits' by loading up his last save at the end of each disc. I saw way more than I realised.

There was the intro, junctioning, triple triad, the missile base, the prison, gilgamesh, ultimecia castle, and probably even some side content that I didn't do in my own somewhat rushed playthrough.

It was absolutely mental at the time- crazy high quality FMV, actual story, gameplay systems that were totally alien to my young self, a huge open world you could fly around in an airship. Whoa man. Whoa. My N64 and Master System don't do any of this.

Gilgamesh in particular, ye gods. Between the cinematic animation and unprompted shift from what i (barely) understood as a 'battle' in this crazy 'turn-based' system to a cutscene, I didn't have a clue what I was looking at. And the idea that sometimes you just win and that's that? Mind blown, coolest thing ever.

I thought that's what Odin was when I first got him. Yeah. No. How goofy that it took ~19 years, months of subbing to FFXIV, and at last playing that one fight for me to figure out that the super cool badass auto summon that stuck in my head for all these years was Final Fantasy's biggest jobber. Fuck sake :goog_rofl:

I did think there would be more characterization for the main cast though. I was still pre-anime the first time I saw them, and the snapshots I experienced had me taking it as read that they were all deep, nuanced individuals with a vivid tapestry of background lore and personality. Because their designs were cool. Eh, kids are dumb.

Regardless of that, I enjoyed the plot. It was a little patchy here and there, particularly with the orphanage story beat which I initially assumed was timey wimey stuff with the past suddenly being changed by ellone or ultimecia in order to facilitate whatever, but I guess really was just the GF in the end.

I guess the Laguna stuff didn't work out as fancifully as I thought it would either, because you can't change the past and the power of friendship that was in our hearts all along is the real key, mister president.

I don't quite see the notion that it all goes to nonsense around disc 3 though. Maybe I've seen too many nonsensical anime plotlines over the years, but SPACE and traveling through compressed time to the big bad castle in the future seemed to be within expected margins for that kind of thing.

I gotta say though, I really dig this game from a mechanical standpoint. Yes, please do give me weird breakable systems that appear utterly arcane at first but are in fact fairly simple until you get into the real high level this-is-a-card-game-now fuckery. I love it.

I need to get on and play FFIX sooner or later, but I will absolutely be returning to the world of FFVIII in the future. Hopefully via OpenVIII if it gets into a nice playable state, but I want to do a proper full run without missing any GFs and actually seeing all the optional events they weaved in and out of the various plot states the main story goes through. I realised that I'd missed everything somewhere around fisherman's horizon, and big yikes at how-well hidden those extra scenes are.

Finished disc 3, just over 25 hours on the clock.

Zell is still level 9. Everyone else is somewhere between levels 11-14. I actually raised a few levels fighting cactuars and maxing out my GFs abilities.

Game is an absolute cakewalk when you keep your levels low.
Your playthrough sounds like the stuff of legends. I want to hear how hard you clown on the ultimecia castle content since that was a bit of a wake-up call for my casual run.

I think I finished with my main party of Squall / Quistis / Rinoa somewhere around level 30 after trying to card or escape most battles and draw fat stacks of as many spells as I could. Cleared out the entire castle, and phase 3 of the final boss was probably the hardest thing there, gimmickry aside. I beat the last phase on my first go, but man do these old school JRPGs have a way of building tension with multi stage no-save fights.
 
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Kokoloko85

Member
My 2nd completed RPG (after shining force 3 on the saturn) and I loved it. Probably my favourite in the series and one of my favourite games of all time. I just finished it again and love it. Maybe in 20 years we’ll get a remake
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Your playthrough sounds like the stuff of legends. I want to hear how hard you clown on the ultimecia castle content since that was a bit of a wake-up call for my casual run.
Haha I'll let you know. This is actually the first time I've ever done a low-level playthrough and I'm enjoying it immensely - to the point it almost feels like a whole new game. It's all about cards, drawing magic, running away, turning enemies into cards, etc. The majority of my "leveling up" has been playing cards (spreading the "All" rule everywhere) and getting tons upon tons of extra triple triad cards, then using the GF abilities to convert them into items which you then convert into high-level magics and junction to stats. Also, converting cards into items you need to upgrade your weapons to increase your base stats helps a lot too.

Most of the "mandatory" battles I've just had one designated character (Selphie, where possible) alive and everyone else dead. Because of that, she's level 14 but I haven't really used her at all outside of those mandatory battles or times when she's been required to be in my party. Also the no encounters cheat has obviously been a huge help otherwise I'd probably be at 40+ hours already.

I'm also only missing like 15 cards, and lots of the lower level cards I've got a stack of 100 I just haven't bothered refining.

Some of the bosses have been a bit interesting and a bit of a different challenge than the traditional playthrough tactics would dictate. Some of it's the same though, like the mobile suit 8 boss in Lunatic Pandora for example - his power move still takes all of your HP down to 1 then follows up with a powerful attack. Even though my guys are level 9-13, dude still had 40,000 HP and took a bit of time to overcome as my characters could only attack for about 1,000HP per hit. Thankfully with my powerful junctions I have a high strength stat and my guys all have 5k+ HP. When he wasn't using his special attack though, his regular attacks would only hit for about 150hp.

Most other boss battles though have been ridiculously easy, as I just sit there and draw a bunch of high level magic from them while they wail on me for 100HP per hit so they'll never do enough damage to even phase me. Lots of bosses I've killed with one hit of Renzokuken.

With most of disc four feeling like a giant boss rush mode, this should get interesting.
 

base

Banned
Just looked up the dates and FF7 came out january 1997 and FF8 February 1999. Given only 2 years and how different 8 is from 7 i can see why the story development seems rushed.
FF8 used the most advanced FMV and graphics techniques back at the time.
 
It's strange how you can still die with invincibility enabled. I got killed by a ruby dragon in the deep sea research centre when it used flare or meteor. Plus you can still get a game over from stop and petrify.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Getting Odin was a terrible choice I made, not sure what I was thinking.

Did the deep sea research facility to get the Eden GF, but there are a few screens where the no-encounters cheat doesn't work. I was able to "card" most of the enemies here no problem, but a few battles Odin swooped in a killed everything. I gained 7 levels (14 -> 21) as a result. Decided to save on a separate slot. Not a super-huge deal since I took my "B Team" party down. I should have killed Squall though then revived him before the boss battle.

So my final party will be Squall (level 21), Rinoa (level 13), and Selphie (level 11). I have all the GFs besides Tonberry (since that requires actually killing 20 monsters, huge exp) and all are maxed out. Have 100 of most of the big spells (meltdown, meteor, ultima, flare, etc) on my three mains. Everything junctioned and my low level characters still have nearly 8,000 HP. The Ultima Weapon boss battle was an absolute joke - 70k HP, I was doing nearly 8k damage per turn - so I don't expect to have any difficulties on the final boss.
 

Neff

Member
Don't know bout you guys but I'm 3 hours in and I'm surprised how well this still plays.
And it looks like it's belongs between IX and X visually thanks to the updates which helps.
But man this is what I've been missing.
This is my Final Fantasy

I feel like I enjoyed my latest run last week more than ever. It holds up superbly.

Incredible visuals, amazing music, a sincere and satisfying (if flawed) story, and god damn the game's many systems are ridiculously addictive and fun.

I actually hated it the first time I played it (ie BADLY, and without finishing it), but it's just gotten better and better over the years.
 
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