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Thrakier said:
holy shit yes. easily the worst ship dungeon ever! The corridors are boring to look at, and they're populated with the same pathetically easy guards and drones everywhere! This honestly feels like some cheap DLC that some fourth rate RPG released on XBL for 200 ms points.
This is the worst chapter by far. And that's saying something! This slog through the first 10 chapters to hopefully hit this pinnacle in chapter 11 feels like i'm participating in The Passion or something. This is how Jesus felt wearing the crown of thorns!
Chapter 11 is like the resurrection. Or just a cold splash of water to wake one up from the slumber of the glazed eye march.
rusashi said:
Those are some of the BS enemy groups I was saying appear in the late-game, lol.
I tried a couple and got through just fine, but at some point I see even more annoying enemies paired together, then just said "screw this game" and avoided almost everything I could from that point on.
Have fun with the final dungeon. :lol
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The
is a huge disappointment considering how badass it looks from the outside.
Palamecia
RPGCrazied
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man.. chapter 12, was doing great.. even got past
The proudcloud, but right after him a fukin adamnatise! those huge things from pulse. needless to say I pretty much got owned. 
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Rpgmonkey said:
I did the same thing, even though they offer high amounts of CP for those fights, I was just getting tired of the fights and was ready to get to the conclusion of the story, though the Sanctum soldiers never get old fighting.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
WTF IMO the ship is one of the better looking areas in the game... the outdoor sections are awesome looking! I think you're all just hating because of the suffocating linear hell you've been subjected to for 20 hours. Why so mad? :lolAmir0x said:
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just got control of my battle team, either late chapter 9 or the very start of chapter 10, I'm not sure yet.
Loving this game. It's the perfect switch my mind off and 'upgrade' games I can play for hours into the night after a non-stop day (and night) of uni life.
it's weird, I can see how everything being rolled out slowly would annoy most people, but man, the feeling of unlocking party control after all this time sort of felt oddly right. I can't quite articulate it correctly.
The best way I can say it is that I 'get' this game. I see what they were trying to do and I'm responding to it, I guess.
Loving this game. It's the perfect switch my mind off and 'upgrade' games I can play for hours into the night after a non-stop day (and night) of uni life.
it's weird, I can see how everything being rolled out slowly would annoy most people, but man, the feeling of unlocking party control after all this time sort of felt oddly right. I can't quite articulate it correctly.
The best way I can say it is that I 'get' this game. I see what they were trying to do and I'm responding to it, I guess.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Wait, Amir0x is playing the game? I thought he wasn't going to since he knew it wasn't for him.. or am I completely wrong. Still eager to hear yours thoughts on all of it.
RPGCrazied
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any tips on that guy?
BocoDragon said:
I seriously cannot possibly imagine anyone designing a worse RPG dungeon than this ship. I am being completely serious. There were tons of other linear chapters so far (read: every single one) that I didn't single out because they still looked pretty most of the time in their own way.
The ship is just a mess of design. Most of the time, it's nonsensically laid out linear landing docks followed by endless red hallways of repeating textures everywhere. And to top it off, most of the time you have to hear a goddamn alarm. WOOO WOOO WOOO FUCK YOU SHUT OFF! And the enemies are so dull and it's fucking palette swap heaven everywhere.
I would not pay 200ms points for this dungeon if it was downloadable.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
worldrevolution said:
Dude.. we won. You missed the whole thing. He played the game, loved it... there was a teary post where he broke down crying and apologizing and screaming "I LOVE ANIME! I LOVE NOMURA!".
BocoDragon said:
I thought it started off cool and got progressively worse as it went on.
Chapter felt like it was never going to end sometimes.
RPGCrazied said:
The Adamanchelid?
Just have MED/SAB/SYN. Switch to COM/RAV/RAV when you have enough (de)buffs on, especially slow and haste. Heal when necessary.
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Amir0x said:
lol, well at least you arent going against Flanitors with alarms on their head doing Rescue Me while in battle too! lol; Alarms outta battle and alarms in battle, extremely annoying, lol.
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RPGCrazied said:
You should be able to beat the adramalachelid (sp) just by using debuffs, buffs on yoruself and relentless assault (with constant healing). I didnt attempt the other turtle one thats just chilling in the corner in the level.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think it's about as good as the other level designs pre-Pulse... which is not say, it's not. Zig zags, straight lines... whatever, it's all the same.Amir0x said:
I did particularly like the art when you were on the outside sections of the level.. so in that sense I liked it more than, say, Vile Peaks. Joking aside, I do think it's the weight of all the other shitty linearity that's making you take it out on the Palamecia- that level isn't worse in particular IMO... not that I blame you.
I enjoy aspects of this game. The level design for Chapter 1-10 is not one of them.
Just finished the game in about 50 hours.
I definetly enjoyed it, graphics and fighting system are top notch. I don't think the main issue with the game is linearity but the absence of towns/villages where you can break the continous flow of fight-> story cutscene-> an other fight. Ok this is how action adventure and fps games work but this is a 50 hours RPG. It was just a bad design choice maybe forced by a troubled and prolonged development like the team hinted at.
Btw I'd like to discuss about the plot....as always japanese story are not that clear :lol
I definetly enjoyed it, graphics and fighting system are top notch. I don't think the main issue with the game is linearity but the absence of towns/villages where you can break the continous flow of fight-> story cutscene-> an other fight. Ok this is how action adventure and fps games work but this is a 50 hours RPG. It was just a bad design choice maybe forced by a troubled and prolonged development like the team hinted at.
Btw I'd like to discuss about the plot....as always japanese story are not that clear :lol
What I don't get is why the Cocoon Fal'Cies long for Cocoon destruction? It seems like Orphan just wants to die because it prefers death to life :lol while Baldanders wants the world to be recreated by the goddess but why? They want the goddess to give fal'Cies the freedom that she gave to the human race? How can he be so sure of what the goddess is gonna do if Coccoon gets destroyed?
The reason behind the main villain doings should be explained more convincingly by the game....
The actual Focus of Lightning and crew was to destroy the Coccoon Fal'Cies and save Coccon from falling on Pulse by summoning Ragnarok, right? So in that sense Pulse Fal'Cie Anima knew what was gonna happen?
Why the original war between Pulse and Coccoon started in first place? The goddess prevented Fang from destroying Coccoon?
The reason behind the main villain doings should be explained more convincingly by the game....
The actual Focus of Lightning and crew was to destroy the Coccoon Fal'Cies and save Coccon from falling on Pulse by summoning Ragnarok, right? So in that sense Pulse Fal'Cie Anima knew what was gonna happen?
Why the original war between Pulse and Coccoon started in first place? The goddess prevented Fang from destroying Coccoon?
Just got to Gran Pulse. Fuck why the hell isn't this the majority of the game instead of it being accessible 30 freaking hours into the game. You should only be in Cocoon maybe the first ten hours or so. Gran Pulse has such a great sense of mystery to it that I just want to run around and explore everything. Fuck Square you stupid sons of bitches. Every piece of DLC you have planned for FFXIII better take place exclusively on Gran Pulse.
BocoDragon said:
you're always trying to tell me where you think my opinion is coming from
BOCODRAGON, I know why I feel the way I do! It's not because of some pent up anger about the linearity - I've expressed my feelings on that nonstop for days and weeks! I have no need to "release" anything!
It really IS just because I think the ship dungeon is abysmally designed. :lol
I've even given you extremely specific reason why this dungeon is cumulatively the worst of all so far...
1. Really easy unfun palette swapped soldiers everywhere
2. Boring endless Red hallways with no pleasing visual aesthetic to speak of/repeating texture hell
3. Lame nonsensical linear landing strips that totally kill any suspension of disbelief. Like even in this universe a ship would be designed with features like this. Ridiculous!
4. Music = Boring
5. ALARM ALARM ALARM FUCK YOU G(@&*@*&@&*
I don't need to list 6. LINEAR, because that applies to everywhere in this game.
True, Vile Peaks is also a bad dungeon, but compared to this ship, it's like the Water Temple in Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
I think these Adamantoises are going to drive me insane.
Death seemingly works once in a blue moon, and when trying to fight it normally, my medics are too fucking stupid to actually heal the party to full health. When playing as the medic, the Commando person always decides to target any body part at random and the Saboteur always likes to use hodge-podge combinations of debuffs rather than just sticking with one and switching when it lands. I really, really miss gambits at this point.
Death seemingly works once in a blue moon, and when trying to fight it normally, my medics are too fucking stupid to actually heal the party to full health. When playing as the medic, the Commando person always decides to target any body part at random and the Saboteur always likes to use hodge-podge combinations of debuffs rather than just sticking with one and switching when it lands. I really, really miss gambits at this point.
Crash Station
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I love the chapter 9 ship design :/
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mibm said:
Oh crap, If they NamcoBandai'ed the game and sold gold DLC, I'd buy it. :lol
MechaX said:
Have you seen the strategy videos?
They're very effective but almost contingent on having the Genji Glove.
george_us said:
I think there should have been a good mix of the two throughout the game, with you being able to visit optional areas of Cocoon later on.
You start off in a few Cocoon sections, then go to Pulse, then jump back up to Cocoon, eventually getting an airship. You can then fly back and forth between Cocoon and Pulse at will, and you'd be able to visit new areas on Cocoon and Pulse.
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Amir0x said:
Yeah, it does, but I mean I even like the dungeon design but those rarely bother me in any game. Dungeon length on the other hand is something I'm very critical about.
onken
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MechaX said:
How far along is your CP development? They're fairly easy to kill without death-spam/support smoke fairly soon. Use Fang as your main, her high wind technique (or whatever it's called) is invaluable. Don't forget Genji gloves.
SYN/SYN/MED (apply buffs, especially haste and brave)
COM/RAV/MED (go after a leg)
RAV/RAV/MED (stagger the leg)
COM/RAV/MED (take leg out using high wind, go after the other leg)
RAV/RAV/MED (stagger the other leg)
COM/RAV/MED (take out the other leg, wait for it to fall over)
SAB/SAB/SAB (make sure weak, deprotect, deshell sticks)
RAV/RAV/RAV (get the stagger bar up to ~950%)
COM/COM/COM (as long as you're buffed up you should kill it, you can try using high wind again towards the end if your stagger bar is about to run out)
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I liked the design in Chapter 9 a lot, too. I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. It wasn't the best area in the game or anything, but it certainly wasn't a bad area.
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Amir0x said:
I actually loved it mainly because of being out in the open sky. I was indifferent about the hallways and the alarm was annoying as hell, but just looking out at the sky to see a bunch of monsters, airships, and even parts of Pules (I think) was quite breath taking.
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Could you give a bit more detail about what you think would be an advisable setup for doing this? Which other two characters would be a good idea, any particular equipment, et cetera. I've maxed out the three main roles with everyone and am decently far along (at the 21,000 CP cost tier) in the secondary roles, and any method for taking these guys out that doesn't involve grinding for TP between battles would be invaluable.onken said:
Elios83 said:
-Cocoon's fal'Cie were created by Lindze, a "fallen" God. Lindze is probably Barthandelus himself. Barthandelus just wanted the Maker to come back and rebuild the world because he thought the world had become too much of a mess to handle.
-Nope. Anima's Focus for the main characters was indeed to destroy Cocoon. The purpose of Lightning, Snow, Sazh and Hope was to get the Chosen, Vanille and Fang, to Orphan. Vanille and Fang's destiny was to destroy Orphan and Cocoon by becoming Ragnarok. In the ending, it just happened that Vanille and Fang "destroyed" Cocoon in their own way by crystallizing it and preventing the death of everyone inside.
-The original War of Transgression started when Cocoon, as its population grew to unsustainable levels, began to loot stuff from Pulse and, as it would be expected, people from Pulse tried to fight back against this Cocoon invasion. Fang and Vanille became l'Cie during this period.
-Fang's Ragnarok failed to destroy Cocoon because it was an incomplete Ragnarok. Ragnarok, the Beast capable of actually destroying Cocoon and Orphan, can only be "summoned" by Fang and Vanille together.
-Nope. Anima's Focus for the main characters was indeed to destroy Cocoon. The purpose of Lightning, Snow, Sazh and Hope was to get the Chosen, Vanille and Fang, to Orphan. Vanille and Fang's destiny was to destroy Orphan and Cocoon by becoming Ragnarok. In the ending, it just happened that Vanille and Fang "destroyed" Cocoon in their own way by crystallizing it and preventing the death of everyone inside.
-The original War of Transgression started when Cocoon, as its population grew to unsustainable levels, began to loot stuff from Pulse and, as it would be expected, people from Pulse tried to fight back against this Cocoon invasion. Fang and Vanille became l'Cie during this period.
-Fang's Ragnarok failed to destroy Cocoon because it was an incomplete Ragnarok. Ragnarok, the Beast capable of actually destroying Cocoon and Orphan, can only be "summoned" by Fang and Vanille together.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
If you're trying to argue that with the comparison of this one level compared to the others, which I perceive to all be about the same (awful), one is much worse than the others... what else can I say but "I guess the game has led you to madness." it's a comment in jest, not some psychological profile of Amirox. Like I care that much about you and your decision making process. :lolAmir0x said:
Now you backed up your opinion with a series of arguments.. so great. I get your point.
Random question that I saw asked in the thread days ago but I can't remember the answer and I can't find it right now: is there any inherent advantage to mixing different types of attacks like the AI does? As in, instead of using sparkstrike>sparkstrike>sparkstrike>sparkstrike I go for thunder>sparkstrike>thunder>sparkstrike?
Fuu said:
As far as I know, no there isn't. AI just does that because both moves are viable, and it's less boring than doing the same thing all the time?
However, as a user (for the one character you can control), it may be worth using attacks with low "recoil" (can't think of the real word right now), as in, attacks where the animation is quicker, and so there is less downtime. For example, alternating the strikes and casting skills seems to take longer than just simply using all strikes or all casts, because the animations have to alternate. So there may actually be a benefit to using all of one, rather than mixing them up, but the AI doesn't take this into account and just uses both because elementally for that monster, both are viable.
At least, that's what I think.
7Th said:
Thank you!
Did you get those infos on the official guide or it's your interpretation?
The game is really open on a few themes.
BTW:
The fact Barthandelus or Baldanders like he's called in the european version, wants the goddess to recreate the world because it's a mess sounds a bit weak as a motivation moreover he can't know if and how the goddess would recreate the world.
In the pre-ending cutscenes it seems the fal'Cies long for freedom, because they are born to do one thing and they aren't free like humans. Maybe they want to reunite with the creator and become free.
About the focus, yeah it could be that Anima just wanted the l'Cies to destroy Coccoon so Baldanders said the truth since the beginning. But it would be more interesting if their focus actually was to take Orphan/Eden/Baldanders down and then using Ragnarok to save the people inside Coccoon which couldn't float anymore without its fal'Cies. It seems open to interpretation.
Also it's really fascinating that Fang alone could only make an incomplete Ragnarok, but in that case shouldn't Vanille be a Cieth? She didn't take part in that during the original war so she didn't complete her focus. In the archive section the game also says that the goddess herself took the strength out of Ragnarok thus saving Coccoon.
In the pre-ending cutscenes it seems the fal'Cies long for freedom, because they are born to do one thing and they aren't free like humans. Maybe they want to reunite with the creator and become free.
About the focus, yeah it could be that Anima just wanted the l'Cies to destroy Coccoon so Baldanders said the truth since the beginning. But it would be more interesting if their focus actually was to take Orphan/Eden/Baldanders down and then using Ragnarok to save the people inside Coccoon which couldn't float anymore without its fal'Cies. It seems open to interpretation.
Also it's really fascinating that Fang alone could only make an incomplete Ragnarok, but in that case shouldn't Vanille be a Cieth? She didn't take part in that during the original war so she didn't complete her focus. In the archive section the game also says that the goddess herself took the strength out of Ragnarok thus saving Coccoon.
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jiien said:
Maybe just cast haste and avoid the problem. I cant recall if it increased the speed at which they cast and used the skill as well.
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I actually think the dungeon of 10 was worse than 9. It was WAY too boring. Damn those culturally insensitive birds.
I must be on a roll if I've not had a problem with any boss/mini-boss for the last few chapters (7-10).
I must be on a roll if I've not had a problem with any boss/mini-boss for the last few chapters (7-10).
MechaX said:
The only things that affect Death accuracy are
other debuffs with icons active (flat +1%) and role bonuses (+40% for level 5, +12% for each other J at level 5, lower returns for lower levels.) So at best you'll have a 1.64% chance to land it, plus 1.64% per other debuff active, for a total of 14.76% with Deprote/Deshell/Debrave/Defaith/Weak/Heavy/Slow/Bio, assuming it's weak to none of those.
Usually, to save time, I start the battle JEJ since the party members are gone when the summon's out anyway and immediately after summon I have Vanille auto-attack three times, canceling as soon as the icon appears, to stick Deprote/Deshell/Weak. This lets me start spamming Death with about 30,000 points left on Hecatoncheires. Then as soon as my enhancer gets Haste back up, switch to JJJ for that last 12% boost.
Usually, to save time, I start the battle JEJ since the party members are gone when the summon's out anyway and immediately after summon I have Vanille auto-attack three times, canceling as soon as the icon appears, to stick Deprote/Deshell/Weak. This lets me start spamming Death with about 30,000 points left on Hecatoncheires. Then as soon as my enhancer gets Haste back up, switch to JJJ for that last 12% boost.
Diebuster said:Beat. The amount of bullshit he pulled in that fight was fucking ridiculous. Holy shit. Having to start over after getting Doomed was not pleasant.Cid
Man the more I read this thread the more I realize how lucky I was or something against him, he posed no trouble for me and killed him fairly quickly.
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Amir0x said:
The story got really good starting in Chapter 7. And yes, Chapter 9 really dragged on way too long. But then at the end,
Pope Fal'cie acts as your friendly neighborhood plot explainer and explains the whole plot!
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