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[jon bones]

good, good... excellent.... thank you

 

[Durante]

Can I go back there later to get it or am I stuffed?

While I can't be sure (I just played that part myself not too long ago), considering the general layout of the game I'd consider it incredibly unlikely that you get to revisit that area. But I think it was just an Aqua Ring, and I already have 2 of those.

 

[Empty]

Graphical representations of RPG damage systems tickle my nerd areas quite something, awesome job Durante, that's pretty much the curve i've experienced too.

 

[kyo_daikun]

While I can't be sure (I just played that part myself not too long ago), considering the general layout of the game I'd consider it incredibly unlikely that you get to revisit that area. But I think it was just an Aqua Ring, and I already have 2 of those.

Ah thats fine then, as long as it was nothing important I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[BigBlackGamer]

Sooooo tired of two person teams.

Soooo tired...

amen. sadly it goes on for a long ass time.

 

[zero margin]

Sooooo tired of two person teams.

Soooo tired...

Yeah, be nice to actually just destroy some enemies for once instead of surviving.

 

[mjemirzian]

Based on my observation, it's like this:
The slower the decrease already is, the less effect additional commando hits will have (logarithmic decay probably). I'm less sure on whether the speed increases linearly or nonlinearly (with the distance from the top speed) though.

It doesn't work that way. There's only one speed buff a com/sab can apply to the decline rate. More than one hit won't make it slow down any further.

If you are serious about the games mechanics see this guide here, which is taken directly from the Ultimania guide.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/file/928790/59246

 

[Teknoman]

It effectively is magic. The AI will use it when physical attacks are non-effective.

Yeah it works nicely if you have commando set, yet melee attacks are halved or something.

 

[djtiesto]

Really liking the music, it lacks the sweeping grandiosness of other FF games (especially 12's Sakimoto soundtrack), but it's nice and catchy. The songs also go on for a long time without repeating, which is nice in these long-ass dungeons. The music when you are

Spoiler

riding on the mech, and the song for the junk processing plant

in Ch 4 are awesome!

And oh man, the fight with

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Odin

was hard, took me many tries.

 

[Durante]

It doesn't work that way. There's only one speed buff a com/sab can apply to the decline rate. More than one hit won't make it slow down any further.

If you are serious about the games mechanics see this guide here, which is taken directly from the Ultimania guide.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/file/928790/59246

I am very serious about game mechanics, so I clicked that link, but in the "Chain & Break" section it only says "Coming Soon". Did you paste the wrong link?

 

[Fuu]

I got lucky with that platform with 2 treasures but yeah, I don't remember them having anything particularly useful.

Edit: I was just googling wikis for upgrades and I glanced at a huge spoiler for one of the characters, so pissed.

Damn, I hate this. I remember searching for some Bioshock info months ago and a jerk screamed the biggest spoiler in the game in a comments section.

Sooooo tired of two person teams.

Soooo tired...

Same. I don't even care about who's in the party or who's the leader, I just want to manage 3 characters.

 

[kyo_daikun]

I got lucky with that platform with 2 treasures but yeah, I don't remember them having anything particularly useful.

Yeah its my own fault for just being lazy, I saw them instantly I just wanted to push on with the story and the enemies in that area were pretty annoying so I had lost patience really.

 

[Teknoman]

I`m guessing it`s useful for the weakness of the ennemies...I started hitting R1 more last evening to see the weakness,so if I saw Water as the weakness,I manually selected Water 3 times,instead of the auto that did,for example,Aero,water,spark...maybe this will help in specific fights...

Go full on ravager after getting the enemy in stagger if its only weak against magic elemental attacks then?

 

[Hazimov]

The frame-rate is shitty as [...] in the City of Dreams :| (360 version)

Although I'm enjoying it, I'm quite disappointed by the game's linearity and simplicity.

I guess this slide from Lion Head Studio's Fable 3 presentation in GDC2010 summarizes what path the RPG genre will eventually follow *sadface* *sadface*

 

[Synless]

Quick question. When you beat the game does it allow you to go back and do all the hunts you didn't get to earlier in the game?

 

[Zoe]

Quick question. When you beat the game does it allow you to go back and do all the hunts you didn't get to earlier in the game?

yes

 

[Durante]

I guess this slide from Lion Head Studio's Fable 3 presentation in GDC2010 summarizes what path the RPG genre will eventually follow

The funny thing is that FF13 is actually harder (IMHO) than any PS era FF before it. I wonder if that will turn out to be a bigger mainstream problem than the often cited linearity. I guess the retry feature does mitigate it somewhat.

 

[Synless]

yes

Cool, thanks!

 

[Zoe]

The funny thing is that FF13 is actually harder (IMHO) than any PS era FF before it. I wonder if that will turn out to be a bigger mainstream problem than the often cited linearity. I guess the retry feature does mitigate it somewhat.

That's what I've been saying even though some of the other importers scoff at that.

 

[mjemirzian]

The frame-rate is shitty as [...] in the City of Dreams :| (360 version)

Although I'm enjoying it, I'm quite disappointed by the game's linearity and simplicity.

I guess this slide from Lion Head Studio's Fable 3 presentation in GDC2010 summarizes what path the RPG genre will eventually follow *sadface* *sadface*

hmm I don't agree with calling RPGs 'for core gamers'.. the traditional RPG genre is highly casual. There's no scoring system in all but one or two games. Almost every challenge can be overcome by mindless grinding. The lack of skill differentiation and ability for anyone with enough patience to complete an RPG makes the genre accessible to a huge casual audience.

Compare that to genres like Cave shmups, fighting games, action games, FPS, etc. all of which are much more competitive, and skill oriented, requiring hardcore hours of practice for years or more to master. This tends to keep casual players far away.

 

[Dega]

I honestly didn't find the game all that hard. I can see why some would say that though considering you may have to shift a lot.

 

[Durante]

I honestly didn't find the game all that hard. I can see why some would say that though considering you may have to shift a lot.

It's not hard on an absolute scale, but I don't think you can argue that it isn't hard on the Final Fantasy scale.

 

[LiK]

I honestly didn't find the game all that hard. I can see why some would say that though considering you may have to shift a lot.

Same, I customized all my Paradigms and constantly shift during battle. It's been a cakewalk so far. Still looking for that killer boss that ppl here said raped them.

 

[Teknoman]

That's what I've been saying even though some of the other importers scoff at that.

Im with you there, i've come close to dying even in normal fights. You cant just X/A bash through most fights unless you're 100% certain you can win. I wouldnt say hard...just challenging. Its nothing you cant get by, just have to keep track of everything.

 

[Tamanon]

I don't think it's necessarily hard, but it's the first battle system where you actually have to pay attention in a long while. Especially if you zone out a bit, you're going to die.

 

[kyo_daikun]

Same, I customized all my Paradigms and constantly shift during battle. It's been a cakewalk so far. Still looking for that killer boss that ppl here said raped them.

Yeah not had too many problems so far, I thought the chapter 6 boss was going to spank me but breezed through it.

I would say FF12 has been the hardest FF of the playstation titles (never really understood all the gambits and stuff)

 

[polyh3dron]

Same, I customized all my Paradigms and constantly shift during battle. It's been a cakewalk so far. Still looking for that killer boss that ppl here said raped them.

The first one that did that to me was Odin. It drove my brother to the brink of insanity too until I told him to make some custom paradigms and switch between them like crazy.

 

[Skilletor]

I honestly didn't find the game all that hard. I can see why some would say that though considering you may have to shift a lot.

Do you have a larger version of this?

 

[CruxisMana]

The first one that did that to me was Odin. It drove my brother to the brink of insanity too until I told him to make some custom paradigms and switch between them like crazy.

My initial thought was that the game would automatically create the most necessary paradigms, but it really doesn't.

 

[theMrCravens]

I would say FF12 has been the hardest FF of the playstation titles (never really understood all the gambits and stuff)

If you play 12 normally without grinding and just ran through the main storyline (with only a few hunts), it is a pretty brutal game. Some enemies and bosses midway will destroy you.

 

[Castor Krieg]

hmm I don't agree with calling RPGs 'for core gamers'.. the traditional RPG genre is highly casual. There's no scoring system in all but one or two games. Almost every challenge can be overcome by mindless grinding. The lack of skill differentiation and ability for anyone with enough patience to complete an RPG makes the genre accessible to a huge casual audience.

You must be kidding. WoW is the same, to be successful you just grind in raid for equipment. I played it for 5 years, you have no idea how casuals whine about not getting epics for nothing. It's not about skill, Molyneux (who is an idiot btw) is saying that playing games is hard for casuals, better to just give them 1-button pad to skip to the end.

Yes, FFXIII is one of the harder ones, ffs I'm in Chapter 12 and some enemies are insane.

 

[neojubei]

Same, I customized all my Paradigms and constantly shift during battle. It's been a cakewalk so far. Still looking for that killer boss that ppl here said raped them.

which chapter are you on?

 

[Fuu]

Do you have a larger version of this?

http://www.dragon-tear.net/images/bof3/TMP14.jpg

 

[LiK]

The first one that did that to me was Odin. It drove my brother to the brink of insanity too until I told him to make some custom paradigms and switch between them like crazy.

I see, no prob here with him. Got him first try with 5 stars. The next 3 or so bosses that I fought were not hard either. I await getting my ass spanked soon.

which chapter are you on?

already told you, i'm at

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Palumpolum

now.

 

[Dega]

Do you have a larger version of this?

PM

 

[kyo_daikun]

If you play 12 normally without grinding and just ran through the main storyline (with only a few hunts), it is a pretty brutal game. Some enemies and bosses midway will destroy you.

Pretty much what happened to me, I tried to grind but it just wasn't happening.

I asked a few pages back but didn't see an answer, is the game limited to 1 eidolon per character or are their secret ones you can unlock through side quests?

 

[Hyunkel6]

There's this enemy

Spoiler

("falcon motobike" I think)

in chapter 7 that's raping my party with "gatling gun". I know I can easily sneak by it, but I defeated every enemy until now. Any tips?

 

[Tamanon]

There's this enemy

Spoiler

("falcon motobike" I think)

in chapter 7 that's raping my party with "gatling gun". I know I can easily sneak by it, but I defeated every enemy until now. Any tips?

I don't think you're supposed to be able to defeat it....

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the first time

 

[jjasper]

People have trouble with

Spoiler

Odin?

 

[Durante]

There's this enemy

Spoiler

("falcon motobike" I think)

in chapter 7 that's raping my party with "gatling gun". I know I can easily sneak by it, but I defeated every enemy until now. Any tips?

So, the first

Spoiler

Falco Velocycle

you encounter in Chapter 7, when you have just

Spoiler

Lightning and Hope

, I assume it's intended to be skipped? I needed 3 tries to barely defeat it (with 5 stars though), and it's just a normal enemy :lol

I managed to beat it by staggering it before it gets to use the gatling gun skill.

 

[Castor Krieg]

I don't think you're supposed to be able to defeat it....

Spoiler

the first time

It is easy, use Sentinel when he is about to launch the attack. That enemy is there to teach you how to use a Sentinel

 

[Jeels]

People have trouble with

Spoiler

Odin?

apaprently thats when a lot of people stopped playing, i beat him on my second try...but it was fun as heck

 

[kyo_daikun]

People have trouble with

Spoiler

Odin?

Yeah, trick is to switch constantly between healing with lightning and keeping a big chain score going on odin, so use commando then change lightning to a medic while Hope is still hitting him then change back, rinse and repeat and hope you get the bar up.

I cant beleive people gave up on the game because of that one fight, I did it on the fourth go or something and it was pretty fun...

 

[slayn]

There's this enemy

Spoiler

("falcon motobike" I think)

in chapter 7 that's raping my party with "gatling gun". I know I can easily sneak by it, but I defeated every enemy until now. Any tips?

I was able to kill those things simply by killing them as fast as possible and hoping gatling gun doesn't go off. I had put basically all of my resources into lightning's sword at that point so maybe that is why I was able to do it.

I don't think that attack is survivable at that point. Only Sentinals can survive gatling gun.

 

[Durante]

It is easy, use Sentinel when he is about to launch the attack. That enemy is there to teach you how to use a Sentinel

This is before you get Sentinel, with just Lightning and Hope in the party.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

It's really annoying that characters can only use weapons in Commando role. It looks so stupid to have them holding weapons that they never use.

 

[kyo_daikun]

I was able to kill those things simply by killing them as fast as possible and hoping gatling gun doesn't go off. I had put basically all of my resources into lightning's sword at that point so maybe that is why I was able to do it.

I don't think that attack is survivable at that point. Only Sentinals can survive gatling gun.

Its not survivable but it only hits one character so just be ready with a phoenix down when he does it (gives plenty of warning) and just revive and carry on pummeling it.

 

[Sarye]

I don't think you're supposed to be able to defeat it....

Spoiler

the first time

I took it down pretty easily. I used COM/SYN first until I have protect on for both characters then switched to COM/RAV and then work on building up the stagger bar, switching to COM/MED to heal. Once staggered, it'll go down.

 

[Zoe]

I asked a few pages back but didn't see an answer, is the game limited to 1 eidolon per character or are their secret ones you can unlock through side quests?

Just the one.

 

[Einbroch]

It's really annoying that characters can only use weapons in Commando role. It looks so stupid to have them holding weapons that they never use.

Eh, MMOs and any RPG with casters do this.

Why would you attack with a stick when you can make things go boom?