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Final Fantasy XIII |OT|
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DownLikeBCPowder
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I feel like there is an entire area I haven't been to. I haven't come in contact at all with missions 11-19.. hmm.
jvalioli said:
haha, i'm trying to finish chapter 11, i figured i'd just leave the open mission area, fight a boss or maybe 2, and be done with it, but man it goes on for a long time. i think i'm finally at chapter 12 now though
just beat the old man falcie again
Magnus said:
there is a lot of that in chapter 11. the difficulty is not linear at all. i got very annoyed at a couple parts, and eventually i just had to grind out my characters to power through it.
Okay, finally done with the post game and essentially done with this entire game (Yeah, I could try 5-staring everything or getting every ultimate weapon, but fuck that noise: I don't want to see another Adamantoise ever again). It kinda left a bad taste in my mouth, because at a certain point of smooth sailing with the missions, you hit a brick wall at full speed. At this wall, Square essentially tells you, "GRIND THESE TURTLES FOR 10 HOURS" in order to have a ghost of a chance against the other missions. I don't know what Square was thinking when they decided to have one enemy be the only halfway decent source of income (and getting the ultimate weapons), and then have the enemy only drop said source occasionally.
And even once you've committed more turtle murder than the Mario Bros, the final optional fights aren't even that great. Most often than not, it's just suped up palette swipes with increasingly bullshit attacks (hey guys,
). Mission 62 was the only one that felt like a fun challenge and made good use of not only Paradigm switching, but also creating good roles and making your away around AOE attacks. Instead, the final enemy is just a thing that you debuff to high hell like almost every single boss here.
Yeah... pretty crappy post game, especially for an FF game. Oh well, time to gear up for some Megami Tensei goodness on Tuesday.
And even once you've committed more turtle murder than the Mario Bros, the final optional fights aren't even that great. Most often than not, it's just suped up palette swipes with increasingly bullshit attacks (hey guys,
let's have the player fight MORE Adamantoises, only this time, we'll replace every single one with a 16 million HP version! and it casts an attack that does double your max HP at the start of the round!
Yeah... pretty crappy post game, especially for an FF game. Oh well, time to gear up for some Megami Tensei goodness on Tuesday.
Vorg
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Are you guys really enjoying this? I'm only on chapter 4 and I'm ready to quit. The repetition is really testing my good will toward this series' usual quality. That and the fact that I know it will be the same for another 20 or so hours.
I'm a fan, but so far I'm baffled by the fact that this game bears the Final Fantasy name at all. And it's a numbered entry, ffs. Where is all the Final Fantasy stuff o_o? Isn't it odd that I've been playing FFIV for the first time and enjoying the experience a lot more?
I'm a fan, but so far I'm baffled by the fact that this game bears the Final Fantasy name at all. And it's a numbered entry, ffs. Where is all the Final Fantasy stuff o_o? Isn't it odd that I've been playing FFIV for the first time and enjoying the experience a lot more?
FateBreaker
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Shadow780 said:
Fire him. Some of the dialogue is just...honestly the worst in the series. The flow is so-so, and the story's plot twists are...cliche and bad. There were a few good spots, but eh.
But the CONCEPT to the game is fantastic, and that would make sense if Nojima was in charge of that. Now if he could just do the whole script next time...
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MechaX said:
...you complain about grinding... yet you end your post with wanting to play Megami Tensei?
MechaX said:
That's one of the main reasons why I didn't like the Eidolon fights at all. They all pulled this crap on me.
BocoDragon said:
If several parts of XIII's design were less restrictive, each chapter (particularly 1-10) had a unique design and format to them, and the first ten chapters had more to do, I'd easily place it above X.
FTWer said:
You know, I'll give you that Megami Tensei has some grinding (well, Persona 2 does. Persona 3 doesn't, 4 didn't, Nocturne did at times even though demon set-ups were pretty important, DDS1-2 didn't unless you were going for their optional bosses, Raidou 1 and 2 certainly didn't and didn't need it, SMT I can be easily broken by Sleep bullets, SMT 2 actually did at some parts, never played If, the first Devil Summoner, or Souls Hackers, and Devil Survivor required about an hour's grind on the last day of the hardest route... am I missing anything?).
Of course, you missed the problem being a combination of grinding off of this one enemy for everything that is important, in which that "important" thing that is the key to your growth is dropped when the game feels like it, then yes. I do complain about FFXIII's post-game grinding and look forward to a Megami Tensei game.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Himuro said:
Final Fantasy XIII doesn't require any grinding at all, though. It just requires skill and intelligent use of your paradigms. At the point I'm at (Chapter 11), every boss I've been defeated by I've been able to win just by trying over a couple of times and being more intelligent about how I go about the battle.
DownLikeBCPowder
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XIII SO doesn't require grinding unless you're talking about endgame (post last boss) stuff.
A fairly easy and straightforward game - just use your paradigms.
A fairly easy and straightforward game - just use your paradigms.
dreamer3kx
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Quick question, Gran pulse, do you discover new missions by progressing through the main story line guide, I cant find anymore missions, I beat around ten of them.
Zoe
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Himuro said:
For me, whether the grinding is bearable or not is dependent upon the battle system. DQ just gets old to me while X, XII, and XIII all had some way to mix things up.
I tried playing FFII a couple of weeks ago and, my god, that was painful even in just the first few hours.
dreamer3kx said:
Did you go back to home base?
DimmuBurgerKing
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Himuro said:
To be fair, you can easily finish the game without any grinding whatsoever. I didn't even bother to upgrade any of my weapons until after the credits rolled. FF13 only becomes "grindy" if you're the type that has to complete absolutely every sidequest in the postgame - which, admittedly, I am. Overall, though, I've enjoyed the hell out of the game, even if it didn't dethrone DQ8 as my all-time favorite RPG.
Crash Station
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Kagari said:
Have faith in Nojima. The guy knows what he's doing.
dreamer3kx
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Zoe said:
Yes I finished those up, two or three there, correct? Should I continue with the story, Im just trying to do as many missions as I can for now but Im not sure.
dreamer3kx
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Zoe said:
Ok thanks, I thought I searched everywhere, guess not.
Jamesfrom818
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I'm just about done with the story portion of Chapter 11 and I just don't understand how this game took so long to make.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yup... the whole thing was spent on art assets.Jamesfrom818 said:
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Himuro said:
:lol
Funny you should mention that, since the game requires ZERO grinding for the story portion of the game. Every enemy & boss can be beaten with pure strategy & absolutely NO grinding!
Only the side missions require grinding as they should.
Who the hell wants the last side mission be something you can beat without effort.
Big Papa Husker
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Once you figured out the pattern he was pretty easy. I agree, when he started healing himself for 10k I was getting pretty annoyed and pissed. :lolOli said:
I have a question about weapons for Lightning. Right now I am using her as mostly a Commando then switching to Ravager to get the stagger bar up. What weapon would you recommend I use? I am using a LVL 11 Gladius, should I switch and/or what is the max level on it?
FTWer said:
As I said in my post (in which, you glossed over the other half of my argument being the combination of grinding with a complete mess of an economy in the game and decided to traipse straight into a Megami Tensei trolling attempt), the post-game is crappy because it represents a rather dire catch-22: You need to get materials to become more powerful. The only enemy that drops both a way to get a decent amount of gil and the means needed to get the ultimate weapons is this one enemy. This one enemy also happens to be vastly more powerful than the missions before hand to the point where the damage dealt jumps from 3,000 to 13,000. You have no sensible way to get stronger but to fight this enemy, so you have to use various work-arounds (Summon method, death method, etc). The ultimate weapons also cost 1.5-2 million gil and you're going to need at least three of them (and three of the Traphezohedron that the Adamantoise rarely drops), but the items dropped by the Adamantoise that you can sell only drops 30% of the time. The only other method of making gil involves farming two groups of enemies that drop one item a piece worth 15k. The item that the Adamantoise drops is 150k.
This isn't simply a problem of grinding, but an issue of poor balance and design (especially when you realize that the Adamantoise is harder than 3/4ths of the final set of missions anyway). The hoops you have to jump through here are vastly different than the little grinding you even have to do in Megami Tensei games.
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